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Post by culverqb12 on Jun 18, 2010 8:52:15 GMT -6
I think it is unfortunate, albeit the nature of the beast as I have learned, that where and at what level you played weighs so heavily on your perceived coaching abilities and . I made the conscious decision not to play college ball. I had a couple of d-II and a bunch of D-III offers, but realized it was not in my best economic and personal interest to play. It has nothing to do with lack of desire or interest; I was just looking at the big picture. I knew I wanted to coach and had no clue the decision I made to not play would be detrimental in this field. While in high school, I was at school to play ball and had very few study skills that would benefit me in college. I understood, with some very serious counseling from my parents, that I would not make in college with my skills at the time. Additionally, my parents said they would pay for everything, at the state college rate. Everything I was offered would still leave me $6-10,000 in the hole on a yearly basis. Therefore, I went to a community college for a year and transferred into one of the top state colleges in the country. I walked out with no debt, while friends of mine are saddled with $50-80,000 of debt for their time. Fast forward to today, and I have coaches (mainly at major schools or schools where many people want to coach) who I inquire with about positions on their staff that are only willing to hire guys who played at the next level or make it a point to ask me first and foremost where I played in college. When I tell them I did not play, the next statement centers around the idea that I cannot handle working for a major program (on the high school level) because I never played college ball. I try to explain to them that I never miss a weight room session and I am a constant learner, but they consistently go back to the fact that I never played college football. Now, it is not every coach but it happens a lot more than most would imagine and I expected. So my question is, what is it about playing at the next level or even in the pros gives someone such knowledge that someone who only played high school cannot obtain? Why in this field are we so enamored with idea that college or pro football players are automatically better choices because they played? I agree it should not matter what you have done in the past, as long as you know what you're doing now. I will say that I did play college ball, and I definitely learned a lot more about how to run programs and just overall x's and o's of the game by being around some great college coaches. Did playing in college teach me a lot about the game, and ultimately improve my coaching abilities? Absolutely! But I don't think you have to play in college to be a great football coach.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 18, 2010 9:42:51 GMT -6
I'm bumping this again because I'm about to go on a mini-rant. Some 40 year-old guy who played high school ball (and of course who could have gone "all the way" if he didn't decide to settle down and raise a family, as his friend told me) told me repeatedly I knew " {censored}" about football because I never put on a helmet. He also insulted me throughout the argument, questioning who I was (suggesting he's cooler than me because he, a 40 year-old, and I, an 18 year-old, never crossed paths) and suggesting I wore panties and bras. All of this over facebook, which is pathetic and means to me that he's being an Internet tough guy. In fact, his friend even mildly threatened me, saying that if I didn't "show some respect"- I thought I was very calm and respectful when I said I disagreed with him- he'd have to "find me." Is this how it's gonna be? I'm not even coaching yet and I'm already being called out for not playing, despite it being a logical fallacy? There's a 40 year-old guy insulting an 18 year-old over the Internet because I didn't join the no-cuts high school team? Wow. Just wow. Excuse my French, but I'm really {censored} off at this. I know I should shake it off and laugh, but it's really riled me off. What's more, we were arguing, then called truce because everyone was making jokes and we decided we'd rather do that. We calmed down and said we were cool with each other. Then after about twenty minutes he decided to start it up again with "one last comment." Now I'm {censored} because he started attacking me again, on a medium where all my friends can see it. I mean I know I haven't reached the level of "football genius" yet like some of the guys on the boards, but I do know some stuff. Definitely way more than Joe Fan, anyways. My blood pressure just shot all the way up. I'm gonna keep arguing with him because now I feel I'm invested, but this really pisses me off. I know he's "just a fan" and as a coach-to-be I should just walk away because I'm striving to be more than that, but if he's gonna be stubborn about it then damn, so am I. Your problem begins and ends with arguing on Facebook. As Betty White said- What a waste of time.
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Post by endersgame on Jun 18, 2010 10:44:25 GMT -6
As a wise man once said...
"He started it!"
Haha.
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Post by endersgame on Jun 18, 2010 10:49:14 GMT -6
If you let this get to you than you do not stand a chance on friday nights when all the "experts" are hurling insults and cuss words at you as you just "ruined their sons entire career." Yeah when I was calming down this thought sort of creeped up in the back of my mind. Well, I guess everyone has to have a first time.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 18, 2010 10:56:03 GMT -6
As a wise man once said... "He started it!" Haha. I should have put that your problem begins and ends with being on Facebook, but I didn't want to start the whole "Facebook is fine. I've reconnected with blah, blah, blah on it." stuff.
