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Post by gacoach on Jan 14, 2008 13:17:10 GMT -6
Coach at a school with very hard working players, but in comparison to the competition, substandard athletes, or a school with great athletes but sub-standard work ethics?
I've got a chance to leave the former and go the latter.
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Post by chadp56 on Jan 14, 2008 13:19:10 GMT -6
You should be able to change their work ethic. If you don't think that you can do that, I'd stay put!
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Post by jraybern on Jan 14, 2008 13:51:37 GMT -6
I agree. If you feel like you can change the "culture" of the team (and maybe the entire community) then go for it. Sometimes having high expectations is enough to push talent to perform better.
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Post by phantom on Jan 14, 2008 17:40:44 GMT -6
Coach at a school with very hard working players, but in comparison to the competition, substandard athletes, or a school with great athletes but sub-standard work ethics? I've got a chance to leave the former and go the latter. I'll go with the others- you can always improve the work ethic.
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Post by touchdowng on Jan 14, 2008 20:41:19 GMT -6
In order to change the work ethic you'd better examine why there is a low work ethic.
Are kids fed from a silver spoon? Cultural
Was there poor leadership in the previous HC's? Habits
Much easier to modify habits. If it's cultural, you'd better target the parents in your strategy and get them on board.
If it's a lazy rich kids with athletic talent, I'd let somebody else coach them. These are the kids we love to beat.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 14, 2008 22:41:22 GMT -6
I'll take the first school with hard workers. Talent comes in waves. Hard workers make for long term successful programs.
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Post by jjkuenzel on Jan 14, 2008 23:06:05 GMT -6
I once asked a highly successful coach what is the most important thing to have a great team and a great porgram. His response was "Talent. It just makes everything else easier."
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Post by touchdowng on Jan 14, 2008 23:12:55 GMT -6
I once asked a highly successful coach the same question. As a matter of fact, he's in our state's H.S. Hall of Fame mainly due to his W-L record.
He said, he would ALWAYS take average kids with a farm boy mentality and that's what he had and he never lost more than 3 games in ANY season.
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Post by coachbdud on Jan 15, 2008 0:44:37 GMT -6
id rather have the hard workers
school im at now has the talent at the skill positions but they dont work to get better so their competition evens it out, and if you have linemen who dont live in the weight room then your just gonna get out muscled
i will take the guys who will never miss a practice and will come everyday to weights
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Post by brophy on Jan 15, 2008 6:09:53 GMT -6
hard workers
"Building character" isn't something that happens overnight - you will lose at least a 1/4 of those "talented" kids when you press them to get better (because it likely has always come easy for them).
Give me some kids I can go to war with and we'll at least get some consistent performance so we can actually game plan practically (instead of a lot of woulda couldas).
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Post by coachcalande on Jan 15, 2008 7:07:59 GMT -6
Ill take good people over good athletes any day.
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Post by wingt74 on Jan 15, 2008 8:30:18 GMT -6
hard workers "Building character" isn't something that happens overnight - you will lose at least a 1/4 of those "talented" kids when you press them to get better (because it likely has always come easy for them). Give me some kids I can go to war with and we'll at least get some consistent performance so we can actually game plan practically (instead of a lot of woulda couldas). Yup, I agree. One of my best players this past season was a slacker, and on some games he would show up...others his head was in the clouds from being out all night or "didn't feel good". He should have been a two way player...but didn't start on offense or defense and wasn't in the game plan. Some games he was a difference maker, some games he was non-existent. I couldn't imagine having a team of those types of kids.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jan 15, 2008 8:51:26 GMT -6
THOUGHTS become WORDS WORDS become ACTIONS ACTIONS become CHARACTER ...... and ..... CHARACTER is EVERYTHING.
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Post by gacoach on Jan 15, 2008 9:36:50 GMT -6
Seems like we've got two schools of thought here. The move to the latter would be a step up responsibility wise, so that is the attraction. I also need to clarify that I think "hard working" is subjective term because what may be hard working for one program isn't for another. The situation I am in now is a rural school but with very hard working kids who get support from home. The potential situation is also a rural school but the nature of the school does not lend itself for the players to put in the time I am used to. I don't think I need to lower my expectations, just change my way of thinking.
Thanks for all the input.
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