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Post by bulldogoption on Apr 5, 2006 12:32:20 GMT -6
Wondering about the pros and cons of giving HS kids playbook material........
If you are one of the coaches who does not give playbooks to kids:
1. Why not? 2. What are some things you do instead to teach it to the kids?
If you do give playbooks to kids:
1. What do you give them / How much? 2. When?
Thanks
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Post by superpower on Apr 5, 2006 12:43:19 GMT -6
I used to give them playbooks, but then they ended up in their lockers or on the floor of the lockerroom. That defeated the purpose. Since we don't use playbooks, we use a simple play-calling system and run a small package of base plays which we constantly rep in practice. I honestly haven't had problems with kids not knowing their assignments even though we don't use a playbook.
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Post by realdawg on Apr 5, 2006 12:58:19 GMT -6
We dont give the kids playbooks either. We give them a sheet of formations (just skill guys) but we dont hand out playbooks for the same reason superpower doesnt-they didnt read them and we were killing trees. To overcome this we just rep, rep, rep and keep everything as easy as possible. (zone right and zone left aint hard to remember!)LOL
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Post by bigdaddyd on Apr 5, 2006 13:29:17 GMT -6
Last year my OC gave out just a call, and a formation sheet, I felt it was not a good way to teach kids the plays. Our players needed an actual visual of the play against multiple fronts with there assigned responsibilities.
This year, I plan on giving each player on the Varsity Level a PB, and on the JV team, they will get one too, but it will be a scale down version with just or base plays.
The way I plan to keep tabs on them is by having them bring it to practice everyday. We'll implement them in our "O" individual meetings. They will be required to have there PB or face the consequences...
Quick note, b4 I hand the PB out to the players, I number each PB for record keeping purposes, and tell them the PB is like any piece of equipment. If they loose it, there would be a hold on their grades until it is returned or payed for.
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Post by coachcalande on Apr 5, 2006 15:27:13 GMT -6
1) give them to the kids 2) do a weekly "do you have it still" check and treat is as part of the gear that they must turn in at the end of the year 3) hold them accountable...its what its all about.
in 2004 i decided i wasnt going to use playbooks...everything taught on the whiteboard and the field...seemed to me that my kids took longer to "get it" than i had ever remembered...one day i brought in a playbook and had two staff members work on copying and binding it that day,...it was the best coaching move of the season. the light bulbs for some of the kids went on only after they had a playbook to study. each of us learns differently...ill do everything within my power to get them to learn...that means, playbooks on dvd with game film to show the plays, paper playbooks or power points....all that might help just one more kid and might mean one more win.
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Post by coachjd on Apr 5, 2006 15:41:40 GMT -6
we give our kids playbooks, but they only have the play drawn vs. a base 4-4 defense. On the bottom of the page, all the rules are listed for the play. On the backside of the playsheet are formations vs. all the defenses we see, but no blocking assingments drawn. When we introduce the play in our chalk talks the kids will draw in the lines as we go through the rules of the play on the overhead. We feel it helps the kids learn the rules, when we ask them to draw the assignment when we read through the rules together.
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Post by kakavian on Apr 5, 2006 18:41:01 GMT -6
For us, at our Youth level, we wont use a playbook, but we will hand out sheets with new passes on it. The run plays we expect them to know down pat. Hell there are only ten of them, and six passes at the beginning of the season. Plus we use a really simple system of playcalling so that everyone can figure it out from the called play, even if they have no idea otherwise.
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Post by riverrat on Apr 5, 2006 18:56:32 GMT -6
I GIVE AN INDIVIUAL PLAYBOOK TO EACH POSITION ON DEF. SPRING AND HAVE THEM STUDY IT 5 WEEKS PRIOR TO SPRING. MUST RETURN IT AFTER SPRING IN MINT CONDITION OR FACE PUNISHMENT. I GET ALOT MORE ACCOMPLISHED IN SPRING WITH MY YOUNGER KIDS BY GIVING THEM SOMETHING ON PAPER. LEARN YOUR ALIGNMENT AND YOUR STUNTS AND NOBODY ELSE'S.
BE DOING THIS FOR 8 YEARS.
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Post by airman on Apr 5, 2006 21:48:31 GMT -6
i like how bobby knight does it. they keep a note book. they bring it every where with them.
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Post by coachdawhip on Apr 5, 2006 21:51:24 GMT -6
We give out rules sheets. Because the kids lost the playbooks
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Post by goldenbear76 on Apr 6, 2006 8:47:30 GMT -6
I give my kids a packet each week, vs the team we playing. We only do 6-7 running plays. So if a team runs a 3-3 AND a 4-2. I will give them 2 pages on the 2 different Defenses. Only Oline/TE's get this though. It seems to have helped, I can't remember a game we lost due to missed assignments, and thats all I can ask.
