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Post by CS on May 4, 2012 10:44:35 GMT -6
I have just been asked by a girl if she could play. By law I had to say yes but really do not want her to play! I really don't feelthat she really wants to and just wants to be able to say that she is on the team and she will cause a distraction. Advice
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Post by mholst40 on May 4, 2012 10:49:43 GMT -6
We had a girl last year come to a few of our strength training sessions. She even did a couple of weeks of morning workouts in preparation for playing football.
But, once we started doing conditioning, it took her one day of hard work to quit.
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Post by John Knight on May 4, 2012 10:51:07 GMT -6
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Post by CS on May 4, 2012 11:15:53 GMT -6
Hey I played against a girl kicker in college. Not against the girl playing per say just I don't think she has the right intentions. Plus she will be at best a very weak lineman
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Post by bluedevil4 on May 4, 2012 11:19:53 GMT -6
We had a girl last year come to a few of our strength training sessions. She even did a couple of weeks of morning workouts in preparation for playing football. But, once we started doing conditioning, it took her one day of hard work to quit. She couldn't hack it. Sometimes guys can't take it either. I'd follow the rule that goes for every player: If they can protect themselves on the field, get through the same training everyone else has to go through, and doesn't make themselves a liability to the team, then I don't see a problem with it. This year, my team played against a team who had a girl on their D-line (little crab-crawler type) and she gave our O-line fits regularly.
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Post by Chris Clement on May 4, 2012 11:26:19 GMT -6
If she's for real, it will be the greatest thing to happen to your team. I've had nothing but success with every girl that made it through the first two weeks. I played with a girl in youth ball, she was by far my best blocker, one of only two OL I trusted. Then in HS, another girl who wasn't particularly good (good enough to start at the junior level in grade 10, so not an embarassment) but she just showed up and did her darndest and got the snot kicked out of her and just really helped rally the team, it was a bit of a little sister relationship. As a coach, I had one burner of a receiver, and my favourite player of all time, a perfectly regular-looking girl in the halls, but she hit like a man. I don't know if she had daddy issues or what, but she injured 3 of my kids in one practice, then injured 3 opponents in the next game. Next year she'll be in grade 9 as a starting JV RB and LB.
They really seem to help keep the boys in line and on their best behaviour. If she makes it through the initial culture shock, you will not regret it.
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Post by coachiminime on May 4, 2012 11:36:51 GMT -6
treat her exactly like anyone else and see what happens.
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Post by gdoggwr on May 4, 2012 11:46:06 GMT -6
Like the others have said. Treat her like a player. If she wants to be on the team, she has the same standards as everyone else.
We had a girl that wanted to play for us a couple of years ago. She had played in Junior High (was on the team, I don't know if she was any good). She made it through about two weeks of summer conditioning and changed her mind after struggling to keep up with the slowest group of guys during conditioning.
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Post by CS on May 4, 2012 11:46:28 GMT -6
treat her exactly like anyone else and see what happens. Yeah I am going to let her know that if she comes out she will get treated the same. She will not get through it if she doesn't want to play
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Post by CS on May 4, 2012 11:46:49 GMT -6
treat her exactly like anyone else and see what happens. Yeah I am going to let her know that if she comes out she will get treated the same. She will not get through it if she doesn't want to play
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Post by coachplaa on May 4, 2012 11:48:12 GMT -6
I've never had a "stud" female show up and play.
The girls I have had show average speed and size, and for the ones that have stuck it out, none of them have made it through the season healthy. Even had one girl bruise her tailbone (she couldn't walk normally for a week it was so painful) when she landed funny from getting blocked.
So for the handful of girls that come to me, this is what I do:
"If you were my daughter, I would not let you play due to your safety."
If that didn't work, I would call mom & dad and see what they say. At least half of the time, the parents had no clue, and wouldn't let it happen. If they say they are all for it, I explain my points, and focus on the concern I have for her safety; and what I would do with my daughter, especially from the experience I have watching boys hit each other at full speed.
