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Post by khalfie on Jul 24, 2009 13:34:29 GMT -6
I love bear crawls...
Any d-linemen knocked off his feet better crawl and bite ankles...
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Post by John Knight on Jul 24, 2009 19:42:59 GMT -6
I heard Rocky Pentello(Westerville South HC) speak at a clinic. He had hired a new DLine coach and he was making kids do monkey Rolls and Bear Crawls. He says he fired him on the spot.Why? No animal drills!
No ANIMAL DRILLS has been my motto ever since. No I wasn't the coach he fired but I agree with the thinking. Do football drills!
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Post by coachcastleman on Jul 24, 2009 21:17:24 GMT -6
Bear crawl is a football drill. Our interior D-line bear crawl on every play against our week one opponent due to the style of offense they run. We bear crawl in the game, so we practice it just like anything else we use in the game.
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Post by schultbear74 on Jul 24, 2009 23:12:56 GMT -6
I use bear crawls as a part of conditioning for all of our athletes. We use them in the spring and the summer as a part of conditioning drills. I also like to use the hand ladder. I have had very few shoulder injuries during the years (30). My linemen do use the scramble block quite frequently and it seems to help.
I don't like the carioca, it isn't done on the field, but people still do it.
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Post by schultbear74 on Jul 24, 2009 23:14:07 GMT -6
Monkey Rolls? Those are preposterous. Many a dislocation there.
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Post by rcole on Jul 24, 2009 23:24:12 GMT -6
I swear, in 2005, I was coaching at a school on offense and it was my first year there...we had a Dad that was working with our Db's (bad idea, but I wasn't in charge) and I promise you he had them doing monkey rolls and, get this, he had Db's driving the 7 man sled...and I mean on a regular basis. The funniest/saddest part is later in the year he made it clear that he was a better coach than any of the rest of us and "we didn't know what we were doing."
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Post by schultbear74 on Jul 24, 2009 23:28:29 GMT -6
at least he wanted them to block. He could've been the mad bull in the ringer.
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Post by rcole on Jul 24, 2009 23:47:23 GMT -6
Yeah, he had our Db's ready to block??? but they sure couldn't cover or tackle.
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Post by jonnyboy on Jul 25, 2009 4:50:26 GMT -6
If they don't call to let me know they will be missing practice...aka unexcused absence...they have to sprint 100 yards, backpeddle 100 yards, and then bearcrawl 100 yards. We call it the big three, use bear crawls only as punishment, they seldom forget to call again.
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Post by raiderpirates on Jul 26, 2009 17:41:18 GMT -6
Okay, myn issue is HOW they are supervised to crawl. Straight back leg, bent back = injuries.
They end up leaving straightened leg and arm joints ready to snap on being rolled.
There has to be flexibility at use, bend in legs.
Thus our players four point stance and frog leg it. The frog leg gives you bend, and lift from both hands down in four points. The frog legging naturally gives them "duck demeanor" on their insteps to the ground. Animal terminology can work, done right.
Someone straightens a leg or arm with weight on it they are asking for an injury. Make them aware of how to get lower and know when to bail on it and just pile stuff.
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Post by los on Jul 26, 2009 19:58:33 GMT -6
The biggest issue I have with bearcrawling ( besides hating it, lol)....is not about safety but more about wasting time...... other than the one type of cutoff block that JH was describing.....when else does one bearcrawl during a football game?.....if the answer is "never or hardly ever".....its a wasted drill/waste of time, as far as learning anything useful, that you can use in a game....if punishment or conditioning is the objective = I agree, its dang sure punishment and will definitely wear your a$$ out doing it.... lol!
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Post by caveman on Jul 26, 2009 22:25:02 GMT -6
Great attention getter...great way to warm hips , shoulders, arms, back. Kids hate em....It's really hard....I bear crawled in every football game I played in ......it's an effort thing ...extension of the body...catlike? Short distances..or perhaps running 10 yds doing a up down..then bear crawl 5 out. jog back. Sucks...
