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May 22, 2009 10:28:20 GMT -6
Post by phantom on May 22, 2009 10:28:20 GMT -6
In the spats thread there's a lot of talk about kids wearing them just for show and about kids being too worried about looking good. While I agree that we want to keep individualism from detracting from the team concept I don't think there's anything wrong with kids wanting to look good.
Before a game, when the players are primping themselves into their usis, I'll sometimes hear a coach complain about it or even yell at them. Before every game that I ever played, though, the last thing I ever did before leaving the locker room was put my helmet on, go in the bathroom, and look in the mirror to see how I looked. Had to stand in line to get to the mirror, too.
Kids today want the coolest looking facemask? So did I. They want a favorite player's number? Guilty here, too. Nowadays they wear wrist bands. We wore forearm pads, a totally useless piece of equipment even in the day of the forearm shiver.
I know coaches who say that they never did that. I'm not calling them liars. I just think that most are victims of selective memory.
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May 22, 2009 10:38:33 GMT -6
Post by touchdownmaker on May 22, 2009 10:38:33 GMT -6
Its important for the TEAM to look good. I think thats the message. Its not about YOU. We just make it simple , we go over this with parents too, BLACK CLEATS, WHITE SOCKS, NO ADD ONS. We refer to the uniform code.
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May 22, 2009 10:40:56 GMT -6
Post by sin86 on May 22, 2009 10:40:56 GMT -6
Guilty here also phantom. I remember thinking that all of the teams that looked good must also play good. In my neck of the woods it was usually true.
I don't know the right or wrong answer for what is too much individualism vs. team, but I know the more I fight the everyone must be the same to be on this team, the more kids I lose. I am going to worry about the things that detract from us looking like a team. Everything else I could care less about.
Had a friend that was 5-1 at the start of the season. They had a game with a county rival and he was uptight, went off on the starting QB about him primping in the mirror before the ballgame. Did not win another game and ended up resigning his position. That one incident set a lot of stuff in motion.
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May 22, 2009 10:41:58 GMT -6
Post by lyons on May 22, 2009 10:41:58 GMT -6
I don't try and deter it, I always tell those kids -- look good to play good.
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May 22, 2009 10:48:44 GMT -6
Post by touchdownmaker on May 22, 2009 10:48:44 GMT -6
Wow, I have some pretty rag tag looking kids. Shirts ripped, untucked, dusty cleats, dirt on helmets and unwashed game pants. They still play pretty good. Funny how some of us coaches view simple things so differently. I can honestly say NOBODY primps on my team, not because I dont allow it but because its the kind of kids we have. One kid showed up with black wrist bands once....once. We ran him through the ringer for his play on film day, the wrist bands disappeared because I told him that it was easier to find on him film, he had my attention. lol.
we are a dw team. no use in trying to stand out much, pretty much just a scrum out there.
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May 22, 2009 10:53:22 GMT -6
Post by phantom on May 22, 2009 10:53:22 GMT -6
Wow, I have some pretty rag tag looking kids. Shirts ripped, untucked, dusty cleats, dirt on helmets and unwashed game pants. They still play pretty good. Funny how some of us coaches view simple things so differently. I can honestly say NOBODY primps on my team, not because I dont allow it but because its the kind of kids we have. One kid showed up with black wrist bands once....once. We ran him through the ringer for his play on film day, the wrist bands disappeared because I told him that it was easier to find on him film, he had my attention. lol. we are a dw team. no use in trying to stand out much, pretty much just a scrum out there. Yeah and I played in the glitzy, glamorous hard coal region of northeast PA.
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May 22, 2009 11:10:18 GMT -6
Post by atalbert on May 22, 2009 11:10:18 GMT -6
I always tell the kids that they should feel like they look good before they go out on the field. Usually, that means making their eye black look a certain way or putting their helmet stickers on a certain way.
We don't have team shoes, so you get a mix of colors. We tell them they need to be white or black and may have royal blue on them. We tell them to keep the receipt just in case we don't let them wear them. Helmets get cleaned on Thursdays so the helmet stickers will stick when we give them out on Fridays.
Other than that, if a kid wants to wear a sweat band, is it really that big of a deal? If he likes the way the sweat band looks and it makes him feel good and that gives him a little self-confidence...great. Go for it. Now if the sweatband is bright green, that's different. If the officials are OK with it and the item is within team colors, go ahead.
I try not to fight battles I don't need to. I have enough to worry about on game night. I just tell them that sweatband better make them a better tackler, otherwise it will be sitting on the bench...next to them.
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May 22, 2009 11:44:02 GMT -6
Post by tothehouse on May 22, 2009 11:44:02 GMT -6
We don't mind that stuff.....what we do mind?
