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Post by ralphieparker on Jan 6, 2006 21:22:04 GMT -6
I have always used RT/LT for any Pro type formation and R/L for any Twins type formation then tag the alignment of the HB or Substituted WR(s). Have any of you used numbers, colors, animals, cars, . . . instead to indicate the formation in an effort to cut down the amount of words used? If you can give me the pros and cons. I believe in multiple formations with motion while keeping the number of plays to a minimum. Thanks in advance.
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Post by ocinaz on Jan 6, 2006 21:32:00 GMT -6
In college we use animals, now at the high school that I coach at, we use, colors. If we need to add twins to our basic pro right, it would be BLACK RIGHT TWINS.
When we have a TE, he is always to call side, twins tells the WR's to go opposite.
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Post by ralphieparker on Jan 6, 2006 22:57:48 GMT -6
ocinaz, that would be Right Deuce in the system I use. I appreciate the response. I am looking at different ways to eliminate so many words for some formations. Worked with a HC that Pro Right was Right 8 or the set you mentioned was Right 89. Again,Thanks
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Post by amikell on Jan 6, 2006 23:48:07 GMT -6
i've been part of a few systems. whatever the base form was was usually just right or left, be it pro I or flexbone w/ TE. the other words typically described the formation: over right/left meant TE over. pretty simple I thought, b/c the words described the forms. of course, one system I played in had River/Lake for the twins form (WR went with the call) and Rocket/Launch for the 3 WR 2 back set.
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Post by ralphieparker on Jan 7, 2006 7:57:16 GMT -6
amikell,
The one word description like River/Lake and Rocket/Launch is similar to what I was considering. I am not familiar though with all formations being named in this way. I was thinking of using animals that would also dictate the personnel groupings as well. Falcon would be a certain alignment in a 4 X 1 and Ram would be a certain alignment in a 2 X 2 package. I am just looking into other possibilities even though I am very comfortable with the way we have done it in the past. I am just curious, "is there a better mouse trap". Thanks
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Post by coachjd on Jan 7, 2006 8:12:31 GMT -6
Why have the kids learn 2 different terms? why not just give the formation a name and give the rt/lt with it. Now they only have to learn one term and I hope the kids know rt and lt.
We use 12-17 formations each week with a very limited number of plays. Each formation has a name.
2x2 formations
Solo
Solo Wing
Ace
Ace wing
Doubles
3x1 formations
Trey
Trey Wing
Tram
Tram Wing
Trips
Treo
3x2 formations
Empty
Ghost
Casper
Special formations
Amigo
Jumbo
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Post by ralphieparker on Jan 7, 2006 9:19:30 GMT -6
author=coachjd board=general
Why have the kids learn 2 different terms? why not just give the formation a name and give the rt/lt with it. Now they only have to learn one term and I hope the kids know rt and lt.
jd,
That is my thought. As many of us over the years have done, we get accustomed to a system that we worked under. Then we go on to use that system. I coached 20 plus and got out this year. Now with time on my hands, I am considering returning. I am looking for the better mouse trap. I have always believed in the KISS method. Now, I am just looking for ways to simplify even more, given the opportunity. I appreciate the information.
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Post by coachjd on Jan 7, 2006 11:45:33 GMT -6
ralphie,
I hear ya.
The 2 terms for each formation for both right and left is a good idea, and I coached at a college that used a system like that. In my experiences the least amount of terms you need to teach kids the better. As you said, KISS.
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Post by jhanawa on Jan 7, 2006 17:23:57 GMT -6
Here is how we do it, we have rules for each position.
X= always opposite call side except for trips, always on LOS.
Y= always call side except for trips.
Z= always call side, always 1 yd in backfield. I can brag that I've never had a Z line up on the wrong side, however, I have has one cover up the Y once.
These are easy rules that very rarely get screwed up.
This covers our 3 receivers, the FB is always in the backfield except for our spread or quad sets, he is slotted call side. Our RB (H in other systems) is call side except on duece and spread, he is the TB in I.
We use modifiers to tweak formations, this gives us a lot of looks and defenses headaches. These are our formations.
Duece R/L
Open Deuce R/L
Tight Duece R/L
Squeeze Duece R/L (X and Z bunch, 1yd splits from R and Y)
Gun Duece R/L
Gun Open Deuce R/L
Trips R/L ( trips to the SE (x) side)
Open Trips R/L
Tight Trips R/L
Squeeze Trips R/L (bunch, 1 yd splits)
Gun Trips R/L
Open Gun Trips R/L
Flank R/L (trips to the TE side)
Open Flank R/L
Tight Flank R/L
Gun Flank R/L
Open Gun Flank R/L
"I" R/L
Open "I" R/L
Tight "I" R/L
Wishbone (automatic two tights) could use same method as above though.
Spread R/L (automatic gun-3x2)
Quad R/L (automatic gun- 4x1)
a example play call with a lot going on.
Flip Gun Duece Rt, Zip, 816 Box, on RED, ready break.
a example with a simple play.
Duece Rt, 816 Box, on RED, ready break.
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Post by ralphieparker on Jan 7, 2006 21:31:58 GMT -6
jhanawa, those rules are similar to the system I have used. Difference is TE is always call side and Z is call side in Right or Left but would be away from the call in R or L. Gun Trips R for you would be the same as R Trips Gun for me. If I understand the way you call it your Trips R would be L Trips for me as the TE would be left and trips would be set to the right. Our calls would be about the same length though. Thanks
"Simplicity plus Variety" - Hank Stram
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