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Post by postcrack on Oct 22, 2011 18:00:27 GMT -6
Do you have your players take a knee during an injury? Seems like everyone does it now. Who all has their kids do it/doesn't do it?
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Post by fantom on Oct 22, 2011 18:08:37 GMT -6
I can't remember not doing it. What else are you supposed to do?
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Post by wingtol on Oct 22, 2011 18:31:44 GMT -6
We have had some debate about that this season. I think it depends, we had a kid cramp up and parents were shouting for us to take a knee. Not real sure that is a situation where we should take a knee, now if a kid is really banged up yeah take a knee.
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Post by fballcoachg on Oct 22, 2011 20:16:53 GMT -6
The only other time I don't think it happens is if it's the QB, your backup needs to get some snaps and warmup.
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Post by coachbdud on Oct 22, 2011 20:22:19 GMT -6
i hate it
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Post by fantom on Oct 22, 2011 20:31:19 GMT -6
Oh, maybe I misunderstood. You mean the whole team takes a knee, including guys not in the game?
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Post by cqmiller on Oct 22, 2011 21:59:05 GMT -6
I hate it... use it as a timeout. Had a parent of one of my players screaming from the stands that my kids need to take a knee when the other team's player had a cramp and I had them come over to the sideline.
I never see college teams doing anything like that unless it is a REALLY bad injury.
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Post by coachriley on Oct 23, 2011 1:09:00 GMT -6
I would only think to have them take a knee if it is really bad, like the kid isnt moving at all or is writhing in pain from a lower body injury. If it is a sprain or something like that, why not coach your own guys up.
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Post by calkayne on Oct 23, 2011 5:35:06 GMT -6
We take a knee, as do most teams around. We do it as a sign of respect to the injured player. Though it also allows our players to regather themselves and communicate between whistles.
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Post by postcrack on Oct 23, 2011 8:11:50 GMT -6
Yes, if a BAD injury...take a knee. Everything else stay on your feet and be ready to get a little coaching and ready to go.
I absolutely hate the take a knee every time someone goes down for a cramp.
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Post by fantom on Oct 23, 2011 8:29:35 GMT -6
I'm still puzzled. The guys on the sideline are supposed to take a knee, too?
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Post by fballcoachg on Oct 23, 2011 8:48:09 GMT -6
Yes, I see whole teams take knees when a player is on the ground not getting up. It is something that teams do for "respect" just like clapping when the player gets off the field which I never understood either. I think it is just something that has been done for so long that everyone around here does it.
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Post by fantom on Oct 23, 2011 9:25:28 GMT -6
Yes, I see whole teams take knees when a player is on the ground not getting up. It is something that teams do for "respect" just like clapping when the player gets off the field which I never understood either. I think it is just something that has been done for so long that everyone around here does it. OK, that's what threw me off. That I've never seen. Doesn't make any sense to me.
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Post by coachguy83 on Oct 23, 2011 9:56:13 GMT -6
We do it at the youth level as a show of sportsmanship, but also because the parents get ticked when we don't. I don't think it takes away from you ability to coach your guys up if you tell them to come over to the sidelines before taking a knee.
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Post by blb on Oct 23, 2011 9:58:13 GMT -6
If a guy's down for a long time (i.e. potential head-neck injury) that requires ambulance we'll have kids on sideline kneel too.
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Post by ajreaper on Oct 23, 2011 9:59:54 GMT -6
The take a knee practice started in youth football- if a player goes down there is no trainer, its the coaches who deal with injuries so the question was what do you have a bunch of 11 year olds do while the coaches are tending to the injuried player? They had them take a knee and be still in a show of respect- LOL, but it was all about keeping the kids on the sideline under control while the coaches were busy. It was never something we did as players, you don't see college teams do this as a matter of course but it's entered high schools through the youth leagues because parents and players have become conditioned to it. As a HC I always let the players do as they saw fit during an injury- take a knee or remain standing (some players do not want "sit" still they want to keep moving around- nervous energy or whatever) my last season my principle directed us to have all players take a knee during injury time outs so that is what we did.
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Post by calkayne on Oct 24, 2011 8:01:39 GMT -6
If its a Team/District/League Tradition why stop it?
Heck I've seen players on and off the field take a knee, join hands and pray for the injured even if the injury was to an opposing player. What could possibly be wrong with that?
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Post by John Knight on Oct 24, 2011 8:28:42 GMT -6
Put me with coach dcohio, that is peewee BS and should not be expected in Varsity football or any other level of interscholastic sports.
