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Post by oldwarrior on Apr 18, 2007 12:49:07 GMT -6
I threw in college most of those female throwers were twice the man I was
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Post by couldbeliftin on Apr 18, 2007 13:04:52 GMT -6
IMO society is screwing up by gender blending. Men and Woomen are designed for different functions. Men are designed to hunt and conquer and provide safety for his family, that is why we are naturally bigger and stronger than women. Women on the other hand are designed to be nurturers, to make us feel loved, for cuddling, and taking care of our boo boos in a sweet way that is why they produce breast milk and we don't. With society blending the gender roles and our bodies abiity to adapt, then I would say it won't be long before guys are lactating and breast feeding, while the women is at the game.
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crl
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Post by crl on Apr 18, 2007 16:05:11 GMT -6
hokey smokes...do I feel like a lib...which I am proud to be...but gee does left go that far?
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Post by bulldog on Apr 18, 2007 18:00:03 GMT -6
PC has invaded every area of our society. Why not football coaching?
The question really is - what is best for the team? Is one coach (vs another) better able to a) teach football, b) be part of the staff, c) lead the team/staff/position players, and d) teach young boys to become responsible men? My feeling, hire who ever is best suited for the job. Don't prove PC by hiring a gender.
And did anyone else catch the artible Brophy posted? She grabbed his arm and spun him around? Is that really how to get respect? That would have gotten her fired out here. No hands on players. Period.
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Post by herky on Apr 18, 2007 18:59:38 GMT -6
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Post by fbdoc on Apr 18, 2007 19:15:20 GMT -6
Hard to believe this one is still going. How many bad coaches have you come across in your career? Bad as in they just can't coach! One might have been a great athlete - a fantastic player, but he just can't teach the skills to the kids. Another one was a great teacher, very knowledgeable... but would always be late, frequently miss meetings, in other words - he was someone who you wouldn't / couldn't have or keep on your staff. Is it such a stretch to imagine a knowledgeable, skilled, motivated, professional coach who also happens to be a women? I don't care if she/he has 3 legs and a tail - if they can coach, they can coach!
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Post by wingman on Apr 18, 2007 21:32:35 GMT -6
Guys, it may be heresy but I think football is a fraternity. Everything else in the world now has women in it and that's fine, but not football.
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Post by coachpoe on Apr 19, 2007 14:53:17 GMT -6
if she can coach hire her...with that said I think when I was more immature and younger (my playing days), especially in high school, I would have a hard time accepting advice or respecting a female coach. I think it would be hard for a female to handle the situation and gain the players respect...but if you feel she can and is the best choice for the job then give it to her.
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Post by oldwarrior on Apr 20, 2007 7:21:37 GMT -6
Guys, it may be heresy but I think football is a fraternity. Everything else in the world now has women in it and that's fine, but not football. AMEN BROTHER!!!
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Post by oldwarrior on Apr 20, 2007 7:22:39 GMT -6
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Post by amikell on Apr 20, 2007 9:23:20 GMT -6
ok, here's one for you guys. what if a certified CSCS walks into your school, and is willing to run your weight program for you and design specific workouts based on position, age, experience, etc for your program. would you hire this person? What if it was a female? I know this isn't a football specific scenario, but isn't the weight room just as much a "fraternity" as the field. My wife is a CSCS and knows more about strength and conditioning, supplements, etc than about 99% of the football coaches I've ever met, yes including me. she is also a great teacher, so why would you turn down someone with experience, talent and knowledge just based on what was between their legs. would it be awkward/kind of wierd at first? sure it would but you'd learn to get over. btw, herky I think you and my wife have alot in common. she is also a trainer and can make a sailor blush.
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Post by lsrood on Apr 20, 2007 11:06:54 GMT -6
I'd hire the certified CSCS if she were a woman. As long as she knows her stuff and can covey it and motivat the players, that's all that should count. Same would be the case for a woman coach. If she knows her stuff and can teach and motivate her players, that's what coaching is, doesn't matter what the gender.
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Post by lsrood on Apr 20, 2007 11:14:03 GMT -6
That should be convey and motivate...I need to check my typing before I hit the Post button.
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Post by herky on Apr 20, 2007 13:40:16 GMT -6
would it be awkward/kind of wierd at first? sure it would but you'd learn to get over. I was an assistant coach for boy's and girl's power lifting this year. The kids were completely cool and responded to my direction well. At some of the meets in which we only had the boy's team compete and I was the only female coach, I caught a few looks from some coaches. They were the ones with the issues, not the student-athletes. Needless to say, I could pick out the slaps among that group. I have actually been asked by some of our boys to start a wrestling team at our school. Our kids have no issues with the gender thing. Man or woman, if they can work the program to help produce better athletes...the kids will not give a damn, believe me. The adults need to get over it if they do.