The last guys out of the lockeroom. If a kid, or a group of kids are the last ones out of the lockeroom game day we give them conditioning. We don't mind primping, but when it's excessive and more important than going out and getting ready then we get pissed.
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May 22, 2009 11:47:12 GMT -6
Post by coachnichols on May 22, 2009 11:47:12 GMT -6
Other than that, if a kid wants to wear a sweat band, is it really that big of a deal? If he likes the way the sweat band looks and it makes him feel good and that gives him a little self-confidence...great. Go for it. Now if the sweatband is bright green, that's different. If the officials are OK with it and the item is within team colors, go ahead. I try not to fight battles I don't need to. I have enough to worry about on game night. I just tell them that sweatband better make them a better tackler, otherwise it will be sitting on the bench...next to them. I'm with phantom and atalbert on this one. Assuming what they are doing is within the rules and is our school colors, what is it hurting to let a kid wear spats, eye black, sweatbands, etc. If it doesn't cause a problem, then it's not a problem. I think too many coaches are "old school" in their way of thinking and think everyone should be like teams were in the 50's, 60's, and 70's. Times are a little different and so are our kids--they have grown up differently so their way of thinking is different. If a coach wants to do things a certain way, then more power to him. It just seems a little restrictive to outlaw tape on the ankles (for example). We seem to have a lot of what I call "rinkydink rules" like this one (spats) in our league. They don't seem to be about the game as much as they are about coaches/AD's not wanting to deal with it, so they get a rule passed against it so no one can do it (i.e. we can't use eye black or paint of any kind, wristbands, those small bands around the elbows, spatting, facemask visors without a doctor's note, etc.)
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May 22, 2009 11:50:35 GMT -6
Post by dbeck84 on May 22, 2009 11:50:35 GMT -6
I think the important issue is that primping can't be more important than performance on the field. If my star running back wants to wear a shield or my stud mike backer likes wearing a bandanna on his head, I don't have a problem with it. As long as theire performance on the field can back up their primping in the locker room.
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May 22, 2009 12:04:43 GMT -6
Post by phantom on May 22, 2009 12:04:43 GMT -6
Other than that, if a kid wants to wear a sweat band, is it really that big of a deal? If he likes the way the sweat band looks and it makes him feel good and that gives him a little self-confidence...great. Go for it. Now if the sweatband is bright green, that's different. If the officials are OK with it and the item is within team colors, go ahead. I try not to fight battles I don't need to. I have enough to worry about on game night. I just tell them that sweatband better make them a better tackler, otherwise it will be sitting on the bench...next to them. I'm with phantom and atalbert on this one. Assuming what they are doing is within the rules and is our school colors, what is it hurting to let a kid wear spats, eye black, sweatbands, etc. If it doesn't cause a problem, then it's not a problem. I think too many coaches are "old school" in their way of thinking and think everyone should be like teams were in the 50's, 60's, and 70's. Times are a little different and so are our kids--they have grown up differently so their way of thinking is different. If a coach wants to do things a certain way, then more power to him. It just seems a little restrictive to outlaw tape on the ankles (for example). We seem to have a lot of what I call "rinkydink rules" like this one (spats) in our league. They don't seem to be about the game as much as they are about coaches/AD's not wanting to deal with it, so they get a rule passed against it so no one can do it (i.e. we can't use eye black or paint of any kind, wristbands, those small bands around the elbows, spatting, facemask visors without a doctor's note, etc.) Actually I played in the 60s and 70s ande started coaching in the 70s. I do want to emphasize that I don't mind kids thinking about how they look but we do not want them so individualistic as to separate them from the team.
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May 22, 2009 12:10:56 GMT -6
Post by John Knight on May 22, 2009 12:10:56 GMT -6
Dirty Game pants? WOW!
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May 22, 2009 12:41:18 GMT -6
Post by mariner42 on May 22, 2009 12:41:18 GMT -6
I draw the line at looking like a clown. I emphasize the need to look good (Read: look classy) and the self-respect you need to have in order to do so. Shirt un-tucked? No effin' way. Dirty game pants? HATE IT. Wristbands that match his gloves, under armour, and shoes? Fine by me. If he's a scrub, then he's a well-dressed scrub. If he's a baller, then more power to him, then he's looking good while balling.
I don't need 45 matching clones on the field, but I do want to see a team with enough of pride and self-respect to demand a certain aesthetic. First class or no class, my boys will hear me say that about 500 times over the course of a season.