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Post by phantom on Jun 18, 2010 11:09:11 GMT -6
As a wise man once said... "He started it!" Haha. I was in an after-hours bar once with a friend named Magilla. I got into a conversation with a guy at the bar and Magilla poked me and whispered, "Don't talk to a$$holes". I told him, "I have to. You're my ride home." but the point was well taken. I've found that to be a guiding principle on Facebook.
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Post by endersgame on Jun 18, 2010 11:21:43 GMT -6
As a wise man once said... "He started it!" Haha. I should have put that your problem begins and ends with being on Facebook, but I didn't want to start the whole "Facebook is fine. I've reconnected with blah, blah, blah on it." stuff. I'll be a freshman in college next year, so I don't really have to worry about all that stuff yet. When I seriously start to find a good, professional job I'll probably have to get it of it, yeah.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 18, 2010 12:44:07 GMT -6
I should have put that your problem begins and ends with being on Facebook, but I didn't want to start the whole "Facebook is fine. I've reconnected with blah, blah, blah on it." stuff. I'll be a freshman in college next year, so I don't really have to worry about all that stuff yet. When I seriously start to find a good, professional job I'll probably have to get it of it, yeah. It seems to me that with this situation you're currently in, you're already having to worry about it.
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Post by endersgame on Jun 18, 2010 14:32:08 GMT -6
Nah, I've never met this guy in real life. He's probably a p###y anyways. I can get mad at people like this on any blog or news story that has comments attached. Doesn't mean I should stop reading blogs or news stories. I'll just pick my arguments better next time. After all, I'm not gonna let some Internet tough guy keep me from keeping in contact with my high school friends.
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Post by phantom on Jun 18, 2010 14:58:13 GMT -6
Nah, I've never met this guy in real life. He's probably a p###y anyways. I can get mad at people like this on any blog or news story that has comments attached. Doesn't mean I should stop reading blogs or news stories. I'll just pick my arguments better next time. After all, I'm not gonna let some Internet tough guy keep me from keeping in contact with my high school friends. That argument is the cyber equivalent of arguing with a drunk in the stands at a game.
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Post by endersgame on Jun 18, 2010 19:45:41 GMT -6
Well I'm not letting this guy cut me off from my friends. He won't do anything in real life anyways, even if we did somehow cross paths.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 18, 2010 19:51:27 GMT -6
enders----I don't think you are getting the point. It isn't about someone "doing things in real life" It is that you are not listening to seasoned coaches telling you the best way to act in a situation.
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Post by endersgame on Jun 18, 2010 23:31:22 GMT -6
What do you mean, by getting off facebook? There are coaches that have facebook accounts. My stance is that I'm not a coach yet, and not even searching for a job, so having a facebook shouldn't be an issue. I have definitely learned not to argue with "Joe Fan, the ol' ball player" though, and I'll keep that in mind next time someone posts a comment about football.
Sorry if I reads like the above is flippant, I don't intend it to be.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 18, 2010 23:39:10 GMT -6
Not getting off of facebook, but rather it didn't seem like you were looking to not argue with the guy. Thats all.
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Post by endersgame on Jun 19, 2010 6:04:05 GMT -6
Oh. The argument died anyways. I made some statement and he asked me for my "sources" (and mocked me, calling me "Mr. Research"). When I showed him an extensive list he sort of backed up and said my research was "outstanding." He hasn't said anything since.
First and last argument with Joe Fan. Least I'm 1-0! : D
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 19, 2010 8:41:03 GMT -6
Oh. The argument died anyways. I made some statement and he asked me for my "sources" (and mocked me, calling me "Mr. Research"). When I showed him an extensive list he sort of backed up and said my research was "outstanding." He hasn't said anything since. First and last argument with Joe Fan. Least I'm 1-0! : D You don't really get that it doesn't matter if you won do you?
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Post by endersgame on Jun 19, 2010 8:58:47 GMT -6
I know it doesn't, it's the Internet. To reference that one demotivational poster, winning an argument on the Internet is like winning the Special Olympics. The last line was more a joke than anything, that's why I put the smiley face thing next to the line. I was trying to find humor in a bad situation.
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Post by phantom on Jun 19, 2010 9:17:20 GMT -6
Enders, I don't know if you did it intentionally but thank you for the object lesson in how easy it is to get drawn into an argument online.
And now, for a sure-fire way to end an argument......
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