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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2013 3:35:42 GMT -6
No camp is going to make your kid what he is not.. The college game and the NFL do not care how fundamentally sound your kid if he has no talent, YOUR KID IS NOT GETTING A SCHOLARSHIP or DRAFTED.
It is shocking that some seem to think that if you put a kid in a camp, that all of sudden the nick sabans of the world are going to come calling.
If your son is a soph or junior and you call nick saban, they will tell you right their on the phone, they either have heard, and you will get an extended sales pitch or you will WHO? Where does he play at?....and you will never get another second from nick saban....and if you are a coach, your dreams of coaching at D-1 are dead.
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Post by morris on Oct 12, 2013 9:05:23 GMT -6
FBU is a money machine. Most of out middle school players get invites with some of those not on the field to judge anything. I can think of a ton of other camps that are cheaper and better. Also as far as making payments and such I know for a fact that NFA works with parents and coaches to get kids to camps that don't have much money. The NFA stuff is top notch and they don't mess with what you do as an offense or defense.
I've never sent a kid to hawg tough but if I could I would at least give it a shot if I could work it out. I do know there is a number of really good wing t camps and the TFS guys run great team camps. I think the NZone guys are doing that now too.
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Post by carookie on Oct 12, 2013 22:51:00 GMT -6
FWIW. Ive recently coached with a coach who does FBU. I'm not gonna try to sell anyone on it, because I never went to a camp in person and as most pointed out you aint gonna turn an avg joe into an All American in a couple days of work.
That being written, this coach (who is fairly high up in the FBU chain) is not a scam artist and is not trying steal money from people. He's a quality coach, and had to go through a pretty rigorous process just to get hired to coach at FBU; he honestly believes that the services he offers will help to make kids better football players.
Does this make it worth the $$, heck we're all pros here and we can decide that on our own. But I thought it would be fair to share what Ive seen.
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Post by coachsmi0901 on Oct 14, 2013 15:47:40 GMT -6
Sorry if this is hijacking the thread. What do you guys do when you receive stuff for combines for your players? Do you just give it to them and not say much? Knowing they are not good enough to be attending. Or do you try to talk them out of it? If we know the mail is junk and spam, we keep it from the kid. We feel like it's our responsibility to protect the kid and their parents' hard earned money. Sure, it may not be the most ethical thing to do, but as y'all know, some of the stuff we get is just ridiculous. Like, the D3, halfway across the countries' D1-priced camp EXCLUSIVELY inviting all 5 of your 3rd string secondary players. Sure, we see it rationally, but what about when we give it to the kid and they take it to the parent that already think their kid is already Johnny Manziel incarnate? There goes $300 plus the cost of travel just because a college is a snake. Our header just the other day had a 9th grade parent come up to them and tell him how their 5'5", 130 pound tailback is an SEC-caliber back because "He's been coaching pee-wee for a long time and he's never seen anyone like him". Ha, yeah bud. |
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Post by mahonz on Oct 14, 2013 16:03:22 GMT -6
No camp is going to make your kid what he is not.. The college game and the NFL do not care how fundamentally sound your kid if he has no talent, YOUR KID IS NOT GETTING A SCHOLARSHIP or DRAFTED. It is shocking that some seem to think that if you put a kid in a camp, that all of sudden the nick sabans of the world are going to come calling. If your son is a soph or junior and you call nick saban, they will tell you right their on the phone, they either have heard, and you will get an extended sales pitch or you will WHO? Where does he play at?....and you will never get another second from nick saban....and if you are a coach, your dreams of coaching at D-1 are dead. This man crush you have on Saban is pretty funny.  |
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Post by mahonz on Oct 14, 2013 16:23:38 GMT -6
Camps are cash cow's.
FBU seems no different now that they are drilling into the sub HS markets. They have figured it out. Those that wear the Rose Colored Glasses are the ones with the open checkbooks.
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Post by lucassean2 on Jan 6, 2014 20:57:45 GMT -6
I am the HC at a school that hosts an FBU camp and has done so in 2012, 2013 and will in 2014.
I do not get paid by FBU, get no kick back whatsoever, and do not get anything to promote their camp.
I can speak with first hand knowledge and say that FBU is NOT a scam.
What I can tell you is that the regional FBU camps are very skill intensive.
Players are drilled at a very fast pace over the course of three days and the coaches work very hard with each player.