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Post by herky on Apr 20, 2007 13:41:02 GMT -6
btw, herky I think you and my wife have alot in common. she is also a trainer and can make a sailor blush. You've got yourself a good one!!
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Post by tog on Apr 20, 2007 13:42:56 GMT -6
I would hire herky here (my wife) as a head wrestling coach in a heartbeat. She knows more about wrestling than probably 99% of the wrestling coaches in Texas.
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Post by amikell on Apr 20, 2007 13:44:08 GMT -6
>>>You've got yourself a good one!! <<< you got that right.
if I have learned anything in my short education career so far it is that the kids are MUCH more flexible than the adults. they can deal w/ pretty much any one coaching as long as they know you care and are workin your tail off for them.
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Post by jhanawa on Apr 20, 2007 14:45:43 GMT -6
True story about a female weight lifting coach. Year was 1986, I was a incoming Frosh at the University of Arizona and the LB's coach was Tom Roggerman (old leather helmet Bears, gruff mean SOB- he was a great, great LB coach btw), he introduced us to the strength coach by screaming at the top of his lungs, "this is the best GdamMfkg weight coach in the GdamMfkg country, now STFU and listen to what she says, this is coach Meg Richie". There isn't a "fear of god" emocon to insert here but trust me, Roggie could get your ATTENTION! Anyway, she doesn't blush or miss a beat with his colorful introduction, she says in a strong Scottish accent, "genteelmen, tis my hope that you'll one day be as strong as I am". Trust me, she wasn't joking. Then she proceeds to demonstrate different lifts by throwing weights around like they are feathers. She was unreal strong, former Olympian. Good weight coach, she always stressed Power Cleans and I agree, Power Cleans are the most important lift for football, every other lift is secondary to cleans. Hope I didn't offense anyone with the colorful quotations.... So as I said before, its a rare, RARE situation IMO that a woman will be a good football coach because its a very different environment for them, but I know its possible in rare cases.
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Post by wingman on Apr 20, 2007 21:34:38 GMT -6
I agree. I know an excellent female strength coach. However, not football as far as I'm concerned but that's just me.
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Post by dolomite on Apr 21, 2007 18:49:35 GMT -6
Wow. I haven't met a women football coach, but would have no problem hiring one. I would give a women the same consideration as Joe blow ex-high school player. I believe that young men, for the most part, would mind their p's and q's with a women around. Gender is not an issue with kids. I believe that once they get over the fact that the coach is a woman they would work as hard for her as they do for me, and if they don't, I don't want them anyhow! I believe that young men now a days could benefit from a positive female role model. Especially minority kids. It could show them the value of respecting a woman.
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Post by dolomite on Apr 21, 2007 18:54:56 GMT -6
wow
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Post by dolomite on Apr 21, 2007 18:55:48 GMT -6
IMO society is screwing up by gender blending. Men and Woomen are designed for different functions. Men are designed to hunt and conquer and provide safety for his family, that is why we are naturally bigger and stronger than women. Women on the other hand are designed to be nurturers, to make us feel loved, for cuddling, and taking care of our boo boos in a sweet way that is why they produce breast milk and we don't. With society blending the gender roles and our bodies abiity to adapt, then I would say it won't be long before guys are lactating and breast feeding, while the women is at the game. You sound like a complete moron. A real man knows that with any strong MAN there is an equally strong woman by his side. Please don't pervert this board with your ignorance. Your embarrassing yourself.
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Post by dolomite on Apr 21, 2007 18:59:49 GMT -6
Hard to believe this one is still going. How many bad coaches have you come across in your career? Bad as in they just can't coach! One might have been a great athlete - a fantastic player, but he just can't teach the skills to the kids. Another one was a great teacher, very knowledgeable... but would always be late, frequently miss meetings, in other words - he was someone who you wouldn't / couldn't have or keep on your staff. Is it such a stretch to imagine a knowledgeable, skilled, motivated, professional coach who also happens to be a women? I don't care if she/he has 3 legs and a tail - if they can coach, they can coach! Finally, someone with some brains has interjected something worth while.
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Post by coachmoore42 on Apr 21, 2007 23:43:22 GMT -6
I'm glad that I'm not the only one bothered by the few male chauvinist remarks made on this topic. I am proud to be able to participate in a board populated by intelligent individuals.
I would hire any coach who was clearly the best for the job instantly, male or female. It has nothing to do with PC garbage. It has to do with W, as in WIN. If they are can help the program win and improve the lives of the kids involved then anyone who would deny them the opportunity is not only chauvinistic, but also selfish. The best person for the job should be hired. Be that a male softball coach, or a female defensive coordinator.
Our team is a family, not a fraternity. In my family we welcome both women and men, anyone who will do their part to make it better for everyone.
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