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Post by xxlbulldog on Jun 12, 2007 19:31:29 GMT -6
What should be expected of assistants during summer break? I am not going to elaborate on our situation. I thought it would be more enlightening if ya'll spoke from your individual situations and perspectives. We are a larger school with 7 paid assistants in addition to the HC.
The issue with me is not whether or not they are paid or not paid. I am interested what a coach should be willing to do to help improve himself and his players, extra pay or not.
Thanks
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 12, 2007 20:14:23 GMT -6
I think whatever the HC tells the assistants they will be doing during the summer is what should be expected. My past experiences usually had 2 coaches monitoring summer lifting, and everyone in attendance at a once weekly practice.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2007 20:23:33 GMT -6
This is coming from an assistant's point of view: I feel assistants should be very involved with the summer program--monitoring weights, on the field workouts, 7 on 7s, etc. Summer is summer and not the season, so vacations and such may come up, but an assistant should be very involved. I guess it's up to the HC to decide what "very involved" means.
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Post by brophy on Jun 12, 2007 20:29:18 GMT -6
paid or not
coordinator or not
everyone should be involved in everything.period
what legitimate excuse is there to the contrary?
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Post by coachbdud on Jun 12, 2007 20:35:59 GMT -6
at my school, 1-2 monitor our weights. then after weights our team goes full gear on the field, and all of our coaches are expected to be there. It is ok for assitants to take a lil time off or go on vacation for a week or whatever. But they should be there for as much as possible.
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Post by deaux68 on Jun 12, 2007 21:04:11 GMT -6
Good question. This has been a debate on our team for awhile, mainly because of two guys but that's neither here nor there.
We decided it all before spring training and had a staff meeting about it:
We lift four days a week. Two days are offensive coaches days to observe weights, the other two are defense days. Now I'm up there all four days just cause I feel like I should be, but it does give the other guys a break. We have 12 assistants total so we get pretty good coverage. There is no cheating in our weight room.
Also, two days a week (three in July) we "practice" at 11am to get the ready for the heat. We practice for an hour and then do 7 on 7. I guess we won't know until August but I think it is really helping with the heat.
By the way, we have a little weather warning thing for T-storms and the such. It also gives the temperature and heat index. When we hit the field on Monday it said 101 and the index was 108. Gotta love a Tuscaloosa summer.
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Post by fbdoc on Jun 13, 2007 7:51:14 GMT -6
As the HC, if you want your assistants involved during the summer then tell them up front. That way there are no mis-understandings. If they are teachers, then other than a week or two of family vacation, there shouldn't be any reason that they can't be involved. If they are walk-on coaches who work during the day, obviously that will impact whether or not they can participate in the summer (this is our situation). Talk about it upr front. Let them know what the expectation is, and move forward.
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Post by lochness on Jun 13, 2007 8:06:20 GMT -6
When I was coaching HS ball as an assistant, my involvement was as follows:
1. Monitor Weight Room (we rotate so you're assigned about 1 per week min.)
2. Run summer league practices (2 per week)
3. Attend all coach's meetings
4. Hold Offensive Clinics for other assistant coaches (as Coordinator)
5. Coach 7-on-7 passing league
6. Attend any local skills camps (usually held at local colleges, etc.) that we are sending a good group of kids to
I think that's all pretty standard.
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Post by tigerpc on Jun 13, 2007 9:42:34 GMT -6
How many of y'all coach in Texas? We can't do half of what y'all are talking about. We can do a summer conditioning/strength camp 4 days out of the week, but can't do anything as far as working with the kids on the field, having them in gear, etc.
We have 3 coaches who do the summer camp & a few volunteers who help (mostly former athletes of ours). Other than that, the other coaches are allowed to do what they please as long as they come around every once & awhile.
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Post by phantom on Jun 13, 2007 13:01:02 GMT -6
also from an assistant's point of view (DC)...how do you expect the kids to be at everything if you don't expect the coaches to be there? Every coach, paid or volunteer, at every weightlifting, every mini-camp, every 7 on 7. Obviously conflicts arise and sometimes some coaches miss but that is the exception rather than the rule. as a coordinator I have some issues trusting any coach who isn't around like I think he should be. That's how I see it, to. There will be vacations, of course, but we schedule them ahead of times. Obviously, guys who aren't teachers may have job issues but our summer coaching obligations aren't that strenuous. We lift/condition Mondays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays from 6-8 PM, we'll attend two passing tournaments, and we'll meet a couple of times right before practice starts in August. |
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Post by wingtol on Jun 13, 2007 15:03:51 GMT -6
I guess we are set up totally different here but June is usually just a month of lifting. When July starts we have workouts three nights a week for 2 hours, basically practice with no contact, in helmets. So come July Asst. Coaches are expected to be at all the workouts.