The FBU coaches use on field drills, demonstrations and classroom video of each player to improve every player in camp.
I will not ever tell a family how to spend their money, but I do feel this camp is worth the money.
It is not a combine. There are no 40 times taken or agility drills timed. There are not two kids in a drill and 40 kids standing around.
FBU is a fast paced, highly organized, well run practice setting. No player is going to improve vastly in three days, but I do feel that kids that attend this camp do improve because of the specific individualized film work that each player is exposed to.
If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me.
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Post by slimbo on Apr 18, 2014 8:49:44 GMT -6
My son attended a FBU camp last year. $495.00, 3 days, commuter no overnight. He learned a lot and found it better than camps he had attended in the past and that we paid a lot more for. He is going again this year. Remember all these camps and club programs tout "NFL Coaching" or have "NFL Players Names" attached to them. they all make promises and want you to feel important. The invite means nothing other than that you were on a mailing list. The camp is great, great coaching, great environment, but use it for that. its not getting your kid a D1 scholarship but it will make your kid play to his potential.
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Post by slimbo on Apr 18, 2014 8:55:33 GMT -6
Well My thing is Everything cost money / there are several camps out there that cost 1,500 dollars for 4 days . The FBU camp cost 625 & and you can make payments of 50 dollars a month . What other camp offers that . Also to name a few Ricky Hunley / Ted Cotrel / Lorenzo Olneal / Frank Strong / Rod woodson are just a Few names of NFL players and coaches at the camp .They follow you throughout your football career collect you stats .This last NFL draft 32 FBU alumni members made it on NFL teams. WOW how many other camps or colleges are putting those numbers up on the 1st /2nd / 3rd round drafts . IDK .If you cant you wont / If you don't you never will . But is really not about us as parents its about how much will and drive your son or player will have in life that's what coaching is really about to build create strong minded individuals and that what I see the camp teaching the kids more than anything .I guess you would have to experience the Camp to understand . To take advise from a current NFL player or Coach or a 12 time pro bowler like Rod Woodson is probably more creditable than you local POPWARNER COACH/or HIGH School coach that hasn't made it to the next level . Im just saying . ( Proud Parent of a Starting HS freshman MLB 14rs old 6.0 - 210 Beast ) Who also trains at the camps FB Uknooooo !!! |
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Post by slimbo on Apr 18, 2014 8:58:57 GMT -6
My son had the same experience last year. We found there were new kids as well as seasoned ones. I did meet a lo of parents who felt there kids were too good to be there, but when I watched them I wanted to smack the parents back into reality. Of course every camp location is different. Some will be better than others due to coaches and players. Again.....for us it was worth the 500.00, but if you think your kid is a superstar who is too good for this camp, then that fine, but you have to know that reality may eventually bite you!
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Post by sohistar99 on May 20, 2014 13:13:49 GMT -6
Well My thing is Everything cost money / there are several camps out there that cost 1,500 dollars for 4 days . The FBU camp cost 625 & and you can make payments of 50 dollars a month . What other camp offers that . Also to name a few Ricky Hunley / Ted Cotrel / Lorenzo Olneal / Frank Strong / Rod woodson are just a Few names of NFL players and coaches at the camp .They follow you throughout your football career collect you stats .This last NFL draft 32 FBU alumni members made it on NFL teams. WOW how many other camps or colleges are putting those numbers up on the 1st /2nd / 3rd round drafts . IDK .If you cant you wont / If you don't you never will . But is really not about us as parents its about how much will and drive your son or player will have in life that's what coaching is really about to build create strong minded individuals and that what I see the camp teaching the kids more than anything .I guess you would have to experience the Camp to understand . To take advise from a current NFL player or Coach or a 12 time pro bowler like Rod Woodson is probably more creditable than you local POPWARNER COACH/or HIGH School coach that hasn't made it to the next level . Im just saying . ( Proud Parent of a Starting HS freshman MLB 14rs old 6.0 - 210 Beast ) Who also trains at the camps FB Uknooooo !!! |
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Post by realdawg on May 20, 2014 19:07:23 GMT -6
The worst player in our program is somehow a part of it. He is terrible. Claims he got an invite by them to some all star combine they have in Ohio in the summer. That makes me skeptical. This kid can't even get reps as a sophomore on jv
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Post by fugulookinat on May 21, 2014 9:26:26 GMT -6
Here is the deal with FBU....
