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Post by airraider on Apr 1, 2008 20:05:24 GMT -6
As most of you know I coached at pretty under talented team this past season. Most teams we played really took it to us.. a few even went on to humiliate us.
One team in particular had pulled their starters late in the 3rd quarter while up by 32 points. They put their offensive starters back in in the last minute of play and tossed a 60 yard TD pass to put their final score at 52.
This same team also played the team I just took over. My new team beat them 22-20. It was a horrible game in which it looked like it was going to be a blow out early.. and then the wheels fell off. This was largely due to being very under coached. Brophy and I both left this team just as the season was starting and they had to take on the offense and defense with the staff that remained. And quite frankly, they did not do a good job at all.
Here is my question to you..
This team I now have only lost 2 meaningful senior starters. We have sense had 2 very good pick ups move in. We are also expecting a 6'3 200lb QB who was all city last year to move over as his dad is one of my assistants.
There is a GREAT chance that we will be WAY better than the team was this past season.
If you had the chance.. Now that you were the one with the superior athletes.. would you prove a point to this coach who put his starters back in to score in the final minute?
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Post by coache67 on Apr 1, 2008 20:12:11 GMT -6
Yep.
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Post by dacoachmo on Apr 1, 2008 20:25:18 GMT -6
beat him early and often (if you can), but don't lower yourself to his level.
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Post by airraider on Apr 1, 2008 20:37:11 GMT -6
beat him early and often (if you can), but don't lower yourself to his level. Yes, I cant stress the if I can part enough.. there are no sure things.. but they are a 1A school with about 30 players including freshmen.. and we are a 4A and should have around 70+ with freshmen.. So we "should" have the upper hand..
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Post by los on Apr 1, 2008 20:42:14 GMT -6
I personally wouldn't waste my time.......even thinking about "proving a point".....they won't get it anyhow, lol.....just win the game....and go on to the next one
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Post by cllew on Apr 1, 2008 20:47:05 GMT -6
Let me get this straight:
1. You coached team Less-talent last year.
2. Team Jack-a$$ beat you 52-0 and displayed an extreme lack of sportsmanship
3. You now coach team Most-talent which defeated team Jack-a$$ 22-20 last year.
4. Here is where I'm unclear - which team did you and Brophy leave at the start of the season - team Jack-a$$ or the new team you have, team Most-talent? Or another team? Too many pronouns.
In any event, if you teach the coach a lesson and run up the score you are also punishing the other team's players and reinforcing to them and your players that its ok to run up the score beyond a reasonable level. Show them how to be classy.
Do you punish your players when their parents are jerks and the kid has no control over what the parent says or does? That is what you are proposing. The players for this jerk had no control over the game score.
First, why don't you tell the other coach how you feel and why before the game?
There are other ways to embarrass or make your point to the coach beside running up the score.
1. Use some gadget plays early so he looks bad - fake punt, onside kick, fake FG, reverse pass, exotic formation etc. When the other team fails to adjust or make the play, most people blame the coach for either not knowing it was coming or for the players no knowing what to do.
2. Build a big half-time lead and start your backups and jv team for the second half. Or even in the first half - now that's embarassing, especially when other teams see it on film.
3 When you get a big lead, call the referees and him into a huddle and ask the other coach if he wants to go to running time since the game is so lopsided. Or ask the refs to ask him for you.
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Post by airraider on Apr 1, 2008 20:47:48 GMT -6
I personally wouldn't waste my time.......even thinking about "proving a point".....they won't get it anyhow, lol.....just win the game....and go on to the next one Oh he would get it.. because I made it a point to go up to him at the end of the game and tell him just how classless he was for doing that and that his day would come.. lol.
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Post by knight9299 on Apr 1, 2008 20:58:41 GMT -6
beat him early and often (if you can), but don't lower yourself to his level. Yes, I cant stress the if I can part enough.. there are no sure things.. but they are a 1A school with about 30 players including freshmen.. and we are a 4A and should have around 70+ with freshmen.. So we "should" have the upper hand.. First: I wouldn't run it up, but I sure as heck would leave no doubt who was the better team. Second: Why in God's name is 1a school squaring off against a 4a school?
