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Post by phantom on Nov 27, 2007 20:22:58 GMT -6
This is a coach's board, not a fan board. I think it's a great resource. I, and the other mods, have seen boards ruined when they've gotten bogged down with other stuff.
I'm a coach but I'm a fan of NFL and D.1 teams. I have friends here. I understand getting wrapped up in this.
We're not here to gossip, though. Footballscoop.com does that well enough and that's not a shot. That's what they're there for. Nothing wrong with that. We're here to talk coaching.
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Post by tog on Nov 27, 2007 20:33:26 GMT -6
There are three main things that kill football boards
1. fan stuff
2. people in "power" that will not listen to other ways of doing things that are sound football wise
3. the tiresome "hey coach, can you send me that playbook my email is coachwhatever@whatever.com
When Huey asked me to come on with him to get this thing started we had a long talk about what we wanted this board to look like. We have busted our tails trying to make sure those three things above do not happen. The hard part is still having some fun (guilty) as coaches will do sometimes to let off steam, or just joke around with your buddies and maintain the high level of x and o's and general football related coaching talk where we wanted them to make this the largest and best coaching board on the net.
Our moderators are doing a great job helping to keep this place going. When they lock or remove a thread it is because that is what we all as a moderating crew have talked about and decided to do. It is not something we take lightly and it is not something we do on a personal basis. It is just what is best for the board in the long run.
Thanks for all of our members out there that make this THE place to get and receive multiple responses from great coaches all across the world.
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Post by theprez98 on Nov 27, 2007 20:35:02 GMT -6
This is a coach's board, not a fan board. I think it's a great resource. I, and the other mods, have seen boards ruined when they've gotten bogged down with other stuff. I'm a coach but I'm a fan of NFL and D.1 teams. I have friends here. I understand getting wrapped up in this. We're not here to gossip, though. Footballscoop.com does that well enough and that's not a shot. That's what they're there for. Nothing wrong with that. We're here to talk coaching. I have seen where this has been going over the past few days, and even I have inadvertently contributed to it. Most of the locked threads over the past few days have been discussions about coaching changes (especially in the college ranks). As most of us are coaches (albeit at a different level), this seems to be what interests most coaches. I think there are probably legitimate discussions about coaching changes that can be held at this forum while keeping the concept of "x's and o's" in mind. Either way, I appreciate the hard work the moderators do, and especially appreciate the difficulty in drawing the line as to what is appropriate, as I have the same responsibility on several other (non-football) forums. |
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Post by spos21ram on Nov 27, 2007 20:42:39 GMT -6
I know the objective of this board is coaching strategies but the locked threads were about coaching for the most part since they were wondering why these coaches are playing musical chairs. I think there should be a "Lounge" section where off topics can be discussed.
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Post by burtledog on Nov 27, 2007 20:46:05 GMT -6
Moderators, I respect your decisions even though I enjoyed it.
Thank you,
Greg
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Post by tog on Nov 27, 2007 20:47:38 GMT -6
I know the objective of this board is coaching strategies but the locked threads were about coaching for the most part since they were wondering why these coaches are playing musical chairs. I think there should be a "Lounge" section where off topics can be discussed. This was another subject Huey and I have talked about at length. We did some research on a lot of boards out there, not just football ones either. Off-topic lounges turn into places where 1. people post stuff just to raise their post count/"cred" 2. the only place any one posts as most people just want to bs about what is on the top of their mind 3. the off topic stuff bleeds over into other areas and the whole board becomes a disorganized mess where people can't find what they are looking for neither of these situations are what we want here. as of now, there are no plans for ever having an off topic board there are enough places like that this will not be one of them |
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Post by Coach Huey on Nov 27, 2007 21:57:34 GMT -6
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Post by wingt74 on Nov 28, 2007 8:20:56 GMT -6
I think coach's need to visit the sub-boards more often...I know I have a tendency to visit the general board the most, but when I just take a look at a sub-board, suddenly I spend 30 minutes just reading.
People come to the general board to have a little fun, more lighthearted. Sub-boards are for the X's and O's.
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Post by coachorr on Nov 28, 2007 10:15:12 GMT -6
We have a board in Idaho that at one time was the biggest trash talking site around. By mine and other's endeavours we have been able to eliminate a lot of crap from presenting itself there, but it still goes on. The key is vigilence and it is that vigilence by the moderators who make the board great.
If I wanted to be on a fan board I would go to a fan board, the one we have in Idaho is all about Idaho's sports teams and nothing about x's and o's. It is the commentary on strategy and other coaching issues from coaches on here is what makes this board so good.
Thank you, Coach Huey and Tog and others who have made this a great place to gain more knowledge about the game.
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Post by fbdoc on Nov 28, 2007 10:23:39 GMT -6
The question for us all is, What do you want - a coaches board with the rare instance of fan talk or .... a fan board with the occasional (?) coach talk?