They enlist the help of regional coaches to nominate legitimate athletes to invite to camps. They call these coaches "Scouts". Now, these "Scouts" are usually High School coaches with a good bit of knowledge about the athletes in there area. Most scouts are varsity Coordinators or position coaches who have been in the region for a long period of time. Now, I did say "most scouts" because there are some that are youth coaches pretending to be varsity coaches who have started to sneak into the system. They will nominate anyone and everyone under the sun, including kids who are backups on JH or Varsity teams. Why would they do this you might ask??? Here's why, as a "Scout" for FBU you receive cash for every kid you nominate, and even more cash if the kid actually attends a combine!
So here's my 2 cents...
I am a scout for FBU and have been so for the last 5 years. I believe it is a good combine,but for the amount of money it costs, any kid you nominate better be a D1 prospect. I have nominated 14 athletes in the last 5 years and all have received D1 offers, none of which had any offers prior to going. It is starting to get "Watered Down" because of these idiots just trying to make a buck. I have plenty of kids that have received D1 offers who have never attended an FBU combine also. I'm pretty sure that I am done with FBU because of what it's turning into.
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Post by fugulookinat on May 21, 2014 9:30:12 GMT -6
Glad this thread is back. A few weeks ago we got invitations for a couple of our kids. Trouble is, both graduated five years ago. One's a coach on our staff now. I don't know how FBUs crack scouts missed that. The "Scouts" can nominate ANYONE and get paid!!! See my post above. |
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Post by burnet44 on May 26, 2014 20:31:21 GMT -6
Hi guys
I havent posted much but I know Huey. He and his staff do a great job with the kids they have. Here is my experience with these types of camps. For about 15 years I coached at an NFL type camp. They brought a lot of Houston Oilers and Dallas Cowboys in to talk to and instruct the kids. Ernie Stauner Randy White Mel Renfro Too Tall Jones Jim Garrett Jason Garrett Randy Zies Wade Key Nate Newton and a ton of others I cant remember. We had it at St. Ed's when the Boys had training camp there. We went Sun-Thurs and the Boys would come in Thursday about 6 after we left. Dude named Maynard owned it and was good friends with Ernie. Jason Garrett would run the qb camp on Sun at 6. We had a bazillion sign up for that. A lot of kids who were not qb's. Their dad just paid the extra 100 and told them they were. lol
We had 3 a days and had the game Thursday morning. We had a lot of college guys. Jerry Campbell, Mike Maynard, O'Boyle, Rich Lawrance, his son Mike and a ton of other guys I dont remember. And a lot of HS guys. Ray Ray George and Wade hollar if you read this. If you are on this board and worked this camp please post. It was a great camp. We had 3 age groups little ones, JH, HS. There was a guy out of Austin who was great with the little ones. He was the HC every year. Great guy. He always did the circus. Everyone got to block, tackle, throw, catch in about 6 stations. I worked the little kids with him a few years and it was great fun.
We had a kicking camp where the kickers would work on their tans lol Greg Porter who was at Shelbyville, CC, Lampasas did a great job with them. He had Janakowski from the Raiders come in one year and drank so much we sent him home. The camp was very instructional. 3 a days you got your moneys worth. It was 500 for over nighters when I started and I think it went to 800 by the time I quit a few years ago.
The JH moms were the best and we secretly voted for Camp Mom at the end of camp. The pro guys they brought in were great. Talked to the kids did some drills with them. But they understood it was for instruction on whatever level the kids were on. I actually blocked on Ed Too Tall Jones lol he went easy on me. It was years after he retired and he looked like he could still play. Big owner in Boston Markets btw. Jim Garrett was our head dude then John Peterson (Seattle-Carolina scout) took over. Great guys to work with. Loved kids and loved coaching.
It was a great coaching clinic too. Maynard bought all the beer we wanted and we had a coaches meal on Wed night. Those were some of the greatest coaching clinics Ive been to. We would drink, draw, argue, erase ect sometimes all night. Then be up at 6 for chow and practice at 8 in the 100+ Texas sun. Some days were brutal lol God we stunk lol but it was fun. Guys would bring film and cut ups in. OBoyle the master of DL pass rush moves showed us 56 pass rush moves on film. It was great. I treasure those times a lot.
