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Post by raider7342 on Mar 5, 2007 9:54:50 GMT -6
how many of you feel like you know a lot of football? i thought i did but the more i have gone to clinics and looked at post on this site the more i realize i dont know. where did you go to get the knowledge you now have? what can i do to catch up?
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Post by realdawg on Mar 5, 2007 10:09:51 GMT -6
You can know alot and still not know it all. There is so much out there to learn. If you want to learn more just keep doing what you are doing, hang around here and go to clinics. Talk with other coaches meet with college coaches when possible.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Mar 5, 2007 10:18:05 GMT -6
This is why I love football- every clinic I go to, every coach I pick brains with brings me down a notch and reminds me that I'm no expert- just a student of the game. It is forever changing and evolving, and we are not really inventing new stuff, just adapting what has already been developed.
Keep asking questions, paying attention to what people have to say. I always learn something- maybe it will be something as simple as verbage or an easier way to teach something to a kid, but I love to hear what other coaches have to say.
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Post by playfast on Mar 5, 2007 10:36:13 GMT -6
Ask questions and get out and meet other coaches. The game is always changing. Any tips that you can add to your scheme or philosophy is going to make you, your staff, and players better. You can never know to much.
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Post by joboo59 on Mar 5, 2007 10:38:11 GMT -6
A rule of thumb for my life (post high school)...
The more I know the more I know how much I do not know!
In other words...stupid people thing they know it all because they are not smart enough to realize they are stupid.
I love to learn about football....Having a little bit of knowledge in many different areas and schemes of the game make me feel more comfortable when I see something new on film.
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Post by bulldog on Mar 5, 2007 10:50:09 GMT -6
One of the best ways to improve your knowledge is to take advanatage of the standing offer that most colleges extend - to visit their program, to watch their cutups in their filmroom, to be on the field during their practices, and to meet with their coaches. Many have a program that is designed for lower-level coaches to visit them during spring training. Establishing the relationships gives you someone to call when you have questions.
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Post by dcwar on Mar 5, 2007 10:57:34 GMT -6
There are a few short cuts to knowledge: 1) Find a an experienced staff in your area and ask if they have any positions available if not, volunteer. You can have a coaching clinic everyday merely by listening and watching them work. 2) The learning curve today is much quicker than in the past due to the internet. Read everything. 3) clinics are great but IMHO going to sit down with a staff is more productive. Usually staffs will accomodate.
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Post by superpower on Mar 5, 2007 11:12:09 GMT -6
I don't remember who said it, maybe Mark Twain, but I have found it to be very true:
IT'S WHAT YOU LEARN AFTER YOU KNOW IT ALL THAT COUNTS.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Mar 5, 2007 13:28:26 GMT -6
I concluded that I reached the point where I knew a lot of football when I realized how little I knew.
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Post by briangilbert on Mar 5, 2007 13:36:12 GMT -6
If anyone knew everything there was about football what would be the point to coach it? I for one would do something more stimulating with my time, that being said there is parody in sports because an uber coach can't exist. Billy Boy has done a heck of a job in NE as an example, but not even he can sustain championships because at some point in a game another coach from another team knew something that he didn't on that particular play.
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Post by pal on Mar 5, 2007 13:44:50 GMT -6
you can never know enough....but some coaches will make you think they do.
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Post by coachjoe3 on Mar 5, 2007 14:50:18 GMT -6
I know more than I did when I started out a few years ago, but the more I learn the more I know I've barely scratched the surface. I love coaching, there's always something to learn.
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Post by ajreaper on Mar 5, 2007 14:51:32 GMT -6
The game has so many different variations it's almost impossible to know them all completely. I think most of us "KNOW" our specialty very well be it an offense or defense or the basic techniques for the positions we coach. Heck for me if you are talking spread offenses you may as well be talking brain surgery;) The game also goes through cycles where something becomes very popular then gets replaced by something else, then you have the old standards that never seem to die out (wing T) but get tweaked and updated over time. Other changes are the result of coaches learning improved ways to compete- weight training, speed/agility work etc. You can never sit back and say you are good where you are at- if you do there begins your demise.
It's why sites like this our so valuable- alot of different "experts" with years of experience. You cannot help but to learn.
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Post by dubber on Mar 5, 2007 17:22:04 GMT -6
The Delphi Oracle called Socrates the wisest man in the world----he said: "If that it is true, it is only because I claim to know nothing."
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Post by phantom on Mar 5, 2007 19:11:32 GMT -6
Learning Xs and Os is nice. Learning technique is much more important, IMO.
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 5, 2007 20:00:20 GMT -6
Wait..there is more to football than the double wing and the 3-3 stack? Wouldn't know it by visiting these boards Just kidding guys One thing you can do to learn defense is to draw everything up. Play the "what if game". What if they trade the TE. What if they motion a back out of the backfield... What if we had this called..what if we had that called. Try to beat yourself in a little X and O chess..and when you find yourself stuck in a situation you don't know how to handle, ASK OTHERS.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2007 21:14:55 GMT -6
I've made a lot of growth in the past year due to this site and general observations. I now watch college games more like a coach instead of a fan. Not something I set out to do, it's just happened. This fall will be my 6th as a coach, but it seems most of my knowledge growth has come in the past couple. That's not a slap at the first program I worked for, because I learned a lot, I've just gotten more serious about the coaching profession these last two seasons.
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Post by brophy on Mar 5, 2007 21:37:35 GMT -6
I know there is a TON of stuff I don't know. I think the big thing is guarding against yourself telling your mind that you DON'T WANT TO LEARN.