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Post by los on Apr 1, 2008 21:02:54 GMT -6
Here's my point.....lol.....if someone is this classless, rude and unsportmanlike.... and "purposely" does things like this.....do you think they'll even care ? lol.....you won't be teaching them anything......only showing them...you wanna be just like them.....cause you're doing the same thing.....forget it......win the game....shake hands.....don't mention it.....that'll really drive them crazy, lol
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Post by airraider on Apr 1, 2008 21:10:09 GMT -6
Yes, I cant stress the if I can part enough.. there are no sure things.. but they are a 1A school with about 30 players including freshmen.. and we are a 4A and should have around 70+ with freshmen.. So we "should" have the upper hand.. First: I wouldn't run it up, but I sure as heck would leave no doubt who was the better team. Second: Why in God's name is 1a school squaring off against a 4a school? Yea, pretty piss poor job of scheduling on the part of the coach before last.. we are on 2 year contracts in Louisiana.. Our pre-district consists of two 2A's and the 1A school..
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Post by airraider on Apr 1, 2008 21:14:52 GMT -6
Let me get this straight: 1. You coached team Less-talent last year. 2. Team Jack-a$$ beat you 52-0 and displayed an extreme lack of sportsmanship 3. You now coach team Most-talent which defeated team Jack-a$$ 22-20 last year. 4. Here is where I'm unclear - which team did you and Brophy leave at the start of the season - team Jack-a$$ or the new team you have, team Most-talent? Or another team? Too many pronouns. In any event, if you teach the coach a lesson and run up the score you are also punishing the other team's players and reinforcing to them and your players that its ok to run up the score beyond a reasonable level. Show them how to be classy. Do you punish your players when their parents are jerks and the kid has no control over what the parent says or does? That is what you are proposing. The players for this jerk had no control over the game score. First, why don't you tell the other coach how you feel and why before the game? There are other ways to embarrass or make your point to the coach beside running up the score. 1. Use some gadget plays early so he looks bad - fake punt, onside kick, fake FG, reverse pass, exotic formation etc. When the other team fails to adjust or make the play, most people blame the coach for either not knowing it was coming or for the players no knowing what to do. 2. Build a big half-time lead and start your backups and jv team for the second half. Or even in the first half - now that's embarassing, especially when other teams see it on film. 3 When you get a big lead, call the referees and him into a huddle and ask the other coach if he wants to go to running time since the game is so lopsided. Or ask the refs to ask him for you. I guess it is all a little too much to take in.. I was at Woodlawn High School last spring.. then brought Brophy on during the summer.. I ended leaving, as did Brophy just before the season started.. I ended up at Sarepta High School for this season.. At the end of the season Woodlawn's coach quit.. I then got the HC spot at Woodlawn.. Woodlawn and Sarepta had a common opponent on the season.. Woodlawn has been an under achieving 4A school.. and Sarepta has been a low talent 1A school.. with an actual enrollment of a class C school.. but classes B and C do not play football.. you play football.. you have to be class A.. in all sports..
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Post by coachwarner on Apr 1, 2008 21:31:35 GMT -6
To many variables in a football game to assume your going to win. I do wish you luck though. If your Team gets way ahead are you going to leave your starters in with the possibility one may get hurt? also what justice would you be doing your substitutes, they need play time to get better also. making your team better should be your main objective. It does not make sense if its just to prove a point for your personal gratification. Please do not lower yourself to the other coaches misguided actions. You would only be hurting the integrity of the game as the other coach has already done. Just my opinion
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Post by jjkuenzel on Apr 1, 2008 21:40:41 GMT -6
What is the point of running it up on a prick coach? He is still going to be a prick whether you run it up on him or not. Give him his whopping, go home, and go win some more ball games.
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Post by eickst on Apr 1, 2008 22:10:11 GMT -6
Why waste time even thinking about this game? You're already looking ahead to a particular game on your schedule and you haven't even gone through 2 a days yet.
If you beat him but lose all of your other games Coach Ahab, will your players be happy?
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Post by spreadattack on Apr 1, 2008 22:26:04 GMT -6
I will agree with the others that the focus should just be on doing the basic things right and let the butt whuppin take care of itself. Put together a good gameplan, have a great week of practice, and execute.
I think if you turn it into too much of a "me vs. him" scenario you might press and not call a good game, and if some breaks go against you, might get a little off too. If it so happens that you're up 45-7 late the in the 3rd quarter, then go from there. If you can use anything to fire up your team though, go for it.
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Post by coachcoyote on Apr 1, 2008 23:32:06 GMT -6
Show him you have some class if you beat him. Don't lower yourself to his level. Pull your starters if you can, and let the other kids play. Don't forget to prepare for the other teams.
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Post by davecisar on Apr 2, 2008 2:59:09 GMT -6
A 4A school with 2 -3 x the student population running it up on a 1A school?
Not sure how that would look. Be the bigger person.
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Post by Fridge on Apr 2, 2008 4:41:51 GMT -6
No similar action necessary! Show your class, don´t let the poor kids pay for their coach´s behaviour. This is a great way to coach YOUR kids, what respect means. Even if they spit you in the face, you should help ´em up, when they fall (after you hit ´em hard).