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Post by coachplaa on May 4, 2012 11:49:37 GMT -6
I've never had a "stud" female show up and play. The girls I have had show average speed and size, and for the ones that have stuck it out, none of them have made it through the season healthy. Even had one girl bruise her tailbone (she couldn't walk normally for a week it was so painful) when she landed funny from getting blocked. So for the handful of girls that come to me, this is what I do: "If you were my daughter, I would not let you play due to your safety." If that didn't work, I would call mom & dad and see what they say. At least half of the time, the parents had no clue, and wouldn't let it happen. If they say they are all for it, I explain my points, and focus on the concern I have for her safety; and what I would do with my daughter, especially from the experience I have watching boys hit each other at full speed.
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Post by powerfootball71 on May 4, 2012 11:56:36 GMT -6
Im softening up on this over the years as a player my senior year in Hs a girl tried out.it seems like just not girls but any player with no real skills to speak ends up on the line. This is fine and dandy on a passing or other none smash mouth team. But as a player back then and I seem to get one or two a year that would hi low there own mother if it ment a full ride or a playoff spot so there safety is a concern. To make a long story short with things like extra gassers and endless reps for not getting things right all state linemen and a fb/lb had a way of weeding out the out of shape uncommeted or in this case a girl.
Now as a coach at a school that gained a lot of national attention for having a player with down syndrome I feel there is a spot for every kid even a girl. As long as its not a distraction and I make shure to keep them away from the animals sort of speak it could be a positive. So I would treat it just like any other situation yet to match it up evenly athlete wise and I'm sorry when its time to turn it up a notch and go team some ppl just don't get on the scout team becuase those kids take a beating.
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Post by pvogel on May 4, 2012 12:01:23 GMT -6
clement- thats not fair. Those canadian girls are a whole nother breed. Back when I was a boy scout we went camping up there. ran into a canadian venture crew of girls women. They wouldve dominated us in a game of pickup.
But in all seriousness youd have to let them play. I like the idea of telling her I wouldnt let my daughter do it. And in reality, the most athletic girls in your school are probably playing other sports. Very, very, very slim odds for a girl to get a football schollie as opposed to other sports
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Post by Chris Clement on May 4, 2012 12:16:28 GMT -6
Ohhhhh! I thought you guys just had dainty princesses, turns out it's just ours who are nuts.
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Post by John Knight on May 4, 2012 12:39:18 GMT -6
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Post by tackle on May 4, 2012 16:05:52 GMT -6
Coached on a team that had a girl kicker. Head coach needed a kicker and had a competition at school. A girl won. Certain things you need to think about if she makes the team.
Changing area. She needs to get changed in an area that is boy free. This can be a problem when playing on the road. We had a female trainer so Noel was in charge of finding an area were she could change. A couple of games required her to dress in the bus and then hang with taping crew until the locker room was deemed safe.
Team Attitude- Wil the boys be up for the new player. You may want to "listen" to your guys. A large amount of boys with testosterone surging usually repels women. Now you got one who wants to be one of the guys. Some may be able to handle it. Some may not. They need to understand that they are always in mixed company and locker room language will get them in trouble.
Competition- She needs to understand what a football practice looks/feels like. We lucked out. She could go kick and not be in drills. She did get blasted on kickoff practice.
Some coaches may have more to add. For us it was a great experience.
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Post by 19delta on May 4, 2012 16:45:16 GMT -6
My experience has almost always been that the girls who claim that they want to play REALLY don't want to play...they simply want the coach to tell them they can't play so they (or, even worse, their parents) can make a big stink about it.
I don't make a big deal about it at all...I don't want to give them the satisfaction of telling them they can't play and then they get to make a big deal about it. If they can hack it, they can stay. But, once they figure out that you aren't going to let them be an attention {censored}, they usually lose interest pretty quick.
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Post by superpower on May 4, 2012 17:05:34 GMT -6
I'm all for girls playing football...against other girls. If that makes me politically incorrect, so be it. Why is it that our society is eliminating any and all male only situations (e.g. football, wrestling, etc.)?
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Post by mattyg2787 on May 4, 2012 17:45:29 GMT -6
We had a girl play in the Juniors comp here a couple of years back. She played OL/DL and towered over our biggest linemen (he was 6'3 and probably 300lbs) She proceeded to clean up QBs & Rbs all season long. If they can play the same or better then the boys, why not let them play
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Post by Chris Clement on May 4, 2012 18:34:05 GMT -6
Matty G, we don't understand because our nations were not founded by Puritans.
Just kidding guys, mostly.