Experience is the best teacher. When you are stuck in situations that FORCE you to grow, you learn a lot quicker.
PEOPLE ARE LIKE TOOTHPASTE - YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT'S INSIDE UNTIL YOU SQUEEZE THEM.
My biggest peeve is the ga-ga treatment to fancy monikers and brand-new-things .....Basics of fundamentals are all that matter / line up anyway you want, call it what you want, the game really doesn't change a whole heckuva a lot (but that's just my opinion).
The REAL game / knowledge of coaching is getting the information into all your players and equiping them with enough tools to be successful on game night. Experience tells us that the better you instruct that player on his role, the 'better' he will perform.
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 5, 2007 21:43:13 GMT -6
Wolverine...also, as your knowledge base grows...your learning curve starts to increase exponentially. You start to know enough to really start to learn--if that makes any sense.
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Post by poweriguy on Mar 5, 2007 22:34:47 GMT -6
how many of you feel like you know a lot of football? i thought i did but the more i have gone to clinics and looked at post on this site the more i realize i dont know. I would say you are way ahead of alot of so-called coaches out there. It's truly amazing how many guys think they are the next coming of Knute Rockne or Bill Walsh.
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Post by jhanawa on Mar 5, 2007 22:56:14 GMT -6
It really doesn't matter what I know, the only thing that matters is what my kids know.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Mar 5, 2007 23:02:58 GMT -6
It really doesn't matter what I know, the only thing that matters is what my kids know. Great point.
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Post by CVBears on Mar 5, 2007 23:44:00 GMT -6
The day that I stop learning about football is the day they measure me for a pine box. I will never know enough.
I can't wait to hear about how some new coach at South West Old Upper Mountain State College in Collegetown, USA is running the new 1-1-9 defense and his T-uzi-zero line splits-air raid hybrid offense ten years from now (the old coach was probably fired for being "stuck in the old days" while running shotgun spread and a 353 defense).
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Post by spartancoach on Mar 6, 2007 5:06:21 GMT -6
"It really doesn't matter what I know, the only thing that matters is what my kids know. "
At one level, absolutely true. The kids play, not us. However, the more "knowledge" you have about various topics, the better your instincts appear to be. When you understand, really understand, what the defense is trying to accomplishment with a particular look/stunt/blitz/stem, and you know, really know, your offense inside and out, your instinctive decisions on game day are much better.
Personally, I have found that I started learning tons more when I opened my eyes and mind to offenses that we do not run. There is always a tidbit that you can steal to insert into what you do.
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Post by coachcalande on Mar 6, 2007 7:27:36 GMT -6
I think its pretty darn important to know WHAT YOU DO inside and out. It helps to know what the other guys is trying to do but its more important to do what you do well. I agree, its what the kids know that matters most. IN most cases, I doubt my kids can learn what the spread, wing-t, run and shoot, power I, I wing, pro I, aces, flex bone and double wing guys are trying to do in a week. But they had better know what we want to do, why we do it and how to get er done. Our coaching staff had better know how others will defend us and what to do about it, and theyd better know what others will do to attack our weaknesses and how to take advatage of that knowledge. I couldnt tell you diddly about "the air raid" or "bunch" attacks, but I can speak comfortably and confident about the stuff we do. Sort of like playing chess, I dont have to memorize every opening under the sun, I play my game and stay in my comfort zone and can get to an end game against almost anyone...except ted seay lol.
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Post by bluecrazy on Mar 6, 2007 7:49:29 GMT -6
What I'm getting here is very good info. I totally agree with coachcalande, that you must know what you do inside and out. I learn allot from this board, and what I get from going to clinics, and college practices. I always pick up something. But I have come to the realization that you must do what you do very well, and not worry so much about the competition. you just make minor adjustments.We are a small school, and don't get a good scout team. As others said here, you can't know every offense inside & out, but you must be damn good at what you do. I'm always learning, I love the game and still learn everyday. So what I get from this thread is know what you do, and do it well, but keep learning the game. There is always something to pick up. Some well said thoughts here. bluecrazy
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Post by jhanawa on Mar 6, 2007 10:54:09 GMT -6
There is always a tidbit that you can steal to insert into what you do. Good Point. This is the recurring genesis of football, "borrowing" ideas into your system. My comment above about the importance of what my kids know isn't to imply that we "dumb it down" or are locked into one method of doing things, in fact we are far from that. We are always looking for better ways to do things technique wise and strategy wise.
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Post by gacoach on Sept 28, 2007 10:00:31 GMT -6
The day that I stop learning about football is the day they measure me for a pine box. I will never know enough. I can't wait to hear about how some new coach at South West Old Upper Mountain State College in Collegetown, USA is running the new 1-1-9 defense and his T-uzi-zero line splits-air raid hybrid offense ten years from now (the old coach was probably fired for being "stuck in the old days" while running shotgun spread and a 353 defense). I love this. But, we'll be back to the wishbone by then.
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Post by coachcalande on Sept 28, 2007 10:17:18 GMT -6
THE INTERNET AND CLINICS, VIDEOS AND BOOKS, DISCUSSING THINGS ON THE PHONE, BREAKING DOWN FILM...AND ALOT OF IT.
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Post by tedseay on Oct 1, 2007 6:11:04 GMT -6
Sort of like playing chess, I dont have to memorize every opening under the sun, I play my game and stay in my comfort zone and can get to an end game against almost anyone...except ted seay lol. Thanks, bud, your check's in the mail.
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