Maynard got bought out by a lawyer from NJ. And for a while it was still ok. But they started cutting corners. We didnt get the name pro guys any more. FA's rookies mostly no names. Mel Renfro continued to come and he would stay all day sometimes 2. He is involved in church work in Oregon. Class act all the way. We had a trainer from McKinney. She was one of the Olympic trainers at the Athens Greece games. She was great. They cut her staff and money so she left finally ans sadly.
We had camps at St Ed's, SWT, St. Mary's and finally at San Marcos Academy. Thats when it went to snit. Nike came in and bought it from the lawyer and it got worse. No Beer, training tent had 1 ice bucket for 300 kids full pads in the Hot Texas summer heat. Guy from Trinity was running it last I heard. Good guy but they cut he resources so much the camp was a shell of what it once was. And I think the price has gone up.
As far as players were concerned we didnt have any what I would call studs. We had a few pretty good ones. But most of them looked and played like subs or chickin frys. But they got better. We didnt try to reinvent the wheel. We were pretty basic. Blocking tackling throwing catching running. The mid line was in style so we ran a lotta that with bump backs. Some I stuff. We tried to do basically what most of the kids were doing at their school. The spread wasnt around then. We did a little inside veer played a 27 called 4-3 now lol 31
It was a great camp ruined by greed of Nike and others. Otis Wilson of the Bears had a camp like we did. And there was one in Shippensburg Pa. that did older guys who wanted to play. FA's and 40 year olds who were feeling youthful. Now that was a fun camp lol I did it 3 years and those guys drank like fish lol And paid for it the next day lol.
I really dont know about this new FBU thing. I have just seen it advertized. We didnt send out invites. Maynard sent out some pamphlets and it was a lot of word of mouth. Thats how I found out about it.
Anyway sorry for the long rant and trip down memory lane. It was a great camp not because I was there. We had good coaches who taught fundamental football in the hope the kids got better and they could take a little technique back home and help their team win. The pro guys who came in really understood that.
My thoughts: Id rather my kid stay at home. Workout and learn what you are doing at his hs instead of these camps. We had Texas coaches teaching basically Texas kids. Besides the kids need some break. Its a long season. 20 weeks if u play for it. Its a grind as all of you know. Ive been there and done that just like a lot of you have. Anyway best of luck to all of you this next year.
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Post by thechosenfew on May 17, 2016 19:40:46 GMT -6
I have had a large number of players come to me and say they received a "special invite" as it is stateds on the form. Talks about scouts have seen him and his name was recommended. They have former NFL guys and college coaches there to teach the techniques. However, some of those invited will probably never see the field. 1 basketball kid receiced an invite and has never played football. Just tired of all the "combine", "scouting services", etc... Anyone had good expereiences with this company as maybe this is just a 1 time screw up. |
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Post by thechosenfew on May 17, 2016 20:07:07 GMT -6
FBU camps are not scams, it is what it says it is. A football camp aimed towards teaching youth skills and techniques geared towards improving play. If you go thinking your child is going to get a guaranteed scholarship, then reality will sink in that it's not likely. FBU in general is not just for camps. My son was selected to be a linebacker on a regional FBU national all star team without ever going to a FBU camp. FBU camps are geared towards teaching college level techniques and training that will help your child excel outside in regular teams. The knowledge my son gained was something he would have never learned elsewhere. The camp coaches are actually ex NFL and College standouts. In other words, they also use the camps to recruit for the state regional team players. So out of the thousands of kids that participate maybe only 100 will be chosen to represent the state. They also award standouts with the FBU top gun invitational camp, for the regions top players. It's a stepping stone to getting noticed. Majority of 6th 7th 8th grade FBU team players actually get verbal college offers just for being selected. My son is a 7th grader going into 8th and had already visited our local D1 university and they've already verbally offered him a athletic scholarship. With that being said, realistically only s chosen few will be selected but the training you get will benefit all the kids. Based off of what he learned in training versus not going is huge. You figure a lot of little league and high school coaches are volunteers and have no actual college of professional experience. So FBU coaches are required to have college and professional experience. And a lot of the coaches are actual big names not your college I was on the team players. But actual local legends. You can decide if you want the upper hand in getting noticed or trusting your child's dreams of going to college up to a volunteer. Like I said some of the chosen few that are talented can benefit from FBU and some may not. It all comes down to the kid. Some just have talent and some need the extra help. Some just need to come to terms that this isn't they're calling. Either way it is what it is. National Championship tournaments are funded through these camps as well. If any of you are blessed to have your son selected to represent your state national team, you will see how FBU funds a lot of the expenses for the low income like us.
