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Post by piratefootball on Mar 19, 2011 15:08:37 GMT -6
I have had a large number of players come to me and say they received a "special invite" as it is stateds on the form. Talks about scouts have seen him and his name was recommended. They have former NFL guys and college coaches there to teach the techniques. However, some of those invited will probably never see the field. 1 basketball kid receiced an invite and has never played football. Just tired of all the "combine", "scouting services", etc... Anyone had good expereiences with this company as maybe this is just a 1 time screw up.
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Post by bluedevil4 on Mar 19, 2011 18:34:06 GMT -6
This "University" seems to be one to prepare kids for the NFL. What is the NFL about...MONEY!!!
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Post by Chris Clement on Mar 19, 2011 20:01:32 GMT -6
I don't think it's a flat-out scam, from what I've read from guys here, but it's probably nowhere near what it claims. I think it's just a mass meat market and maybe some scouts are there or whatever, but it's not a fly-by-night.
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Post by dcchan4 on Mar 20, 2011 7:40:57 GMT -6
its a scam for money, often ive had my back ups get invites and not starters. just a money grab
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Post by wingtol on Mar 20, 2011 7:48:44 GMT -6
I think this operation has vastly expanded in the last few years, seems like everyone is getting invited now and as long as you can afford the 700.00 or whatever it costs then come on down! I don't like these camps where kids get coached up "the NFL way" anyways, I mean they are HS kids not NFL players! I would say 9 times out of 10 if a kid comes back and says "well this is the way I learned to do it at so and so's camp" I am gonna say that's great now this is the way your gonna do it to play for us.
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Post by cc on Mar 20, 2011 11:34:11 GMT -6
Has anyone coached at it? Gone to it? Had players go to it?
We need feedback about it.
I coached some Sports International camps and sometimes they were horrible money grabs. There was not enough proper equipment for the kids that were there (helmets did not fit, not enough footballs, bag etc...)
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 20, 2011 12:55:48 GMT -6
I think this operation has vastly expanded in the last few years, seems like everyone is getting invited now and as long as you can afford the 700.00 or whatever it costs then come on down! I don't like these camps where kids get coached up "the NFL way" anyways, I mean they are HS kids not NFL players! I would say 9 times out of 10 if a kid comes back and says "well this is the way I learned to do it at so and so's camp" I am gonna say that's great now this is the way your gonna do it to play for us. Exactly. Had a kid attend the Packers camp a few years ago as a to be Jr. As a So he was easily our best CB and I anticipated him being even better from there on. He went to the Packer camp and learned "the NFL way" and began staring at the QB while we're playing Cover 3. Gave up 3 big pass plays Week 1 because he wouldn't listen to us dumb HS coaches who told him to read #1WR to #2 and so on, because "that's not the way the NFL does it". From what I understand, last year the kid was even a bigger pain in the ass to coach. Kids and parents don't understand that 90% of camps run by colleges and NFL teams are to make money and bring in kids they want to recruit. |
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Post by blackknight on Mar 20, 2011 15:44:54 GMT -6
I took my son when he was in 8th grade. I will not take him again.
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Post by coachbrek on Mar 21, 2011 8:20:01 GMT -6
I have a couple college teammates who promote FBU camps, one in Florida and one in Canada.
It's promoted as the best of the best and coached by the best of the best.
I have been invited to observe one of their camps in Winnipeg Manitoba.
I gave them two names from our program, I can't say if the camp is worth the $$$, but I don't think it's a scam, they have some pretty good testimonials. Just like anything you will get mixed reviews.
But from what I have read on it seems to be an ego stroker for the parents.
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Post by Coach Klemme on Mar 21, 2011 8:27:01 GMT -6
I helped out in the Mlps Clinic a few years ago. I didn't really see any scouts, but they did get an account with rivals. There were some legit D1 kids there, but most of that small group had made up their mind on where they were going. I do agree that not all the best kids go. In the upper midwest the kids are spread out over 6 states so the top notch talent wasn't there. Example. One of the "top" DB's at the camp wasn't even an all conference player in our conference. It was fun to hear the coaching from the ex-NFL guys and from the stuff I saw if was little things that could be used at all levels. I wouldn't recommend this for middle school kids to sophomores, it wouldn't be worth it for them. As to its overall value.....meh, I don't know how much it would help a kid get ready for the next level. Low point for me when there was a big name blue chip player there and he didn't participate in any drills or any part of the camp. They just took his photo, did an interview pimping the camp and we never saw him again. Maybe he was helping his dad with a rap album.