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Post by coachf on Apr 6, 2006 9:11:17 GMT -6
We give out playbooks and number them to ensure return. They were a great help this year, but I don't know if it is worth the amount of work or time I put into it.
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Post by texasokie on Apr 6, 2006 9:29:38 GMT -6
IMHO...playbooks look like you're doing something to the outside, but realistically, kids are more concerned about other things to take up their free time with. I think an organized, well ran, simple practice that reps the kids to death with half-line drill during group, a full period or 2 of individual, and rapid fire several huddle offenses going against one defense is a better approach.
The more senses they get involved, the faster they pick up on things. An organized practice plan and sticking to it all practice accomplishes more. When a time period is done, move onto the next. Speak with the coaches and see what they need time for the next day before anyone leaves for the day so they will know what to plan time in for the next day.
Have the coaches come up with a written plan for what they do each day...like a mini lesson plan. It wwill help CYA in the event of parent complaints or anything else. You will also have drills on file for future coaches to use who come in later on. If the assistants will make up drills and put them on cards to keep in a file, then all they have to do is list the drills they will do that day. I know it sounds like alot, but is no big deal after you get used to it...it also forces your staff to pursue new ways of doing things...the last thing they want you to see is the same drill being repeated over and over all year long. I think it helps your coaching staff grow professionally. That to me is more important than giving kids a playbook. Just my .02.
If kids are engaged actively in high intensity practices that find ways to get all kids in and after it, then they will learn faster than if they read about it. Would you rather ride in a car with a teenager who has been behind the wheel and has experience driving, or get behind the wheel with someone who has been watching people drive all the time and have read about it in a book?
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Post by groundchuck on Apr 6, 2006 9:33:51 GMT -6
We have a full playbook for the coaches but do not hand it out to the kids. I used to hand out a playbook but they got lost or the kids just left them in thier lockers. We do give them playsheets. For example recievers, backs, and QBs would get a sheet with the passing tree. Linemen would get a sheet with blocking rules and some diagrams illustrating those rules. But that is about it. If we put something new in later in year on offense I might draw that up and hand it out. Same for defense. If we are seeing a team that does some different stuff on offense or we are running a slightly different front then I might draw up our D alignments to thier formations.
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Post by coachcalande on Apr 6, 2006 10:08:51 GMT -6
IMHO...playbooks look like you're doing something to the outside, but realistically, kids are more concerned about other things to take up their free time with. I think an organized, well ran, simple practice that reps the kids to death with half-line drill during group, a full period or 2 of individual, and rapid fire several huddle offenses going against one defense is a better approach. The more senses they get involved, the faster they pick up on things. An organized practice plan and sticking to it all practice accomplishes more. When a time period is done, move onto the next. Speak with the coaches and see what they need time for the next day before anyone leaves for the day so they will know what to plan time in for the next day. Have the coaches come up with a written plan for what they do each day...like a mini lesson plan. It wwill help CYA in the event of parent complaints or anything else. You will also have drills on file for future coaches to use who come in later on. If the assistants will make up drills and put them on cards to keep in a file, then all they have to do is list the drills they will do that day. I know it sounds like alot, but is no big deal after you get used to it...it also forces your staff to pursue new ways of doing things...the last thing they want you to see is the same drill being repeated over and over all year long. I think it helps your coaching staff grow professionally. That to me is more important than giving kids a playbook. Just my .02. If kids are engaged actively in high intensity practices that find ways to get all kids in and after it, then they will learn faster than if they read about it. Would you rather ride in a car with a teenager who has been behind the wheel and has experience driving, or get behind the wheel with someone who has been watching people drive all the time and have read about it in a book? to me, it doesnt have to be an either or thing...do this AND give out playbooks...reps on the field and I always tell the kids "look up ray 38 sweep for tomorrows practice"...they can peek at it and have a clue as to their assignment before we hit the grass....they know they will be quized on their rule as soon as i see em in the lockerroom or in the hallways.
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Post by coachseven on Apr 6, 2006 10:26:22 GMT -6
We don't give out playbooks to kids. However, we have them available for them to look at and if a kid wants one we will gladly give them one.
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Post by saintrad on Apr 6, 2006 10:39:29 GMT -6
i did hand out playbooks once, but as everyone else has said, they were never used the way they were needed to. I will blame myself for that.
I have become to believe as Joe Bugel does, a playbook looks reall pretty to those outside of the program or to those that dont know football. Plus, they take a lot of time away fromt eh actual practice of football.
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Post by lochness on Apr 6, 2006 10:39:57 GMT -6
We make position "manuals" that each position coach pulls from our main playbook. They typically include all of the "system" and playcalling information, some basic drills, and then information that is critical to their position.