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Post by 19delta on May 18, 2016 4:58:01 GMT -6
Well My thing is Everything cost money / there are several camps out there that cost 1,500 dollars for 4 days . The FBU camp cost 625 & and you can make payments of 50 dollars a month . What other camp offers that . Also to name a few Ricky Hunley / Ted Cotrel / Lorenzo Olneal / Frank Strong / Rod woodson are just a Few names of NFL players and coaches at the camp .They follow you throughout your football career collect you stats .This last NFL draft 32 FBU alumni members made it on NFL teams. WOW how many other camps or colleges are putting those numbers up on the 1st /2nd / 3rd round drafts . IDK .If you cant you wont / If you don't you never will . But is really not about us as parents its about how much will and drive your son or player will have in life that's what coaching is really about to build create strong minded individuals and that what I see the camp teaching the kids more than anything .I guess you would have to experience the Camp to understand . To take advise from a current NFL player or Coach or a 12 time pro bowler like Rod Woodson is probably more creditable than you local POPWARNER COACH/or HIGH School coach that hasn't made it to the next level . Im just saying . ( Proud Parent of a Starting HS freshman MLB 14rs old 6.0 - 210 Beast ) Who also trains at the camps FB Uknooooo !!! The reason you son is starting is because he is 6', 210, not because he spent a couple hours with Rod Woodson. |
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Post by gator53 on Sept 4, 2016 14:36:42 GMT -6
I think this operation has vastly expanded in the last few years, seems like everyone is getting invited now and as long as you can afford the 700.00 or whatever it costs then come on down! I don't like these camps where kids get coached up "the NFL way" anyways, I mean they are HS kids not NFL players! I would say 9 times out of 10 if a kid comes back and says "well this is the way I learned to do it at so and so's camp" I am gonna say that's great now this is the way your gonna do it to play for us. Exactly. Had a kid attend the Packers camp a few years ago as a to be Jr. As a So he was easily our best CB and I anticipated him being even better from there on. He went to the Packer camp and learned "the NFL way" and began staring at the QB while we're playing Cover 3. Gave up 3 big pass plays Week 1 because he wouldn't listen to us dumb HS coaches who told him to read #1WR to #2 and so on, because "that's not the way the NFL does it". From what I understand, last year the kid was even a bigger pain in the ass to coach. Kids and parents don't understand that 90% of camps run by colleges and NFL teams are to make money and bring in kids they want to recruit. |
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Post by gator53 on Sept 4, 2016 15:00:53 GMT -6
My son is a long snapper he went to an FBU camp in new Jersey because chris Rubio runs the long snapping for FBU. Then he was invited to the Top Gun in Ohio which is a national event, he did very well and learned a lot. Matter of fact in 8th grade he didn't have one bad snap,so as far as the specialty part of FBU it was outstanding. If you look at the D1 long snappers 95% have trained with Chris Rubio. This year he attended Chris Rubio's personal camp in NJ and beat out some D1 prospect in one of the competition and he is just a freshman in high school. So in are dealing with FBU I would not call it a scam.
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Post by mc140 on Sept 4, 2016 16:22:36 GMT -6
My son is a long snapper he went to an FBU camp in new Jersey because chris Rubio runs the long snapping for FBU. Then he was invited to the Top Gun in Ohio which is a national event, he did very well and learned a lot. Matter of fact in 8th grade he didn't have one bad snap,so as far as the specialty part of FBU it was outstanding. If you look at the D1 long snappers 95% have trained with Chris Rubio. This year he attended Chris Rubio's personal camp in NJ and beat out some D1 prospect in one of the competition and he is just a freshman in high school. So in are dealing with FBU I would not call it a scam. Thanks Chris.... |
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Post by 19delta on Sept 4, 2016 19:51:51 GMT -6
I am the HC at a school that hosts an FBU camp and has done so in 2012, 2013 and will in 2014. I do not get paid by FBU, get no kick back whatsoever, and do not get anything to promote their camp. I can speak with first hand knowledge and say that FBU is NOT a scam. What I can tell you is that the regional FBU camps are very skill intensive. Players are drilled at a very fast pace over the course of three days and the coaches work very hard with each player. The FBU coaches use on field drills, demonstrations and classroom video of each player to improve every player in camp. I will not ever tell a family how to spend their money, but I do feel this camp is worth the money. It is not a combine. There are no 40 times taken or agility drills timed. There are not two kids in a drill and 40 kids standing around. FBU is a fast paced, highly organized, well run practice setting. No player is going to improve vastly in three days, but I do feel that kids that attend this camp do improve because of the specific individualized film work that each player is exposed to. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me. I have to ask...if you aren't getting paid to host the FBU events, then why are you doing it? There has to be something in it for you, right? I love football as much as the next guy. But i'm not going to do all the work if someone else is cashing all the checks. |
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Post by lucassean2 on Oct 17, 2016 11:52:54 GMT -6
Our players received 8-10 free scholarships to attend. Otherwise they may not be able to afford going.