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Post by carookie on May 4, 2012 19:40:08 GMT -6
Anything you can say about a girl on your team (unathletic, distraction, just wants to say they are part of the team) Im pretty certain you can say it about a boy on your team; so why would you treat them any different?
As another stated here, I too have had a kid with downs (and other issues) be on a team, went through all four years. I was his frosh coach, and initial issue was concerns for safety; but after that was taken care of there were no real issues.
Maybe I'm in the minority on this, but I believe in treating people equally until THEY prove they don't deserve it
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Post by bgj on May 4, 2012 19:50:12 GMT -6
Everything is fine and dandy, then she starts dating your MLB and your head coach institutes a rule that they can't hold hands with each other if they are both wearing their jerseys. True story.
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Post by Chris Clement on May 4, 2012 19:52:54 GMT -6
My aforementioned favourite player ever was dating my other ILB. They'd walk on and off the field holding hands and then beat the living snot out of each other for two hours. Romance, a beautiful thing.
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Post by coachmikeg on May 4, 2012 20:19:09 GMT -6
Yeah. It's worse when two guys hold hands and then beat the snot out of each other though.
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Post by coachbuck on May 5, 2012 1:04:46 GMT -6
Please someone post film of these girls in H.S. smashing boy teenagers. I dont believe it. Once boys hit puberty the strength of a boy far out weighs a girl, so if the girl is smathing a H.S. boy Im guessing your weight room really sucks. I had a girl sign up to play on my freshman team for next year. Maybe 5'4 95lbs, yeah thats gonna work out. The idiot dad was all for it. Im like delta, come on out. We will treat you like everyone else, she wont be a distraction, I wont allow it. She will not make it past conditioning.
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Post by Chris Clement on May 5, 2012 9:41:46 GMT -6
How come ordinarily nobody will cop to running conditioning, it's "wasted practice" and claiming their practices are conditioning in themsleves, but suddenly when somebody needs to be disposed of, everybody runs conditioning.
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Post by coachbuck on May 5, 2012 13:03:06 GMT -6
I think you answered your own question.
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Post by coachfd on May 5, 2012 13:24:02 GMT -6
I coached a women's semi-pro team once... let me say this: some women can absolutely play football. At the high school level, because of physiological differences and physical maturity rates, it might be much different. However, if you do have a young woman who truly wants to play, I would embrace the situation. You have a tremendous opportunity to provide a great role model and inspiration to all of the young ladies in your school and in your town (and maybe even your own daughters as well).
You also have a great opportunity to teach your young men about how to treat women respectfully, talk to women respectfully, and talk about women respectfully.
You would have to treat her similarly as the boys, but spend more time talking to her and working with her from a mental/psychological aspect. I think of the example of coaches working with some of the first black-quarterbacks in the league, and on how they approached the situation with extra care and by stressing the importance of the opportunity (and how to handle that opportunity) with the player.
She will have to understand that she will have to work twice as hard to earn the respect of her teammates, and that she shouldn't expect to be given or shown any preferential treatment.
There are many high school programs that have female wrestlers, who compete with the boys within their respective weight classes. I believe a young women--if she truly wants to play and understand all that goes along with it--can find a place on a team and find a meaningful way to contribute in some fashion to your overall program. As a coach, you need to take the situation seriously, and make sure that you ensure the young lady's safety and health (both physical and emotional).
All in all, though, I would embrace the situation and give it a try. You never know what kind of impact it might have on your team, your school, and your community.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 5, 2012 18:14:19 GMT -6
I've never had a "stud" female show up and play. The girls I have had show average speed and size, and for the ones that have stuck it out, none of them have made it through the season healthy. Even had one girl bruise her tailbone (she couldn't walk normally for a week it was so painful) when she landed funny from getting blocked. So for the handful of girls that come to me, this is what I do: "If you were my daughter, I would not let you play due to your safety." If that didn't work, I would call mom & dad and see what they say. At least half of the time, the parents had no clue, and wouldn't let it happen. If they say they are all for it, I explain my points, and focus on the concern I have for her safety; and what I would do with my daughter, especially from the experience I have watching boys hit each other at full speed. Coach, I would advise against saying "I would not you play due to safety". While you may have a genuine concern, you are also could be opening a HUGE can of worms for yourself. It could easily be turned against you as going into the situation "close minded" if the girl continues but the situation turns out to be a hassle.
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