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Post by brophy on Oct 26, 2009 7:44:15 GMT -6
I attempted to cover this in a blog entry but I'm a little puzzled as how the impact of penalizing defensive players for injuries that occur on the field. THIS particular hit hit on Sandeman ) had me seeing the defensive back laying a perfectly legitimate hit, where his helmet just happened to hit Sandeman's helmet. The 15 yard penalty didn't get thrown UNTIL Sandeman remained on the turf. By all rights, it was a textbook form tackle by Ware, so I don't know what else the COACHING STAFF could have done to prevent the penalty. Would it be better just to teach diving / tackling the feet? thoughts?  |
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Post by blb on Oct 26, 2009 7:56:31 GMT -6
I attempted to cover this in a blog entry but I'm a little puzzled as how the impact of penalizing defensive players for injuries that occur on the field. THIS particular hit hit on Sandeman ) had me seeing the defensive back laying a perfectly legitimate hit, where his helmet just happened to hit Sandeman's helmet. The 15 yard penalty didn't get thrown UNTIL Sandeman remained on the turf. By all rights, it was a textbook form tackle by Ware, so I don't know what else the COACHING STAFF could have done to prevent the penalty. Would it be better just to teach diving / tackling the feet? thoughts? Great question, but one difficult to answer. Fine line legislating safety in a contact sport and blurring its nature, as well as balance between offense and defense. Difficult to officiate "intent." |
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Post by coachwoodall on Oct 26, 2009 9:00:33 GMT -6
agree. and is it a penalty if the offensive player initiates helmet to helmt contact?
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Post by phantom on Oct 26, 2009 9:14:22 GMT -6
I attempted to cover this in a blog entry but I'm a little puzzled as how the impact of penalizing defensive players for injuries that occur on the field. THIS particular hit hit on Sandeman ) had me seeing the defensive back laying a perfectly legitimate hit, where his helmet just happened to hit Sandeman's helmet. The 15 yard penalty didn't get thrown UNTIL Sandeman remained on the turf. By all rights, it was a textbook form tackle by Ware, so I don't know what else the COACHING STAFF could have done to prevent the penalty. Would it be better just to teach diving / tackling the feet? thoughts? I appreciate the efforts to make the game safer but this one is misguided. I can't see anything that I'd tell the kid to do differently. Any "helmet to helmet" contact seems to be incidental. Bad call. |
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Post by brophy on Oct 26, 2009 9:20:01 GMT -6
the only thing that made me scratch my head was;
1. The flag was thrown only after Sandeman had been down for a full minute (so apparently, it wasn't flagrant to the officials)
2. The very next play (1st down), the running back is 'form tackled' in the EXACT SAME manner inside (head up defender, striking with chest and his helmet makes contact)....no foul
so I'm just puzzled is all
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Post by blb on Oct 26, 2009 9:42:03 GMT -6
the only thing that made me scratch my head was; 1. The flag was thrown only after Sandeman had been down for a full minute (so apparently, it wasn't flagrant to the officials) 2. The very next play (1st down), the running back is 'form tackled' in the EXACT SAME manner inside (head up defender, striking with chest and his helmet makes contact)....no foul so I'm just puzzled is all Well, the simplistic answer is: It's only a rule if the officials call it - late or otherwise. Apparently degree has something to do with it, too. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 26, 2009 16:23:18 GMT -6
I think had the defender wrapped up and attempted to run his feet, rather than attempting the shoulder block no penalty would have been called.
Something like this
NOTE: not saying that I believe the MSU play was a penalty, only showing what I think needs to be done to avoid getting the calls.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 26, 2009 16:27:01 GMT -6
Virtually every call in a basketball game is subjective. Football is becoming the same way in the interest of safety...but at the same time I think it's really hurting our game. Agree 100%. Each Saturday I see more and more flags on post and seam routes that have never been called before, and are 100% subjective. It is almost like driving the lane to "draw the foul". I dont have a solution for it other than teaching the safeties to wrap up and try to run the feet rather than launch in for the bigger hit. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Oct 27, 2009 6:13:37 GMT -6
Anybody see the Adrian Peterson hit Sunday on the DB from Pittsburg? AP lowered his head and drilled the guy in the ear hole. The play made Sport Centers's top 10 list. Do any of you think AP will get a fine from the commish?
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Post by wingt74 on Oct 28, 2009 20:24:27 GMT -6
Most big hits are illegal now to the letter of the rules. If the top of a player's should hits any part of another player's body, there is a chance at a 15 yard penalty.
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Post by hwkfn1 on Oct 29, 2009 8:52:17 GMT -6
Even though I am a huge Iowa fan, I do not think the hit was a blatant attempt to injure Sandeman. The call should have been made right away and not after the fact. That said, if that is the rule, then that is the rule and it needs to be enforced. I would have been upset if I was Dantonio as well. However, I am tired of hearing about how the officials cost MSU the game (not on this board!). Give Iowa props for going 70 yards in 1:29 and scoring on the last play of the game!
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Post by coachcb on Oct 29, 2009 9:12:44 GMT -6
I have no issue with the helmet to helmet rule with respect to QBs in the pocket because they can't really defend themselves.
But the rules of the game have been skewed in an effort to make the game more 'exciting'. Everyone wants to see the offenses score 60 points on each other; basketball on grass. The media 'looks down upon' your 14-7 ball games and defensive battles and as such, so does the public.
The new rules have taken the aggressiveness out of the game and there's really no way around it. No 'ooohs and ahhnhs' about the big hits in games much anymore; but everyone jumps up and down when a WR catches a ball for a 50 yard gain and a score.
But, I tell my kids, week in and week out, that I will never get on them if they are playing violently, unless it's something dumb, like a late hit on someone. If you come screaming through and lay a hit on the QB as he gets the ball off and it's all a subjective call by the official then tthere's no issue with me. We get flagged, it sucks, but I'm not going to tell my kids not to play aggressively and violently. Hell, we had a late hit call on a QB two weeks ago and the DE was PULLING up before he hit him, he tried to do the smart thing; they flagged him for it. So, if that's the way it's going to go, we can't win with the calls; go ahead and keep playing hard.
We had a kid get BLOCKED into the punter last week and they flagged him for it. The blocker literally threw our guy into the punter. They were punting out of their endzone and it could have cost us the game. But, we kept playing hard on defense, beat the sh-t out of them up front and we won.
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Post by coachbleu on Oct 29, 2009 20:39:05 GMT -6
The helmet to helmet penalty is the worst penalty in all sports. Your head is on top of your shoulders. The opponents head is on top of his shoulders. How in the world are you supposed to hit each other without helmets colliding?
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