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Post by phantom on Jun 13, 2007 16:49:47 GMT -6
We are set up differently. In Virginia we can't practice until August.
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Post by midlineqb on Jun 13, 2007 18:21:52 GMT -6
I guess we are set up totally different here but June is usually just a month of lifting. When July starts we have workouts three nights a week for 2 hours, basically practice with no contact, in helmets. So come July Asst. Coaches are expected to be at all the workouts. wingtol, where do you coach? That sounds like a great situation where you're able to practice and put in offensive or defensive concepts. |
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Post by wingtol on Jun 13, 2007 18:56:51 GMT -6
I guess we are set up totally different here but June is usually just a month of lifting. When July starts we have workouts three nights a week for 2 hours, basically practice with no contact, in helmets. So come July Asst. Coaches are expected to be at all the workouts. wingtol, where do you coach? That sounds like a great situation where you're able to practice and put in offensive or defensive concepts. PA |
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Post by tothehouse on Jun 13, 2007 20:17:50 GMT -6
5:45am workouts until 8am. M-Th. A couple camps. All coaches go to all mornings. Our motto is..."we do everything together". Players and coaches.
Calendar of the summer is given out in January so parents can plan vacations and such. From middle of July to the start of fall practice in August there is optional lifting two days a week.
We can do this because we have a football PE class which allows us to "practice" 180 days a year during the school year.
Coaches are pushed almost as hard as the players. Some new guys have a hard time adjusting to the demands. Some of us who have been around have a hard time adjusting. We give a lot.
The summer time is also the coaches time to bring in auction items for the annual silent/live auction in the fall. We are required to get 10 items into the auction and 20 people to attend.
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Post by tog on Jun 13, 2007 20:38:16 GMT -6
figure out when you will not be there
otherwise
work your ass off
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Post by Coach Huey on Jun 13, 2007 21:17:35 GMT -6
other than having the youth camp, weight room / conditioning program, league 7 on 7, and weekend 7 on 7 what else is there really to do? i mean, crap, you just went an entire spring of football and still need to work like a dog in june & july? lol, doesn't sound very efficient to me ...  divide up the duties accordingly and be done with it |
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Post by coachjd on Jun 13, 2007 21:26:44 GMT -6
Most states don't have spring ball, so we get the summer to work with the kids.
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Post by mountie94 on Jun 13, 2007 22:36:39 GMT -6
A lot of us talk to our kids about setting their priorities up properly, like: faith, family, school, football. Over the past couple of years, I have really looked myself in the mirror, and made sure that I was taking time with my FAMILY during the summer. We go three nights a week during the summer (5-8), with passing leagues or tournaments every weekend in June and also intermittently during the week. I decided that my wife puts up with enough from August to December that during the summer, I was not going to kill myself to attend every team function. Now, I love football and coaching as much as anyone on here, but I think that we have to draw a line somewhere. I have done the never-miss-a-day offseason (ex. - gave up a trip to Italy two summers ago), and have seen my efforts blow up in my face, and I can say that I will NEVER do it again.
And as far as the earlier comment of "how do you expect your players to attend everything if your coaches don't", I will respond this way: the kids are the ones who have to play the games!! We end up telling ours at least once every year that it is their team, and it is up to them to get their teammates to commit or to cut them loose. We tell them that the coaches have had teams in the past, and will have other teams in the future, but they (Seniors) only have this one team, so they had better make the most of it. Giving them ownership in this way inspires them to push each other. Coaching is about the kids, so give them some responsiblity for their outcome. Some of you are probably going to call me a pu$&y, but someday you may come to the same place I have.
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Post by CoachDaniel on Jun 14, 2007 20:29:52 GMT -6
We go 3 days a week 6-8am in the summer for lifting and conditioning. No practices and 7 on 7 ended in the spring, other than a camp or two (I hope). We're generally expected to attend morning sessions as much as possible, but we take vacations as necessary.