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Post by runtoball on Mar 22, 2011 13:23:54 GMT -6
Sorry if this is hijacking the thread. What do you guys do when you receive stuff for combines for your players? Do you just give it to them and not say much? Knowing they are not good enough to be attending. Or do you try to talk them out of it?
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Post by wingtol on Mar 22, 2011 17:45:28 GMT -6
Sorry if this is hijacking the thread. What do you guys do when you receive stuff for combines for your players? Do you just give it to them and not say much? Knowing they are not good enough to be attending. Or do you try to talk them out of it? If they are free and the kid wants to go...let 'em go. Especially if they are a kid who thinks they are going D-1 but can't break 6.0 in the 40. Always funny to hear what they have to say after attending a combine with real D-1 kids there. |
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Post by coachmpope on Mar 23, 2011 7:28:27 GMT -6
THIS MY FRIENDS IS WHY I DO THE HAWG TUFF! CAMPS AND CHALLENGES. WE DO MORE IN A DAY FOR A SMALL PRICE THAN THESE SO--CALLED BIG CAMPS. KIDS AND PARENTS ARE GETTING SCAMMED BY SOME OF THESE GUYS! THE LAST POSTER HIT IT ON THE MARK ABOUT KIDS WHO RUN 6.0 40S BEING INVITED TO THESE "ELITE" CAMPS. KIDS NEED TO GO TO CAMPS WHERE THE COST IS LOW AND THE COACHING AND TEACHING OR FUNDAMENTALS IS HIGH!
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Post by wingtol on Mar 23, 2011 8:59:24 GMT -6
THIS MY FRIENDS IS WHY I DO THE HAWG TUFF! CAMPS AND CHALLENGES. WE DO MORE IN A DAY FOR A SMALL PRICE THAN THESE SO--CALLED BIG CAMPS. KIDS AND PARENTS ARE GETTING SCAMMED BY SOME OF THESE GUYS! THE LAST POSTER HIT IT ON THE MARK ABOUT KIDS WHO RUN 6.0 40S BEING INVITED TO THESE "ELITE" CAMPS. KIDS NEED TO GO TO CAMPS WHERE THE COST IS LOW AND THE COACHING AND TEACHING OR FUNDAMENTALS IS HIGH! There is a difference between the camps and combines. Most of these combines are free to the kids and all they need to do is register. I could care less if our kids go run 40's, broad jump, and do 1-1 drills at the combines. Now the camps that charge all this money for guys to learn such and such a way are a waste IMO. Once those kids come back from a camp they are gonna do it our way no matter what. So why waste the money  |
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Post by trojan on Mar 23, 2011 11:33:12 GMT -6
THIS MY FRIENDS IS WHY I DO THE HAWG TUFF! CAMPS AND CHALLENGES. WE DO MORE IN A DAY FOR A SMALL PRICE THAN THESE SO--CALLED BIG CAMPS. KIDS AND PARENTS ARE GETTING SCAMMED BY SOME OF THESE GUYS! THE LAST POSTER HIT IT ON THE MARK ABOUT KIDS WHO RUN 6.0 40S BEING INVITED TO THESE "ELITE" CAMPS. KIDS NEED TO GO TO CAMPS WHERE THE COST IS LOW AND THE COACHING AND TEACHING OR FUNDAMENTALS IS HIGH! I agree with your point. I've been to Wing-T camps where the instruction/drills are directly related to the player's position in the Wing-T system. The instructors are coaches who are very detail-oriented and highly proficient (IMHO), but they are not coaching at Texas or Ohio State, or in the NFL. Of course, you don't get "exposure" from Tom and Dave's camps... |
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Post by airraider on Mar 24, 2011 16:30:16 GMT -6
Combines are a great idea for kids... really keeps them from being that kid that says.. "I could have went somewhere, but my coach didnt try to get me noticed".. if they go to these combines and see how they really rate among others in their area... it usually humbles them a bit.