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Post by coachmoore42 on Jul 26, 2009 22:34:57 GMT -6
When do you do a bear crawl during a game??? I have yet to see a player do a bear crawl during a game I bear crawled all the time in high school. Backside seal from the TE spot. As a change up, I would do it on inside runs to keep some of the bigger DT/DE's honest (I was 190, some of them were 250).
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Post by coachcathey on Jul 27, 2009 21:25:23 GMT -6
Former lineman for us playing at Notre Dame came back with a beauty of a punishment. They call them "Lame Dogs". D*mn guess I am not the only one that has had to do those then.... ;D I cussed the entire time as well.
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Post by kcbazooka on Jul 28, 2009 12:29:26 GMT -6
Somebody mentioned the dreaded monkey roll!!! I still have a scar from that drill - a spike cut me at the knee and I bled like a stuck pig. I couldn't understand its benefit then and I don't now.
Now bear crawl for five yards yes - if you teach that type of blocking - but when do want your kids doing it for ten yards in a game.
As far as building shoulder strength - a great way to that (other than the weightroom) is to do wheel barrows slowly down and up hills/inclines for about ten yards.
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Post by wjk1214 on Jul 28, 2009 12:50:44 GMT -6
I like using bear crawls for two reasons 1) building upper body strength, and 2) it's dynamic (conditioning & coordination). I like the drill for D-Line & O-Line. I have not witnessed any injuries when having players perform bear crawls, but like everthing else in football it's not a matter of if injury will occur, it's a matter of when a injury will occur. If we start eliminating drills due to 1 or 2 injuries, we won't have any drills left to perform. But, if there's a high rate or percentage of injuries occuring with any drill, I would stop the the drill. After all we are or should be vigilant advocates of our players morale, health, and welfare.
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Post by floridagator on Aug 13, 2009 7:07:35 GMT -6
I find them extremely hard on my wrists and I would think anyone heavy set, doing them properly would feel the same way. theres a reaon why we walk upright. I guess I would have my heavy set guys run more so they can be in condition to bear crawl
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Post by ramsoc on Aug 15, 2009 23:21:08 GMT -6
we used to do a conditioning drill called the Big 4. 40 yard sprint, 40 yard back pedal, 40 yard Bear Crawl, 40 yard shuffle. We had more sore shoulders and elbows when we used to that drill. We lost 4-5 kids a year to bad shoulders. We have not used them for 3 years now and we have not had 1 shoulder injury since. Knock on Wood!!!!! We have a big 3, used as punishment. But we bear crawl 100 yds, backpedal 100 yds and sprint 100 yds.
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Post by mhs99 on Aug 16, 2009 8:08:16 GMT -6
Bear Crawls are just plain stupid and a waste of time. They are not a part of the game and for those who think it develops upper body strength, here is a novel idea offseason strength program. As for being a part of DLine game if you are doimg
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Post by mhs99 on Aug 16, 2009 8:12:30 GMT -6
Darn Blackberry.... Hit Post Reply.. Was saying if DL are bear crawling in games they are getting their a$$ kicked.
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Post by pittss11 on Mar 11, 2010 18:54:39 GMT -6
I use bear crawls as a part of conditioning. Not only do I thank it is a great condidioning drill, but also a great drill for toughness.
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Post by jdprep42 on Mar 11, 2010 20:02:01 GMT -6
I think you can do twice the amount of conditioning running in the time it takes to bear crawl. I'm also very biased because I witnessed two teammates dislocate shoulders bear crawling.
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Post by coachfurn on Mar 11, 2010 21:39:44 GMT -6
I like bear crawls....I believe they are beneficial and have a purpose. When I coached RB's in college, we did a ball security drill doing monkey rolls. I am a younger guy, but very old school in philosophy. Animal named drills are fine by me. Let's don't jump off the cliff b/c a kid dislocated his shoulder doing bear crawls. We do it every single day and I have yet to see an injury from it. But we are all entitled to our opinions.....