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Post by fantom on Oct 24, 2011 8:31:07 GMT -6
Put me with coach dcohio, that is peewee BS and should not be expected in Varsity football or any other level of interscholastic sports. I've been involved in varsity football since 1967 and I've never even heard of this.
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Post by billyclydepuckett on Oct 24, 2011 9:06:33 GMT -6
Just another example of the "Symbolism over substance" path that our society has taken.
If there is something REALLY serious, or an ambulance is on the field I get it. But come on, EVERYONE takes a knee everytime lil Johnny rolls an ankle?
Child please.
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Post by ajreaper on Oct 24, 2011 10:05:01 GMT -6
If its a Team/District/League Tradition why stop it? Heck I've seen players on and off the field take a knee, join hands and pray for the injured even if the injury was to an opposing player. What could possibly be wrong with that? Taking a knee should be like praying- if you choose to do it that's fine but try being at a public school and directing everyone to "pray" for any reason.
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Post by coachorr on Oct 24, 2011 11:59:15 GMT -6
We take a knee and I think it is idiotic, what is it showing exactly? I must be dense, but that isn't a sword I want to fall on, so I let them continue to do it.
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Post by postcrack on Oct 24, 2011 12:03:04 GMT -6
I knew that I wasn't alone in realizing the stupidity in it.
Thanks for reaffirming boys. However, I don't dare try and change it now. I'm the low man on totem pole, but, I will file it away for when I'm the big Ka-hoe-nay!
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Post by wybulldogs on Jan 19, 2012 22:53:36 GMT -6
We don't take a knee, I do have my players get out of the way though. I use it as a time out. I ask the refs if my managers can take out water. I also have my players on the field come to the numbers, so that we can talk to them. We either use that time to make an adjustment, calm them down, or if it's one of my players, my assistants sort out the substitution, as I'm on the field with the injured player.
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Post by klawo on Jan 20, 2012 0:39:14 GMT -6
We dont do it unless there is ambulance or paramedic on a field but if we do it players always gathers round me so we can chat a while
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Post by mariner42 on Jan 20, 2012 0:47:40 GMT -6
There was a massive blowup this year in our league over a coach having a 'no knees' policy and his qb defying that when a friend on an opposing team got injured. If you google "Alvarez high Michael turner" you should be able to see the news reports of the ensuing drama, which included pulled knives, concealed guns, and death threats. Sh!t went crazy down here.
Bottom line, I think it is forced sportsmanship and unnecessary. But not so much so as to freak out over it if a kid felt it was truly necessary.
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Post by JVD on Jan 20, 2012 6:53:43 GMT -6
I like it. We have them take their hat off too.
It does show respect and sportsmenship. We are out there to do more than just win football games.....
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Post by lochness on Jan 20, 2012 7:25:10 GMT -6
Everybody in our league does it...again, if it is a serious injury. I've never given it a second thought. Besides, how bad would it look if we were the only team NOT doing that?
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Post by Coach JR on Jan 20, 2012 8:17:17 GMT -6
Everybody here does it too. I don't get it for the average 1 play off "injury". The vast majority of our teams "injuries" occurred when they had a bad play, either a no gain run, a fumble, or missed tackled giving up a long play. We started to notice, if our D gave up a long run, we'd typically have a couple of guys laying on the ground at the end of the play. They'd always be kids that had missed a tackle too. 1 play off, then back in. But no matter which side it was, if kid went down, and laid there long enough to cause some staff to run on the field, there were coaches on both benches yelling "take a knee".
There are different levels of respect. There's respect rules, rules, and in football there's respect for spirit of the game, basic human respect you show people on the street through courtesy, and then there's respect for someone you know that has EARNED it through their character and actions.
In football, you "show respect" to your opponent by playing clean, and within the rules. That's it, that's all you owe your opponent. A contrived "show of respect" is just that, and it's meaningless except to show that you conform, which makes it about you, not the one you're supposedly giving respect to.
With all that said, it's not that important in the big scheme, and I guess if I'm ever the HC, I'll conform just to go along since it's not something that would really have a big effect on the game.
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Post by wybulldogs on Jan 20, 2012 8:32:12 GMT -6
I'm against it for a number of reasons...
1. The vast majority of the time, the injured player is down for something trivial. I think it was Bill Parcells injury rule, something about you had better be injured if you make me run out on the field. I tell my players a toned down version of that every year during camp. Hurt happens, toughen up. 2. Players taking the knee always do it too close to the injured player, and you end up having to tell them to move away. 3. It's a waste of time, they just kneel there staring at the player on the ground.
I'd rather use that time to keep them focused on the game. Bring them over to the numbers, coach them up. I've always seen it as a PeeWee football thing. Let them do it down there.
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