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Post by CVBears on Feb 1, 2008 21:15:11 GMT -6
As it is clinic season, who should we be careful of going to see and why? Many times on a clinic schedule I find myself torn between speaker A and speaker B. With some actual insight, sometimes I wish I would have chosen more wisely.
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Post by touchdowng on Feb 1, 2008 22:06:06 GMT -6
You can learn something from everybody.
Shouldn't use this board to "dis" somebody who is sharing information. What you may find as useless, somebody will find it useful and could use it to beat you.
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Post by cmow5 on Feb 1, 2008 22:20:44 GMT -6
I can only warn you about one. Not because he is bad, but because he will kick your ass. Blaise Winter. Few pointers stay in the back, dont Volunteer, and dont make eye contact.
Actually he is a EXCELLENT speaker. Every one should look him up. He has been through A LOT in his life and has overcame everything. He walked on at Syracuse, then earned a scholarship, to 2end round pick, to AFC rookie of the year and 11 years in the pros. I honestly don't know why there has not been a movie made about him. VERY inspiring story and I encourage every one to check him out.
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Post by kcbazooka on Feb 2, 2008 0:32:57 GMT -6
Not least favorite, but driest may have been Tom Osborne. Spent an hour going over an iso play ---- maybe that's why they were so successful?
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Post by CVBears on Feb 2, 2008 1:51:13 GMT -6
You can learn something from everybody. Shouldn't use this board to "dis" somebody who is sharing information. What you may find as useless, somebody will find it useful and could use it to beat you. That is why I asked for the "why" as well. One person's bad is another's good. One coach last weekend was advertised to talk about a specific defensive topic, quasi big name coach talking about defense. He talked about one story of a player the entire time. Was it beneficial and did everyone in the room take something away from it? Absolutely. But, if I take my car in for a tune-up and they rotate my tires but forget the tune-up, I wish I would have taken my car to a different shop. Several clinic speakers have the same topic at multiple clinics around the country. It would be nice to know if people are doing things as advertised. Maybe I should have changed the name of the thread, but the "favorite speakers" thread is what spawned it. I'm not trying to disrespect coaches, just trying to look out for the ones on here.
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Post by phantom on Feb 2, 2008 13:47:45 GMT -6
One thing I'd watch out for is big name college HCs who are scheduled to speak on their offense or defense.
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Post by touchdowng on Feb 2, 2008 14:08:49 GMT -6
kcbazooka
I've heard that Vince Lombardi could speak for 3 straight hours on the Packer sweep.
ignorantrookie
Your point is well taken. There's just different strokes for different folks.
I think we've all stood around a lobby after a session and overheard others rant or rave about how good or how poor a speaker was and wondedered who the heck were they listening to because I heard the same guy.
Some people are looking for a little entertainment value. Some want none and some want a lot.
But I agree with the posts about speakers not sticking to their topic as that is frustrating. Sometimes the speakers don't even know their topic until they're picked up at the airport.
Some of the blame could be placed on the clinic organizers. I've been asked to speak on a topic only to be told that somebody else had canceled and they needed me to make an adjustment. Those things happen.
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Post by chaz111 on Feb 2, 2008 14:12:33 GMT -6
In VA and NC ( 2 states I have coached in) I have learned to avoid the state coaching clinic....your going to get a college staff thats just seems to be working on making recruiting inroads...I have heard some big time guys but gotten hardly any real info...I guess it was cool seeing them in person but I much prefer hearing HS guys giving real scoop
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Post by airman on Feb 2, 2008 14:13:47 GMT -6
my least favorite speaker is anyone who is not organized or they ramble in their lecture.
I am not mr technology but I can run a power point program and I know how to go forwards and backwards without screwing it up.
I some times wonder how these d1 guys get jobs. I know some one else does a lot of there ppts.
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Post by mnpasso on Feb 2, 2008 15:54:44 GMT -6
When you go to a Nike Clinic, and a HC who was fired a couple months ago and is still unemployed, is speaking.
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Post by coachcb on Feb 2, 2008 16:18:23 GMT -6
If they are being paid to speak at a clinic, they know a WHOLE HELLUVALOT MORE THAN I DO. As such I can always learn something from them.
For example, I heard a very successful D1 coach (NC caliber) give a lecture on the philosophy behind his program. He rambled a little bit and a lot of people were upset, but the information I did glean from him was priceless.
If I had to decide between speaker A and speaker B, I'd decide who had the most applicable information for my program.
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Post by trojan on Feb 2, 2008 16:30:14 GMT -6
The further they are from my context of coaching, the worse they are. High school coaches from divisions below the state's top division can help me. They have personnel issues, money issues, and they usually spend the day as a teacher. Big name college guys, really, are of no value to me as clinic speakers. They are like the bigwig school administrators with some grandiose plan for helping my students, but they really have no idea what it is like in a classroom. Come on, you know the ones.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 2, 2008 16:48:56 GMT -6
The further they are from my context of coaching, the worse they are. High school coaches from divisions below the state's top division can help me. They have personnel issues, money issues, and they usually spend the day as a teacher. Big name college guys, really, are of no value to me as clinic speakers. They are like the bigwig school administrators with some grandiose plan for helping my students, but they really have no idea what it is like in a classroom. Come on, you know the ones. Very valid points. When I was coaching at the collegiate level, I would cringe at some of the clinics and the lack of coaching context when questions were asked. You don't ask an SEC defensive back coach "coach, how would you play that against the wing-t" in a clinic with 70-100 coaches of various levels in attendance. You don't ask the Ohio State DL coach who is talking about technique "yeah coach, but my kids aren't strong enough to do that, what do you suggest" in a LARGE clinic setting... You need to know that level and audience should be considered when attending a lecture. Don't go listen to a D-1 collegiate staff talk about workday schedules and time management if your staff consists of 4 coaches total, (each who is in the classroom all day) and think you are going to walk away with "the solution". You might get some ideas, but it won't solve your problems.