I side with the moderators. This is a COACHING Board.
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Post by ajreaper on Nov 28, 2007 10:30:10 GMT -6
I think Wingt hit the nail on the head. This is a great site- and there is obviously alot of hard work that goes into keeping it one along with a great deal of pride and a passion for making/keeping this a great site for coaches. As far as I'm concerned keep doing what you feel you must.
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Post by wingt74 on Nov 28, 2007 10:37:46 GMT -6
ok, lets be careful here though. Posts on NFL topics like Sean Taylor, New England's dominance, Michael Vick or opinions on college coach's or which cheerleader has the nicest rack aren't the WORST things in the world, in moderation. Remember, were building a community here...dam good one at that.
I personally like asking a question commonly asked in the media because...I want the rational response from my peers...guys that actually coach the game.
I guess it boils down to...what is the General Board used for?
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Post by tedseay on Nov 28, 2007 11:17:11 GMT -6
The question for us all is, What do you want - a coaches board with the rare instance of fan talk or .... a fan board with the occasional (?) coach talk? Doc: I can honestly say that the only thing that fries my butt more than an outbreak of fanspeak on a board like this is an attempt at "coaching" profundity on a fanboy board...  "ARRRGGGHHH!!! Hulk smash puny fanboy coaches!" |
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Post by theprez98 on Nov 28, 2007 12:02:24 GMT -6
How many people would delete the thread about referee video "giving him the business"? That certainly has nothing to do with X's and O's, but its funny, and probably made more than a few coaches laugh. Is there really no room for this at a coaches forum? If there is room for such lightheartedness, then I think you'd have to agree the general forum ought to be a little less restrictive. I agree that off-topic is truly off-topic, and should be locked. I'm not saying that you shouldn't lock purely rumor/gossip threads, but then again any mention of a published coach opening for the sake of discussion is not necessarily gossip either.
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Post by phantom on Nov 28, 2007 12:57:24 GMT -6
How many people would delete the thread about referee video "giving him the business"? That certainly has nothing to do with X's and O's, but its funny, and probably made more than a few coaches laugh. Is there really no room for this at a coaches forum? If there is room for such lightheartedness, then I think you'd have to agree the general forum ought to be a little less restrictive. I agree that off-topic is truly off-topic, and should be locked. I'm not saying that you shouldn't lock purely rumor/gossip threads, but then again any mention of a published coach opening for the sake of discussion is not necessarily gossip either. Nobody has much of a problem with an ocassional post about a college coaching change or the BCS or whatever. We'll even participate sometimes. It was just getting to be too much, though. It was taking over the board. I hope that the people that got threads or deleted don't get mad or take it personally. Especially, please don't go away or stop posting. Getting a thread locked doesn't mean that you have to say three Our Fathers and Three Hail Marys. So, if you're not sure that a thread that you're starting is appropriate, go ahead and post. |
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Post by groundchuck on Nov 28, 2007 13:10:10 GMT -6
 We uh like have this great site and need to keep it real. It is a great tool for football coaches.  Uh, did you just say tool? Sorry guys, I don't know what came over me. But in all seriousness this is THE board and everyone on here is the reason for that. Let's keep it about the coaching and be a fan on the fan boards. |
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Post by coachcb on Nov 28, 2007 14:39:00 GMT -6
I don't have any issues with the occasional thread pertaining to a college coach or college coaching change.
As long as the thread stays on track and deals with coaching; not why the Northern Kentucky A&M State football program needs to get rid of Tweedle Dee and hire Tweedle Dumb.
I know that I have been guilty of posting on those threads and fueling the fire; but I also understand why those threads are removed.
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Post by brophy on Nov 28, 2007 14:48:34 GMT -6
i know howard mudd
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Post by fbdoc on Nov 28, 2007 14:51:38 GMT -6
Fan on Coach board: "Are you questioning my "Fanhood"?
Coach on Fan Board: "Does your "Fanhood" need questioning?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2007 16:57:01 GMT -6
My take for what it's worth. In my opinion, Huey and Tog have already eliminated the factors of what ruins a board by setting up all the different categories that are x's and o's related. To me, general board should mean general board. If you want to eliminate this stuff, eliminate the general board so things are guaranteed to be coaching/x's and o's related.
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Post by bhb on Nov 28, 2007 17:19:10 GMT -6
General board means "General" topics.. There's more to coaching- MUCH more- than just the x's & o's.. Coaching changes is a part of our business- when it happens, guys want to discuss it.. Sure it's not X's & O's, but it is still coaching related, so it's not like it's exactly "off topic"..Judging by the amount of responses those threads tend to get it seems like there's a pretty good amount of Coaches in here that seem to enjoy, and participate, in that type of coaching related conversation..