For example, every "manual" will contain the following:
Series and Play list Offensive Terminology Huddle Procedure Offensive Formations Hole Numbering / Position Designation Play Calling Prodedure Audible Procedure
Then, each position gets their own book. They may look something like this:
RB Book: Skill and fundamental drills to be run in-season All running plays (Backfield Technique section) broken down into series RB pass protections RB pass routes
WR Book: Alignment rules Passing Tree Blocking rules All Pass plays
OL BOOK: Defensive recognission sheets Blocking Schemes / Rules vs. 4 or 5 common defensive fronts Play list by blocking scheme (ie: these 3 plays are "Traps" and therefore blocked the same) Blocking call definitions In-season drill book
QB's typically get the entire playbook.
So we have a happy medium. We don't give each kid the entire book. We have the position coaches select what they want to give the kids as a packet and we hand that out at the beginning of the season. We can then add to it if necessary as the season moves along.
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Post by jhanawa on Apr 6, 2006 13:42:42 GMT -6
We used to give them out with mixed results, now we've gone modern and give out CD-roms with playbook & slide shows & film included in it. We also have whiteboard sessions with notes.
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Post by airman on Apr 6, 2006 20:10:48 GMT -6
I read were john wooden used to give his kids a 3 ring binder. it had one page in it the first day, each day he had a page or two which was given to the players and put into the 3 ring binder.
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Post by groundchuck on Apr 7, 2006 6:22:50 GMT -6
The position manuals are a good idea, and it is kind of what we do with just handing the line a sheet of blocking rules and some diagrams; the RB/QB/REC get the passing stuff etc. It keeps it simple.
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Post by coach31 on Apr 7, 2006 10:22:54 GMT -6
I used to go to the trouble of writing, copying, binding, and handing out a playbook to each of our players. They professional looking book I worked so hard on eneding up covered in mold (our kids are not big on showering after practice) in their lockers at the end of the year. Now I am going to use the workbook idea and have the kids build their own playbooks during the summer install period. We'll see if this is a better idea.
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Post by jonnyboy on Apr 7, 2006 12:48:23 GMT -6
kids keep a notebook
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Post by joepafan on Apr 7, 2006 19:55:44 GMT -6
We just had our HC released in part because the parents never saw a playbook, notes, or any scouting reports. FUNNY - at the end of the season, we cleaned out the lockers and we found many pages and scouting notes that the kids never took out of the locker room.
One of my first posts on this site, but I've been watching for several months! This is the best site on the net!
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Post by airman on Apr 7, 2006 20:01:41 GMT -6
how many of you guys make your players clean out their lockers?
i mean, sounds like you guys find this stuff in their lockers after the season is over.
in the programs I have been a part of, the kids clean out their lockers, even scrub them and clean the football locker room after season is over.
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Post by 3nout on Apr 11, 2006 9:28:47 GMT -6
We require starting as freshman that you have a 3 ring binder. Around here you dont want to be the guy that show up with out your notebook!! Through out the season I will hand out plays or maybe just quotes for motovation. It's not the fact they we want to cram them with even more info and extra books to carry but we want to reinforce our message of responsibility..preperation..acountability. You also want to prepare these guys for the next level, lets face it going to be the same way in college.
As a HC you should had out at least a policy and procedure manual( CYA!)
As far as X&0 Im a firm believer of keeping it simple, On D we will also hand out a packet with our goals and objectives...terms..Position Responsibilties(Stance,1st 2 steps,Hand placement)..Alignment/Assisngment....Base formations(indivisdual sheets with 3 spaces so they redraw the formation...Base formation vs formation we plan againts....DB coverages/Adjustments...Blitz/Stunts Package...Quotes. We intorduce everything in progressions so they must keep up with the notebooks. The entire D packet is no more than 50-60 pages. You dont wont information overload but it is extremly important that everyone understands what you are trying to do.
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Post by dhooper on Apr 19, 2006 10:14:01 GMT -6
I don't hand out play books. I make the kids bring a note book and take notes. I plan on giving a short written test during two a days and spring ball. I'll see how it goes. But I agree kids loose them. Also I agree this is the best web site. I'm at a small 3 a school and there not many people to talk football with. Its nice to having this web site.
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Post by shermdog on Apr 20, 2006 9:18:05 GMT -6
Our kids would lose their head if it was not attached. It would be just a weekly play sheet.
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Post by nexthc on Apr 20, 2006 20:25:24 GMT -6
We do not hand out playbooks to the players.
1) They will lose them 2) They will be left in the locker room all year and dust on then when you clean out the locker room 3) TRANSFERS!!! Next thing you know, one (if not all) of your opponents in your conference or league has your playbook
For us, this is why we do not hand out playbooks.... however we will have weekly scouting reports for the players, usually only a few sheet long.
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Post by Mav on Apr 21, 2006 6:39:14 GMT -6
We're talking about going to electronic playbooks/player manuals this year using Powerpoint(animation, video clips, voice over,etc). Each player will have to login to the secure website and download the information that's relavent to him. Another benefit of electronic playbooks is you can make them unprintable and set expiration dates on the files.
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