I was able to sit and talk football with a few guys that have coached for a long time and have coached at the highest levels.
I looked forward to it every year, at times I turned it into a personal coaches clinic for me by asking so many questions..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 12:52:49 GMT -6
Our program's experience with these things is the kids that are given a free ride to them are paid for by the kids that actually pay to attend them. We've had only a couple kids get freebies but a bunch get invitations where they were asked to pay full pop. The parents of the paying kids usually think they were invited because their kid is a stellar athlete that will eventually have multiple D1 offers. The kids go, a few of the coaches at the camp ballwash them a little bit and tell them "you've got a great future ahead", you're "better as a freshman/sophomore than some of my current players!" and then the kid comes back on cloud 9. The problem is that the kid then mostly sits on the bench and the parents tell the coaches that they're stooges because REAL college coaches and former pros can see the talent in their kid but we can't. That's our experience, your mileage may vary.
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Post by leighty on Oct 17, 2016 13:11:43 GMT -6
Well My thing is Everything cost money / there are several camps out there that cost 1,500 dollars for 4 days . The FBU camp cost 625 & and you can make payments of 50 dollars a month . What other camp offers that . Also to name a few Ricky Hunley / Ted Cotrel / Lorenzo Olneal / Frank Strong / Rod woodson are just a Few names of NFL players and coaches at the camp .They follow you throughout your football career collect you stats .This last NFL draft 32 FBU alumni members made it on NFL teams. WOW how many other camps or colleges are putting those numbers up on the 1st /2nd / 3rd round drafts . IDK .If you cant you wont / If you don't you never will . But is really not about us as parents its about how much will and drive your son or player will have in life that's what coaching is really about to build create strong minded individuals and that what I see the camp teaching the kids more than anything .I guess you would have to experience the Camp to understand . To take advise from a current NFL player or Coach or a 12 time pro bowler like Rod Woodson is probably more creditable than you local POPWARNER COACH/or HIGH School coach that hasn't made it to the next level . Im just saying . ( Proud Parent of a Starting HS freshman MLB 14rs old 6.0 - 210 Beast ) Who also trains at the camps FB Uknooooo !!! This is just an all-around terrible post. |
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Post by 3rdandlong on Oct 17, 2016 13:17:13 GMT -6
Camps are cash cow's. FBU seems no different now that they are drilling into the sub HS markets. They have figured it out. Those that wear the Rose Colored Glasses are the ones with the open checkbooks. This is just me personally - but when I see a D1 parent with a D3 son who has been a pain in our butt over recruiting and they spend a bunch of money going to some of these camps I laugh and think "you know what..GOOD." At my last school the one parent knew nothing, claimed he didn't know anything about recruiting but claimed I wasn't doing it anything for his son...so he spent thousands sending his kid to camp after camp, paid for some "professional" deal to put together a recruiting packet for his son complete with stats (LOL...his son was a linebacker)...it was a nice picture on the packet. But his son still didn't get any offers from any D1, D2, D1AA and no D3 school could take him because of his grades. LOL. Karma. But I bet it's your fault he didn't get an offer. |
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Post by fballcoachg on Oct 18, 2016 5:49:48 GMT -6
School used to host and I asked the director why there are so many out of state people at the event especially for middle school, the director literally said "middle school parents have drank the kool aid, they eat it all up." Take that how you will...I don't take it as a positive.