I like this board, and have been a $ contributor when asked to show my support because of that very reason, but I do think it tends to be over moderated at times.. I've seen boards that weren't moderated at all, so I know what the fear of going down that road is, and it's justified- but the threads that get locked for talking about general coaching changes don't go down the profanity road or anything like that- this isn't really that type of crowd for the most part - they're just not X & O related but they ARE general Coaching related..
I don't know, instead of feeling the need to lock something that the Coaches obviously like to talk about, why not just let them run their course? Let the guys that want to talk about it talk about it and the guys that don't, well, just don't read them.. I don't see the big deal.. Just my .02 cents, but there's no-one forcing anyone to click on those threads- if it's not something that interests you just read something else.. Seems simple really..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2007 17:23:59 GMT -6
In regards to my last post, I LOVE the general board section. But, according to what moderators are stating, it sounds like they should do away with it.
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Post by PSS on Nov 28, 2007 17:25:54 GMT -6
My take for what it's worth. In my opinion, Huey and Tog have already eliminated the factors of what ruins a board by setting up all the different categories that are x's and o's related. To me, general board should mean general board. If you want to eliminate this stuff, eliminate the general board so things are guaranteed to be coaching/x's and o's related. Maybe I'm wrong but when I see the different areas on the board you have one for everything from offense to defense, special teams, youth, weights, trading posts, technology, etc. What I like about the General Board is coaches throwing ideas out about improving their overall programs, sharing organizational information that is so vital for success. Each of us have areas of expertise in running a football program, even those of us that don't have head coaching experience. Let's continue to share that information on the General Board. Truthfully, that's how I see the General Board. |
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Post by coachbdud on Nov 28, 2007 17:31:09 GMT -6
how hard is it to add an additional board to the site for the sole purpose of gossip and entertainment. People can post whatever they would like as long as its on that board, that way it doesnt ruin the general board and site for everyone else. If you dont wanna see that stuff then dont go to that board.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2007 17:33:24 GMT -6
Good point, PSS. Maybe General is a bad name then. Program Development board, maybe? Most of the posts in this section do fit program development, so maybe nothing needs to change. I was just mainly throwing an idea out there.
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Post by PSS on Nov 28, 2007 17:39:34 GMT -6
[i ]"how hard is it to add an additional board to the site for the sole purpose of gossip and entertainment. People can post whatever they would like as long as its on that board, that way it doesnt ruin the general board and site for everyone else. If you dont wanna see that stuff then dont go to that board."[/i] I know the objective of this board is coaching strategies but the locked threads were about coaching for the most part since they were wondering why these coaches are playing musical chairs. I think there should be a "Lounge" section where off topics can be discussed. This was another subject Huey and I have talked about at length. We did some research on a lot of boards out there, not just football ones either. Off-topic lounges turn into places where 1. people post stuff just to raise their post count/"cred" 2. the only place any one posts as most people just want to bs about what is on the top of their mind 3. the off topic stuff bleeds over into other areas and the whole board becomes a disorganized mess where people can't find what they are looking for neither of these situations are what we want here. as of now, there are no plans for ever having an off topic board there are enough places like that this will not be one of them
That pretty much sums up the reason we want to keep this clean. This board is a great resource for a lot of coaches and a great teaching tool. With Tog's comment it pretty much sums up why it's not a good idea to have a bs area on a board such as this.
It's been said by other moderator and I'll say it. There are a ton of rumor mill / fan sites out there. Some have even been mentioned. That's the place for rumors and such. |
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Post by coachbdud on Nov 28, 2007 17:47:52 GMT -6
ok fair enough, i was just seeing if that was a possible option
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Post by coachjd on Nov 28, 2007 18:22:04 GMT -6
Its one thing for we as coaches to discuss all the coaching movement etc... but when the general public starts to hear about this type of info on their favorite team or what might happen to their favorite coach on our board they will come. Is this what we want?
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Post by fbdoc on Nov 28, 2007 18:44:17 GMT -6
I honestly don't have the time (or the interest!) to visit a "fan board". I DO go on footballscoop.com a couple of times a week just to see whats there ... but THIS is where I go for my coaching questions. I see this board as a PROFESSIONAL exchange of ideas - fbscoop is gossip, plain and simple. Nothing wrong with either but each one has a separate purpose. Don't change this board.
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Post by saintrad on Nov 28, 2007 20:00:38 GMT -6
tog, huey, wildcat,pss, and all the other mods... keep up the good work. I (personally) appreciate the hard work you have put into this site and love the fact that we can talk football (since I live in place where once the season is over football seems to be forgotten until next season) and love the banter. I may not like the 'gate keeping' that occurs by some people stating how things will be done since they know better than others and the constant personal jabs/attacks. This is by far the best board becasue there is not a section for 'smack'. A smack board is for the illiterate, uneducated, or downright moronic people that either living off of past glory OR have never played the game. Thank you for having this board.  |
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