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Post by hchscoachtom on Feb 2, 2008 22:53:26 GMT -6
I've always appreciated successful High School coaches. Why? Because most are teachers who have good communication skills and are able to present their material in concise and articulate ways.
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Post by coachorr on Feb 3, 2008 0:41:54 GMT -6
Mr. Hankey the Christmas poo. Why not be positive?
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Post by tvt50 on Feb 3, 2008 5:23:19 GMT -6
Anybody trying to sell me a playbook, book, or video.
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Post by coachwscott on Feb 4, 2008 20:38:40 GMT -6
I too beleive there is alot to learn from everybody... But I hate coaches who show up to clinic unprepared and blame their G.A.'s for it!
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Post by groundchuck on Feb 4, 2008 20:44:09 GMT -6
I can learn from any of them. Some are dry. Sometimes d1 head coaches speaking on O or D can be a little dry, and/or "closed up." But that does not mean I didn't learn anything from them.
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Post by seagull73 on Feb 4, 2008 22:15:28 GMT -6
I hate when I feel like I just sat through a 1 hour commercial for the guy's DVD, playbook, or camp. I just paid $600 for my staff to attend now this guys wants another $20 for the DVD he doesn't show during his talk.
[glow=red,2,300]Least favorite line: "If you get my DVD it shows how we do....." [/glow]
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Post by ram7gm on Feb 6, 2008 10:37:50 GMT -6
I remember the first clinic I went to, I was obviously tempted by the big name D1 coaches, only to find that I learned A LOT more from a HS or small-time DII asst.
Don't be swayed by big names. Like hchscoachtom said, often the best teachers are just that - TEACHERS who are successful HS coaches.
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Post by ram7gm on Feb 6, 2008 10:39:27 GMT -6
It also doesn't help much to hear a D1 coach blab on and on about how recruiting is going or something that doesn't necessarily benefit us HS coaches. Talk about FOOTBALL or COACHING... something we can take back to our programs that will benefit the KIDS and the TEAM.
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Post by coachkaz on Feb 6, 2008 12:03:32 GMT -6
blaze winters is a hoax. if you want him, just stop, take your money and go to the toilet and start dropping cash in it and flushing and once and awhile it will back up and you see all your money like you are learning something but then it just goes back down the tube (lewis black reference here).
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Post by raider7342 on Feb 6, 2008 12:03:48 GMT -6
if possible i always have a backup session picked out. for example, if i go to a glazier clinic where there are 6-7 session going on each hour i will have a #1, #2, & #3 session already chosen for me and anyone else going with me. that way if 10-15 min. into the session you find out its bull, then i go to the next one. you usually only miss the intro and personal info of the next presenter any how in the first 10 min. it has worked well for us. i plan it out before we even leave to go to the clinic. i also usually don't go to clinics that dont have more than one session per hour because of this.
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Post by cmow5 on Feb 6, 2008 12:15:13 GMT -6
blaze winters is a hoax. if you want him, just stop, take your money and go to the toilet and start dropping cash in it and flushing and once and awhile it will back up and you see all your money like you are learning something but then it just goes back down the tube (lewis black reference here). I hope you have personal experience before you make a comment like that.
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Post by Coach Klemme on Feb 6, 2008 14:35:07 GMT -6
I have never seen this one, but John Gaglerardi (sp) at St. Johns in MN gives the same speech at every event he does. The coaches I work with say go to him once and listen to his stories, but any time after that you will always get the same thing.
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Post by coachkaz on Feb 6, 2008 15:16:02 GMT -6
He came to our school 2 years ago. Kids walked away with no knowledge.
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Post by champ93 on Feb 6, 2008 15:35:51 GMT -6
Many years ago (maybe 1989?) I went to a University of Michigan Clinic and John Robinson was the featured speaker. I believe he was the LA Rams HC at the time between USC stints. He explained the finer points of handing the ball off to Eric Dickerson for about an hour. I found him very condescending.
Of course that was back in the day when you got the plastic template with various sizes of o' and squares as a giveaway. That made the trip worthwhile.
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Post by Shotgun1 on Feb 6, 2008 20:43:47 GMT -6
I used to love the University of Delaware wing-t clinics. They were awesome and gave everything they had. However, Ted Kempski gave out some great information but you would feel like blowing your brains out after listening to him. He was like the History teacher in Ferris Bueller's Day Off, only 20 times more dull.
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Post by morris on Feb 6, 2008 21:09:21 GMT -6
"Bueller? Bueller?" Ben Stien who by the way was a speach writer for Nixon
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Post by leighty on Feb 8, 2008 3:43:34 GMT -6
The worst speaker I've seen was a guy from Wake Forrest. All he did was draw plays for an hour. No substance. The best was Gunter Brewer.
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