Is there solid instruction? Most of the time but nothing worldly. I've had far more negative experience than positive as every kid I have known that has attended and paid has magically been in the top ten percent of his position group in the country and given an invite to their national camp at a higher rate of course. I've had a backup JV QB told this, an OL/DL told this at TE, MLB, and DE in three consecutive years, and a kicker that can't kick off to the endzone. Not only that, they are then pushed to recruiting services that can get you in front of the coaches that need to see you. It's become a complete cash cow with a few spots of good instruction. My experiences have been so negative when it comes to falsely building ego and inflating where kids actually fit that I am extremely reluctant to use our "scholarship" next go round. These camps come in, promise the moon, give some instruction, give a lot of hype and bluster, then leave with zero accountability. But...spend your money however you'd like because some pros were brought in free of charge after they were 5 star recruits so these guys must be king makers
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Post by spos21ram on Oct 18, 2016 7:30:41 GMT -6
School used to host and I asked the director why there are so many out of state people at the event especially for middle school, the director literally said "middle school parents have drank the kool aid, they eat it all up." Take that how you will...I don't take it as a positive. Is there solid instruction? Most of the time but nothing worldly. I've had far more negative experience than positive as every kid I have known that has attended and paid has magically been in the top ten percent of his position group in the country and given an invite to their national camp at a higher rate of course. I've had a backup JV QB told this, an OL/DL told this at TE, MLB, and DE in three consecutive years, and a kicker that can't kick off to the endzone. Not only that, they are then pushed to recruiting services that can get you in front of the coaches that need to see you. It's become a complete cash cow with a few spots of good instruction. My experiences have been so negative when it comes to falsely building ego and inflating where kids actually fit that I am extremely reluctant to use our "scholarship" next go round. These camps come in, promise the moon, give some instruction, give a lot of hype and bluster, then leave with zero accountability. But...spend your money however you'd like because some pros were brought in free of charge after they were 5 star recruits so these guys must be king makers So it's like American Idol. The top end talent is legit, future 3/4 star recruits, but the bottom end of the talent pool will barely touch a HS varsity field. So if you're a talented kid whose family has the money, it's worth it. Average players with the money....that's the group that's throwing their money away. |
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Oct 24, 2016 23:28:49 GMT -6
Hi guys I havent posted much but I know Huey. He and his staff do a great job with the kids they have. Here is my experience with these types of camps. For about 15 years I coached at an NFL type camp. They brought a lot of Houston Oilers and Dallas Cowboys in to talk to and instruct the kids. Ernie Stauner Randy White Mel Renfro Too Tall Jones Jim Garrett Jason Garrett Randy Zies Wade Key Nate Newton and a ton of others I cant remember. We had it at St. Ed's when the Boys had training camp there. We went Sun-Thurs and the Boys would come in Thursday about 6 after we left. Dude named Maynard owned it and was good friends with Ernie. Jason Garrett would run the qb camp on Sun at 6. We had a bazillion sign up for that. A lot of kids who were not qb's. Their dad just paid the extra 100 and told them they were. lol We had 3 a days and had the game Thursday morning. We had a lot of college guys. Jerry Campbell, Mike Maynard, O'Boyle, Rich Lawrance, his son Mike and a ton of other guys I dont remember. And a lot of HS guys. Ray Ray George and Wade hollar if you read this. If you are on this board and worked this camp please post. It was a great camp. We had 3 age groups little ones, JH, HS. There was a guy out of Austin who was great with the little ones. He was the HC every year. Great guy. He always did the circus. Everyone got to block, tackle, throw, catch in about 6 stations. I worked the little kids with him a few years and it was great fun. We had a kicking camp where the kickers would work on their tans lol Greg Porter who was at Shelbyville, CC, Lampasas did a great job with them. He had Janakowski from the Raiders come in one year and drank so much we sent him home. The camp was very instructional. 