kw
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Post by kw on Jan 3, 2012 12:42:07 GMT -6
Yes, it is worth the time.
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Post by fantom on Jan 3, 2012 13:25:30 GMT -6
Yes, it is worth the time. I disagree. For one thing, a HS coach may wear more than one hat. In my case, besides coaching OL I'm also the DC and coach DBs. I have to choose my priorities carefully. I don't teach anymore but when I did that also was a higher priority than grading. Next, as others have said, what can I do about it anyway? We don't have a full 2-deep competing for jobs. If we have 8 OL who can play at all it's a good year.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Jan 3, 2012 14:00:00 GMT -6
Plus it holds coaches accountable to really watch each player every play. I can't tell you how many times I thought a kid played horrible until I saw the film and got his grade. I have also thought a player played well until I saw the film and the grade. Exactly why I continue to do it even though it breaks my balls to watch each play that many times (OL & LBs, Special teams)
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Post by Coach Huey on Jan 3, 2012 15:56:53 GMT -6
gave up grading a while back. found it wasn't worth the trouble of assigning. i'm going to make notes about the play anyway. with hudl, we simply right them on the screen. "left tackle, took to flat a path" "qb, carry out the fake" ... "good protection", "good downfield block".. whatever.
the point of reviewing game film is to get better, correct mistakes. notes on players, notes on plays, i've found to be more useful than a 'grade' on a player. i want them focusing on learning, getting better, not bitter about how they got graded on a play.
we spend alot of time with our players on film. going over things. much better for us than charting a plus or minus, etc. just seemed like overkill at the hs level, that's all.
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Post by coachplaa on Jan 3, 2012 18:01:10 GMT -6
I have graded my kids even though it is very tedious. I ask my coaches to grade the kids even though it is tedious. I don't care so much about the grade that they get, but each position does have a standard grade that if they fall below, means their job is open the next week in practice. Like someone said before, it is an emotionless way to make sure you are playing the kids that are performing well, not just the ones that look good in their uniform. And also, in times of a controversy, like two QB's battling it out for playing time, grading will help a coach make a decision on who is playing better.
Our grading is VERY simple. A "2" means great effort and execution. A "1" means one or the other, but not both. A "O" is bad- blown assignment or poor execution. A negative score is a loaf. It could be any negative number, but we stick to -1 through -3. If a kid can't be seen, or otherwise had a very average effort, we just scratch in a 1 so it doesn't hurt or help the score. We take their total number of points they earned, and divide it by the plays they were in.
Each position will have different benchmarks. For example, we expect our QB to be in the range of 1.5. The rest of our offense is usually between 1.0 and 1.4. Any defensive player that averages a 1 or better has had a good day. But again, we don't care as much about what the score is, as much as we gain from the details involved on what players are doing well and what they are not- focused mainly on hustle/effort, and execution/assignment.
Since we are all busy, there are times where my coaches don't get their grades done. I think it has a definite impact in terms of the coach being prepared and making the players at their positon better, because they know exactly what to work on in practice.
For example, I had two young volunteer coaches this year....one watched a lot of film and graded his players, and the other did not do a good job. As a result, the one who watched film and did the grading, knew exactly what types of things his unit was weak at, and designed the Indy time he had around making sure they got better and eliminated weaknesses. The other coach who watched very little film, fell back on old-school type of drills that weren't really addressing problematic areas that kids in his unit were seeing in the games.
Watching and evaluating film is the key. Grading is extra, but I think it makes you focus a little more on the finer points. Hudl has been great about throwing the notes right on the play, and then sharing with the players. We also put our grading right into Hudl. We created custom columns for each position, and the coach puts his grade for that player into the spreadsheet for that play.
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Post by warriorhog51 on Jan 3, 2012 19:28:46 GMT -6
I feel like the grading topic comes up a couple times per year. Often I see it on the defense boards. I agree with Huey on this one. Even as a college coach, I no longer like to give an actual "grade" to my players. I only did it this year because the HC required us to do it and keep copies in case a kid complained about playing time. The important part, to me, are the notes that I make when looking at film. I would rather watch the film and take notes on what we need to work on and get it done so I can move on to my special teams responsibilities or work on the scouting report for the next opponent. I will spend as much time as I need watching the game film from Saturday's game and making notes.