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Post by fantom on Mar 24, 2011 23:12:00 GMT -6
Combines are a great idea for kids... really keeps them from being that kid that says.. "I could have went somewhere, but my coach didnt try to get me noticed".. if they go to these combines and see how they really rate among others in their area... it usually humbles them a bit. Except for the kids who test well but are academically ineligible, attitude problems, or just lousy football players. |
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Post by airraider on Mar 25, 2011 4:37:28 GMT -6
Combines are a great idea for kids... really keeps them from being that kid that says.. "I could have went somewhere, but my coach didnt try to get me noticed".. if they go to these combines and see how they really rate among others in their area... it usually humbles them a bit. Except for the kids who test well but are academically ineligible, attitude problems, or just lousy football players. Yea I guess... But if they are the first two, then why are they on your team? And if they are testing well and the last... is it really all their fault? |
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Post by fantom on Mar 25, 2011 10:03:09 GMT -6
Except for the kids who test well but are academically ineligible, attitude problems, or just lousy football players. Yea I guess... But if they are the first two, then why are they on your team? And if they are testing well and the last... is it really all their fault? You can be academically ineligible for a college schollie but still eligible to play in HS. You can be a jerk to the point that you're not a good player but not to the point that you've done something that will get you kicked off of the team. You can be a good athlete but not have any aptitude for playing the game of football. |
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Post by fugulookinat on Mar 31, 2011 9:44:00 GMT -6
Here's how FBU works.
Players have to be submitted to FBU by a local scout. This person is "usually" a local coach who knows the players in the area. The scout will nominate players who he feels can play football at the next level. The scout submits the names and schools that these elite players play for and then FBU sends the player an invite to one of their many regional combines.
Now here is where it gets screwed up. Remember when I said that the scouts were "usually" local coaches??? Sometimes an idiot parent poses as a coach to become a scout so that he can nominate his 3rd string back-up QB son to an FBU combine. And not only does he nominate his son, but he also nominates all of his sons other 3rd string buddies so that they can all go.
That is why some of the "Elite" talent at an FBU combine isn't that elite. There are definitely some talented players who attend FBU combines. They will receive quality instruction from former NFL players and coaches. As with any camp or combine that a player attends, he will receive advice that might not match what his High School coach is telling him to do. I always tell my players that whatever they learn at a camp or combine has to mesh with our philosophy at the High School or else they cant use it.
I have sent several players to FBU combines and I have nothing but good things to say about the organization. It does cost more than most combines but they aren't going to have some grad assistant trying to teach them football either. If you have a player that gets an invite to FBU, and you know that there is no way that kid will ever be able to play college ball, talk him out of going. If you know a kid has a chance to play at the next level I would encourage him to go.
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Post by coachfurn on Mar 31, 2011 13:43:07 GMT -6
it's a money game. that's it. Had a player go to it last year. Yeah, he was 'invited' and all, but he had the $ to do it.
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Post by trojan on May 28, 2011 9:13:13 GMT -6
I just got an email from a dad, giving the dates that his son will miss this summer. Vacation and church camp would not conflict with any football, except for workouts. He will, however, be missing a most of a mini-camp at the start of the summer. (NOT a big deal, since he knows most of it already) He'll be going to a FBU camp. I love that he wants to get better, and love the kid. Since he's an offensive lineman, I am expecting him to be instructed about zone stuff, two-point stances to help protect the QB in his ten step pass drop, and a whole lot of "hands" blocking. Then he can come back to our Wing-T, ready to roll.  |
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Post by fantom on May 28, 2011 11:02:59 GMT -6
Glad this thread is back. A few weeks ago we got invitations for a couple of our kids. Trouble is, both graduated five years ago. One's a coach on our staff now. I don't know how FBUs crack scouts missed that.
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Post by ajreaper on May 28, 2011 14:59:42 GMT -6
I have had kids attend and my question is "what can they learn in a day or day and a half that is worth the $$$"? Nothing. To truly learn a physical skill takes many 1000's of reps with feedback and I don't care if it Lombardi reincarnated doing the coaching they'll learn nothing essentially or worse just enough to screw them up.