3 a days you got your moneys worth. It was 500 for over nighters when I started and I think it went to 800 by the time I quit a few years ago. The JH moms were the best and we secretly voted for Camp Mom at the end of camp. The pro guys they brought in were great. Talked to the kids did some drills with them. But they understood it was for instruction on whatever level the kids were on. I actually blocked on Ed Too Tall Jones lol he went easy on me. It was years after he retired and he looked like he could still play. Big owner in Boston Markets btw. Jim Garrett was our head dude then John Peterson (Seattle-Carolina scout) took over. Great guys to work with. Loved kids and loved coaching. It was a great coaching clinic too. Maynard bought all the beer we wanted and we had a coaches meal on Wed night. Those were some of the greatest coaching clinics Ive been to. We would drink, draw, argue, erase ect sometimes all night. Then be up at 6 for chow and practice at 8 in the 100+ Texas sun. Some days were brutal lol God we stunk lol but it was fun. Guys would bring film and cut ups in. OBoyle the master of DL pass rush moves showed us 56 pass rush moves on film. It was great. I treasure those times a lot. Maynard got bought out by a lawyer from NJ. And for a while it was still ok. But they started cutting corners. We didnt get the name pro guys any more. FA's rookies mostly no names. Mel Renfro continued to come and he would stay all day sometimes 2. He is involved in church work in Oregon. Class act all the way. We had a trainer from McKinney. She was one of the Olympic trainers at the Athens Greece games. She was great. They cut her staff and money so she left finally ans sadly. We had camps at St Ed's, SWT, St. Mary's and finally at San Marcos Academy. Thats when it went to snit. Nike came in and bought it from the lawyer and it got worse. No Beer, training tent had 1 ice bucket for 300 kids full pads in the Hot Texas summer heat. Guy from Trinity was running it last I heard. Good guy but they cut he resources so much the camp was a shell of what it once was. And I think the price has gone up. As far as players were concerned we didnt have any what I would call studs. We had a few pretty good ones. But most of them looked and played like subs or chickin frys. But they got better. We didnt try to reinvent the wheel. We were pretty basic. Blocking tackling throwing catching running. The mid line was in style so we ran a lotta that with bump backs. Some I stuff. We tried to do basically what most of the kids were doing at their school. The spread wasnt around then. We did a little inside veer played a 27 called 4-3 now lol 31 It was a great camp ruined by greed of Nike and others. Otis Wilson of the Bears had a camp like we did. And there was one in Shippensburg Pa. that did older guys who wanted to play. FA's and 40 year olds who were feeling youthful. Now that was a fun camp lol I did it 3 years and those guys drank like fish lol And paid for it the next day lol. I really dont know about this new FBU thing. I have just seen it advertized. We didnt send out invites. Maynard sent out some pamphlets and it was a lot of word of mouth. Thats how I found out about it. Anyway sorry for the long rant and trip down memory lane. It was a great camp not because I was there. We had good coaches who taught fundamental football in the hope the kids got better and they could take a little technique back home and help their team win. The pro guys who came in really understood that. My thoughts: Id rather my kid stay at home. Workout and learn what you are doing at his hs instead of these camps. We had Texas coaches teaching basically Texas kids. Besides the kids need some break. Its a long season. 20 weeks if u play for it. Its a grind as all of you know. Ive been there and done that just like a lot of you have. Anyway best of luck to all of you this next year. And if you need a game broadcast on the radio or want action pictures hollar. I can do both. Ask Huey Yeah I know shameless plug lol Pat Carrigan FirstDownPhotos And in Jail at TJJD Coach That kinda sounds like the old sports international camps, I went to the jay novacek, one back in high school, it was at east Texas state, now a&am commerce. I remember hot hot 3 a days. It was a full 6 days, Sunday-Friday , game Friday morning One of the best parts was seeing the local Beauty queens come in hang out and give awards. Got a chance to work it later as a counselor and was able to hook myself up with a date with one of those beauty queens. Anyway i think it is still done at north Texas now, and it's only 3 days maybe 2 and a half |
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Post by truth on Jun 18, 2017 9:29:19 GMT -6
For me Football University is a scam! I was an active coach in it! Its a money pyramid meant to suck money out of anyone and everyone willing to pay! Especially in the Pacific Northwest! Edwin Weathersby II and Eric Mederiros have been sucking families dry for years now! They hand out invites to any and every kid who they think can pay! They steal money that is raised for camps and pocket it for themselves. Please steer clear of these men on the west coast and any FBU related camps. It should be about the kids but its not. Its all about the money! Biggest money scam and athelete exploitation ring i have ever seen established on the West Coast. Take your $$ and put it to better use! You will be glad you did. I thought it was legit until these gentlemen approached me regarding getting and taking funds from any and every athelete whether good or bad players! They promise parents and kids the world, but all you end up with is a hole in your check book! Stay clear of FBU Northern Washington and these gentlemen!
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