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Post by airraider on Apr 2, 2008 4:45:16 GMT -6
:DWe sure do have a lot of dewy do rights on here.
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Post by lochness on Apr 2, 2008 5:48:25 GMT -6
Just beat him like you would any other opponent. Hopefully, this means that when the score is out of reach, you have your back-ups in and you leave them in.
At the end of the game, you might make a comment like "Coach, I COULD have...but I NEVER would...not even to YOU."
That would frost his garden pretty well, and you still come out showing more class then he deserves.
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Post by realdawg on Apr 2, 2008 6:18:30 GMT -6
I wouldnt run it up on purpose, just so I could make some smart comment to him about it when I shook his hand.
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Post by fatkicker on Apr 2, 2008 6:24:15 GMT -6
running it up is fun until you get your 6'3" 200 lb quarterback hurt in the process.....
nothing like losing a stud when you are 6 touchdowns ahead....
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Post by kr7263 on Apr 2, 2008 6:34:18 GMT -6
I guess I'm of the Spurrier philosophy - if we are a passing team we are going to keep passing if we are a running team we will keep running the plays that are working. If a team "runs" the score up on us this year (as many did we finished 1-8) we are not looking for revenge "next year" we are looking to win football games. Our final game last year we were 1-7 playing an 8-0 conference champ (already clinched home playoff game) 3:00 left in game we are down 34-0 both teams have JVs in - we get a long run to the 10. They put their 1st team defense in and send 7 - 3 plays in a row - against my JVs. Needless to say we lost about 50 yards. I'm going to tuck that away (this is my first year at this school) and if the roles are reversed I'm not going out of my way to do anything but play ball, coach my kids up, and do whats best for my team.
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Post by dubber on Apr 2, 2008 6:42:00 GMT -6
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Post by dubber on Apr 2, 2008 6:51:39 GMT -6
My redneck says, "hell yeah, run da score up on deem boys!" My coaching side worries about the kids. Running it up lends itself to cheap shot retaliations by the "disenfranchised" team. As fatkicker said, you want an EH kid taking out your QB's knees when your up 42? Also, is this really about the kids anymore? Sure the HC is a joke, but do all of his kids deserve to be punished for something they didn't really do? Run your offense, but when it's in hand, let your young bucks play. :DWe sure do have a lot of dewy do rights on here. And, yes.......... .....guilty as charged.
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Post by trojan on Apr 2, 2008 7:09:29 GMT -6
This reminds me of an episode of "Taxi" in which a hairdresser essentially humiliated and belittled Elaine. Alex went back with Elaine to confront the male hairdresser (played by Ted Danson). After Elaine had made her point, she picked up some hair product and contemplated messing up the hairdresser with it. She didn't. Her comment was that she did not want to lower herself to his level, and Alex Reager commended her for her choice. Then Louie walked up to the hairdresser and said, "She might not lower herself to your level, but I will!" and doused the son-of-a-gun with the hair product. Take whatever lesson you want from that story. I'd like to think I would behave like Elaine, but some teams make me want to be Louie.
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Post by nkcoach on Apr 2, 2008 7:19:14 GMT -6
Tough spot, but do the right thing. My first season we got smoked by a team 70-6. I puked repeatedly. Last year we beat them, same coaches 49-0. It wasn't really running up the score, it was 35 at half and JV's played the majority of the 3rd quarter.
Here's the thing... after the whipping he gave me, I always said that if I had the opportunity, I'd run it up on him. When the opportunity came, I didn't. Here's the best part. After the game he said, "Thanks for calling off the dogs." I said "Just remember this next time you're pouring it on somebody." Felt better than if we had put 70 on him.
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Post by superpower on Apr 2, 2008 7:40:17 GMT -6
Remember that as coaches we are responsible for setting the proper example for the kids on our team. Also, while it might be enjoyable to run it up on an idiot coach, his players don't deserve that kind of treatment. They didn't choose their coach.
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Post by spos21ram on Apr 2, 2008 9:00:39 GMT -6
I wouldn't put the starters back in the last minute, thats classless. I would just not take them out at all and win 50-0.
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Post by brophy on Apr 2, 2008 12:29:43 GMT -6
taking the high road is never the wrong answer do your job - win the game save the personal stuff for when you're "off the clock" How is this decision "best for the program"? How does it make your players better? IT AIN'T ABOUT YOU...You can be satisfied as long; 1_ If YOUR PLAYERS go out and execute 2_ If ALL YOUR PLAYERS get game experience 3_ None of YOUR PLAYERS get injured then that game will be a success
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