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Post by coacha65 on May 30, 2011 17:19:26 GMT -6
They are all money makers, plain and simple. All of these combines/camps/universities exploit the hopes and dreams of players/parents to make a buck. I am not faulting just the people that run these things, but this is just another example of the exploitation of kids and the loss of innocence of high school sports.
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Post by jaytx on Jul 30, 2013 20:48:32 GMT -6
ok... On this topic of FBU being a scam..... My son attended the Midland Tx regional camp. I simply filled out the registration and paid. There was no "invite". NO SCOUT. NO RECRUITER. we were skeptical to say the least... our skepticism was confirmed when we got to Midland..... Some of the boys looked like it was there 1st day of ever stepping on a football field.... I know what this looks like being a former coach.... My wife and I were pissed... My son, a starter every year hes played, after attending Coach Alan Whartes' "AIR IT OUT PASSING CAMP was way over qualified for FBU... and was easily the best in his group. He gets the invite to FBU "top gun" camp which is adverstised as the best of the best.... its the top picks from the 40 summ odd camps across the nation all together at 1 camp..... it was supposed to be better....NOT..... it was nothing but a glorified 7 on 7 with very little reps.... very little skill and drill, coaches running 25 minutes late to a 45 minute classroom session.... alot of NCSA (recruiting service crap) buy this buy that..... very dissappointed.... the on feild work not 1 time did the QB's do a roll out pass.... WTH? All we were told the entire 3 days is that 75% of the "ALL AMERICAN" roster will be picked from this camp.... Not that my son was the best here but there was several kids that were BEAST and did not get selected and MOST of the kids that did get selected were kids that played last year.... not the BEST. in fact I saw DADDYS walking up and introducing themselves to the coaches and directors..... guess whos kids got picked for the "ALL AMERICAN" status....? I am the type that wants to verify things like this myself.... after paying $1300 just on the camps, driving from Waco Tx to Midland Tx then to Dublin Ohio..... I can tell you.... This is a waste of money and time.... My son did more work in a 1 day $35 camp here at Baylor than he did in 3 days ($649) at FBU's TOP GUN BEST OF THE BEST ELITE camp...... If your kid is a QB or a WR then take him to Air it out.... we are headed back and sorry we wasted our time and money on FBU....
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Post by joris85 on Jul 31, 2013 0:01:26 GMT -6
FBU is one of the only camps to come to Europe.
What they do here, is having one evening practice on basic fundamentals, much needed around here.
I've been told they'll be coming to Brussels in August, just an hour drive away.
If they do (I haven't found it on their website, will double check), I will attend it and bring some feedback for that.
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Post by bluboy on Jul 31, 2013 4:16:13 GMT -6
Our starting QB considered going to this camp last summer. A very knowledgeable college coach in our area suggested that he not go.
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Post by opportunitys1 on Oct 11, 2013 23:19:52 GMT -6
Well My thing is Everything cost money / there are several camps out there that cost 1,500 dollars for 4 days . The FBU camp cost 625 & and you can make payments of 50 dollars a month . What other camp offers that . Also to name a few Ricky Hunley / Ted Cotrel / Lorenzo Olneal / Frank Strong / Rod woodson are just a Few names of NFL players and coaches at the camp .They follow you throughout your football career collect you stats .This last NFL draft 32 FBU alumni members made it on NFL teams. WOW how many other camps or colleges are putting those numbers up on the 1st /2nd / 3rd round drafts . IDK .If you cant you wont / If you don't you never will . But is really not about us as parents its about how much will and drive your son or player will have in life that's what coaching is really about to build create strong minded individuals and that what I see the camp teaching the kids more than anything .I guess you would have to experience the Camp to understand . To take advise from a current NFL player or Coach or a 12 time pro bowler like Rod Woodson is probably more creditable than you local POPWARNER COACH/or HIGH School coach that hasn't made it to the next level . Im just saying . ( Proud Parent of a Starting HS freshman MLB 14rs old 6.0 - 210 Beast ) Who also trains at the camps FB Uknooooo !!!
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Post by brophy on Oct 12, 2013 0:44:22 GMT -6
i GUARANTEE none of those players got to the NFL because of some camp......save that used car sales pitch for pee wee league parents.
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