If I do actually grade, it is a simple +/- for alignment, assignment, and technique (all in one), and a second +/- for effort. I tell my guys that they either do it all right, or they don't. They know this up front that those are the expectations and they will never change. Then I will make notes about what needs to be improved.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Jan 3, 2012 21:12:09 GMT -6
To me the value in it is not in giving a percentage grade, but the opportunity to write down feedback on each play for each player in my position group. This way I can discuss the issues with them after the film, and I don't run the risk of missing something with one person in my group because I was discussing something another player in my group was doing on a specific play.
Of course, there is no guarantee that the player is actually reading the feedback, but it's pretty easy to tell by striking up a conversation with them about the general feedback they were given.
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Post by tog on Jan 3, 2012 22:11:30 GMT -6
gave up grading a while back. found it wasn't worth the trouble of assigning. i'm going to make notes about the play anyway. with hudl, we simply right them on the screen. "left tackle, took to flat a path" "qb, carry out the fake" ... "good protection", "good downfield block".. whatever. the point of reviewing game film is to get better, correct mistakes. notes on players, notes on plays, i've found to be more useful than a 'grade' on a player. i want them focusing on learning, getting better, not bitter about how they got graded on a play. we spend alot of time with our players on film. going over things. much better for us than charting a plus or minus, etc. just seemed like overkill at the hs level, that's all. if we had this available to do/work with--we would more than likely go this route with it
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Post by Coach Huey on Jan 3, 2012 22:28:09 GMT -6
I'm not opposed to giving out grades. Just, for us, what purpose does a numerical grade do for us? We are more about learning, getting better, correcting, etc. Just felt like assigning a 'grade' didn't really get us any closer to our goals. Just our way....
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Post by tog on Jan 3, 2012 22:40:10 GMT -6
same thing
we only get about an hour with em on saturday morning---may not get to all of the plays----we can't do overlays on the video right now--for various reasons---not being on hudl at our place being one of them---
so we print out the grade sheets with the notes---so the kids can watch on their own--and see our notes --so kind of a mix of old school and new tech--just tryin to make it work
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Post by fantom on Jan 3, 2012 22:48:27 GMT -6
same thing we only get about an hour with em on saturday morning---may not get to all of the plays----we can't do overlays on the video right now--for various reasons---not being on hudl at our place being one of them--- so we print out the grade sheets with the notes---so the kids can watch on their own--and see our notes --so kind of a mix of old school and new tech--just tryin to make it work That doesn't make sense to me. What's the point of filming if you're not going to watch it with the team?
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Post by tog on Jan 3, 2012 23:00:02 GMT -6
we DO watch it with the team
we break down into offensive and defensive groups then switch----we go both sides of the ball
we don't have time to watch ALL of it with them
any that we don't get to--they can check the notes we also give out dvds of the game to our kids with the notes/grades etc
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Post by julien on Jan 4, 2012 0:26:13 GMT -6
I give a try to grading sheet a while back... Being an Euro Coach with only 2 practice per week, this is too much work.
So we decide to work differently: We do not have hudl but we send a weblink to all our players the night after the game so they can watch it at home. The very next practice start in the film room. We watch game tape (not full game) with players, then we go to the field to work on techniques.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jan 4, 2012 6:44:25 GMT -6
Name: Opponent: Positive Points Times TOTAL Series (1) First Hit (2) Assist (1) Sack * (3) QB pressure (1) TFL * (2) Batted Ball (1) Forced Fumble * (3) Fumble Recovery * (3) Big Hit * (3) Big Play * (3) PBU (1) Lock Down (1) INT * (3) Great Execution (1) * represents automatic star Total Positive Points: Negative Points Metal Error (-1) Unnecessary Penalty (-2) Loaf (-3_ Total Negative Points: 1 Star every 15 points Overall Total: Highlight play # for recruiting purposes
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Post by tog on Jan 4, 2012 6:49:31 GMT -6
fantom I didn't say whether or not we spend too much time with certain plays or not. Some of our staff still needs some work on that. (me included)
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Post by fantom on Jan 4, 2012 11:09:01 GMT -6
fantom I didn't say whether or not we spend too much time with certain plays or not. Some of our staff still needs some work on that. (me included) We might, too. What are you supposed to do, though? If it needs to be done it needs to be done.
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