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Post by coachmoore42 on Mar 11, 2010 21:42:51 GMT -6
When I played, I was about 185 at TE and blocking some college prospects who were as much as 235. Most times, I bear crawled for my life, beacuse there was no way I was driving them out of the hole. Those big boys were going to have to jump over me to make a tackle. Now, we use them at the 10 yards or less interval. We use them to cut backside, if we're having trouble getting the cutoff block. I have also seen them used when going after loose balls in game situations.
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Post by ramsoc on Mar 11, 2010 22:11:03 GMT -6
we used to do a conditioning drill called the Big 4. 40 yard sprint, 40 yard back pedal, 40 yard Bear Crawl, 40 yard shuffle. We had more sore shoulders and elbows when we used to that drill. We lost 4-5 kids a year to bad shoulders. We have not used them for 3 years now and we have not had 1 shoulder injury since. Knock on Wood!!!!! You make me feel bad... We have a Big Four, but ours is 100 yd bear crawl, 100 yd back pedal, 100 yd lunge, 100 yd sprint.
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Post by coachriley on Mar 11, 2010 23:28:58 GMT -6
We use to do bear crawls in high school, and as a player i hated them and as a coach i love them lol. I think its a great mental toughness drill, and when i was playing we had to use zone/cut blocking. We never bearcrawled too far unless it was for serious punishment, and everything was game specific.
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Post by fishon37 on Mar 12, 2010 1:34:07 GMT -6
We bear crawl down a telephone pole(the pole is on the ground) with our lineman,they flip their feet back and forth (feet are on the same side of the pole) great hip exercise...
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Post by dhooper on Mar 12, 2010 9:30:47 GMT -6
I stop doing them and wonder why I ever did them. Not good
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Post by windigo on Mar 12, 2010 12:30:54 GMT -6
It good for teaching scramble blocks and also building good coordination as well as hip movement, forces you to drive your knee up to your chest. One of the big reason plyos are so effective for speed training is that they force knee drive good bear crawls force the same kind of knee drive. But don't to it to such a degree that form totally breaks down.
And they are also great for pure consequences and in that case you want form to fail. I like the big 3 for missing practice or being lat and guess what the players hate it and it aren’t the 100 yard sprint and back peddle that they hate. When educating a player on the importance of making practice and being on time its important that the consequences aren’t' just difficult and tiring. They need to hate it.
With proper consequence training over time the player will, hopefully, associate the act that brings on the consequences with the extreme dislike of the consequences themselves.
Hows that for PC rhetoric?
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Post by tiger46 on Mar 12, 2010 17:10:49 GMT -6
We used to bearcrawl when I was in elementary all the way through HS. We bearcrawled in the Army. I absolutely hated it. But, this thread is the first that I've ever even heard of anyone being injured due to bearcrawls.
I'm a youth coach and don't have the luxury of off-season conditioning, weights, etc... I definitely make my players bearcrawl. Although I don't use it as such, bearcrawling is also a legitimate line tactic on both sides of the ball at the youth level.
I use bearcrawls because I couldn't believe the absolute lack of coordination, strength and flexibility of the hips in many youth players- not to mention little upper-body strength. Some of them are abysmal. And, it's not just the fat kids, either. We bearcrawl for 10yrds, give a short rest and bearcrawl back at every practice.
I'm old and fat. But, I still will get down there sometimes and crawl with my players to teach them bearcrawls require a certain mental toughness as well as physical. i.e.... If a Fat Freddy starts whining, "I can't do it, coach!", I'll get down there and bearcrawl with him while our team claps us in. If it's a fast kid that thinks he's special because he bearcrawls faster than Fat Freddy, I get in the line-up and beat him at it to show him that he can always push himself harder. I even use bearcrawls when evaluating players. Bearcrawls eliminate a lot of cheating. Most youth kids won't gain as much from push-ups because they don't know the proper forms. Coaches have to constantly be on them to do them properly. Too many will also screw up cariocas. I hate carioca, anyway. But, bearcrawls give me a better picture of what that kid can do. At youth level, puberty hasn't yet entered into the equation. A small, strong and agile lineman will beat the crap out of a big fat, slow and sloppy lineman.
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