I like spending all of my time on football, but I'm single. I understand why other coaches on staff aren't as involved in the off-season. As long as they get it done come August!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2007 21:49:13 GMT -6
I agree with aspects of both the last two posts. The responsibility of ownership has to be put on the players and I can totally understand why family guys will miss time in the summer. I personally feel I need to be at every practice plus my share of weight sessions, but I'm single. Don't know if I'll feel that way if/when I have a family of my own.
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Post by realdawg on Jun 15, 2007 6:26:12 GMT -6
I agree with the post about if you expect the kids to be there, coaches should be too. We work out and practice 3 days a week in the summer, and the kids can miss 3 days. This way if they go on vacation for a week they do not get punished. So its resonable to expect a coach to be there at least that same number of days.
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Post by coachcb on Jun 15, 2007 8:27:13 GMT -6
There's nothin that bugs me more than assistants who have the summer off (they teach) yet don't feel the need to be around.
If they've got the time; they need to be there. Hell, the summer before the last year I coached HS ball, I was there at 5:30am, worked with the S&C, went to work at 8am, worked an 8 hour day and came back for an afternoon session at 5pm.
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Post by CVBears on Jun 15, 2007 8:47:41 GMT -6
For us during the summer, if you're in town, you're at the workout/practice. Plus this year we have the entire week off for the Fourth of July.
In my opinion, coaches make the choice to coach. They should do it full throttle or nothing at all. I expect maximum effort out of our kids at all times, why should it be different for coaches?
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Post by Coach Huey on Jun 15, 2007 8:54:13 GMT -6
agree ... if there is something to be done, get up there and do it (workouts, pracitces, 7on7, etc.). utilize time (meetings) throughout the school year so there is little need for 'senseless' meetings during the summer.
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Post by fbdoc on Jun 15, 2007 9:09:56 GMT -6
Once again, it goes back to communication. When the assistant came on board there should have been an a point in the discussion about what was involved. Even if they were hired late in the season and the summer schedule wasn't discussed then, it should have been covered BEFORE school dismissed for the summer! The HC needs to tell the staff exactly what is involved so these questions don't come up.
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Post by coach16 on Jun 15, 2007 9:19:57 GMT -6
I feel that the HC should divide up the responsibilities of the weight room and conditioning to all assistants evenly. This will allow time for the coaches to take a vacation and spend time with his family. Even if you are single you still will eventually need some type of break. An older coach once told me to get away from the field house when you do not have to be there. This especially important if you are planning to go deep in the playoffs every year!
As the OC I feel it is my duty to never miss a 7 on 7 practice or game. The assistant coaches should also be there unless they are off or on vaction for that week
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Post by ajreaper on Jun 15, 2007 9:29:09 GMT -6
During the summer for both players and coaches it is normal to expect people to travel, go on vactions etc. That's one thing summers are for. My expectation for players is if you are in town you make all scheduled workouts, practices, & camps period. If you are leaving town you communicate that to me in advance- I tell them it's like a job if you cannot be at work you must communicate that to your boss or risk losing your job. We also get dates out early in the spring for camp and the start of practice so parents can plan accordingly and most do make sure their family vacations around those dates. In regard to my coaches- if an assistant is a HC for another sport and running his own summer activities I tell them to focus on that and they should. We have great participation from our coaches without making it a "requirement" if I need to force that then how badly do I want them coaching come the fall?
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Post by dolomite on Jun 15, 2007 13:03:05 GMT -6
My opinion is that any of your head guys/frosh head, soph head, coordinators, should not miss a beat. I pride myself in "putting in my time. I don't schedule things that interfere with our summer workouts. Too often I've seen guys that are satisfied with just showing up year to year. They do nothing to prepare themselves in the off season. I am constantly looking for ways to enhance my knowledge. Some guys don't get that coaching is teaching. It's not enough to show up. IMO, it is another full time commitment in my life. I take it as seriously as I do my full time job. I, unfortunately, realize that not everybody takes their responsibilities as serious as I. I believe there is no excuse, short of health or family issues, that a coach should take a vacation during training sessions. Usually the summer is chopped up enough before August that one can get a vacation in with his family. In our state we have a limited amount of contact days that our teams can have before our official practices in August.
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Post by dolomite on Jun 15, 2007 13:06:16 GMT -6
We have great participation from our coaches without making it a "requirement" if I need to force that then how badly do I want them coaching come the fall? Great point!!! ;D ;D ;D |
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