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May 22, 2009 14:24:52 GMT -6
Post by calicoachh on May 22, 2009 14:24:52 GMT -6
our section has outlawed all "non-nessecary adornments" the wristbands up on the biceps and on the calves and whatnot. we don't allow those as if you wear them out onto the field, the ref will send you off. that hurts the team. my personal favorite is receiving gloves, i give our recievers two drops, then the gloves come off and you can use what God gave you.
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May 22, 2009 14:33:30 GMT -6
Post by atalbert on May 22, 2009 14:33:30 GMT -6
my personal favorite is receiving gloves, i give our recievers two drops, then the gloves come off and you can use what God gave you. I think I have to go the other way on that. I would rather FORCE everyone that may even have the remote chance of catching a ball to wear gloves. I don't know how a kid could DROP a ball wearing those. We had an extra pair of those NFL Reebok gloves my first year and I could catch anything thrown at me one-handed with them. Last year I bought a pair of UA Cold Gear receiver gloves and they're even better. If I would have had those in high school, I can honestly say I don't think I would have ever dropped a ball.
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May 22, 2009 15:30:20 GMT -6
Post by airman on May 22, 2009 15:30:20 GMT -6
eyes front... what is that on your uniform
a a twisted sister pin... sir
A twisted sister pin on your uniform... why you are worthess and weak... now drop and give me twenty.
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May 22, 2009 15:32:53 GMT -6
Post by touchdownmaker on May 22, 2009 15:32:53 GMT -6
Im lucky when some of my kids launder their school clothes let alone their football gear. Seriously, some kids wear the same clothes every day of the year. seriously.
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May 22, 2009 15:43:21 GMT -6
Post by phantom on May 22, 2009 15:43:21 GMT -6
Im lucky when some of my kids launder their school clothes let alone their football gear. Seriously, some kids wear the same clothes every day of the year. seriously. Man, where are you coaching, Haiti?
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May 22, 2009 15:52:06 GMT -6
Post by airman on May 22, 2009 15:52:06 GMT -6
Im lucky when some of my kids launder their school clothes let alone their football gear. Seriously, some kids wear the same clothes every day of the year. seriously. you are not kidding. i just saw a study two weeks ago. less then 50% of the people in this study shower daily. most people in this study wear their blue jeans for a week straight. it does not suprise me that kids would wear the same clothes. we wash are game clothes at school. put a load in saturday morning. we even have laundry bags for each kid. we do loads every day.
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May 22, 2009 15:53:26 GMT -6
Post by touchdownmaker on May 22, 2009 15:53:26 GMT -6
I wish we had a laundry set up at school. I might be inclined to wash these pinnies a bit more lol.
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May 23, 2009 3:30:52 GMT -6
Post by mariner42 on May 23, 2009 3:30:52 GMT -6
most people in this study wear their blue jeans for a week straight. I actually find 'em more comfortable at the end of that week, but that's just me :-P
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May 23, 2009 8:07:26 GMT -6
Post by justryn2 on May 23, 2009 8:07:26 GMT -6
our section has outlawed all "non-nessecary adornments" the wristbands up on the biceps and on the calves and whatnot. we don't allow those as if you wear them out onto the field, the ref will send you off. that hurts the team. Actually, these are all outlawed by NFHS rules.
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May 23, 2009 8:35:03 GMT -6
Post by coachorr on May 23, 2009 8:35:03 GMT -6
In the spats thread there's a lot of talk about kids wearing them just for show and about kids being too worried about looking good. While I agree that we want to keep individualism from detracting from the team concept I don't think there's anything wrong with kids wanting to look good. Before a game, when the players are primping themselves into their usis, I'll sometimes hear a coach complain about it or even yell at them. Before every game that I ever played, though, the last thing I ever did before leaving the locker room was put my helmet on, go in the bathroom, and look in the mirror to see how I looked. Had to stand in line to get to the mirror, too. Kids today want the coolest looking facemask? So did I. They want a favorite player's number? Guilty here, too. Nowadays they wear wrist bands. We wore forearm pads, a totally useless piece of equipment even in the day of the forearm shiver. I know coaches who say that they never did that. I'm not calling them liars. I just think that most are victims of selective memory. It's all about being a kid. I too was that way. I HAD to have FOREARM pads. And they looked so sweet. Good Call Phantom. ;D
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May 23, 2009 8:36:59 GMT -6
Post by coachorr on May 23, 2009 8:36:59 GMT -6
Its important for the TEAM to look good. I think thats the message. Its not about YOU. We just make it simple , we go over this with parents too, BLACK CLEATS, WHITE SOCKS, NO ADD ONS. We refer to the uniform code. We give them the socks. Black, white and orange. We just spent $35,000 on Nike Unis (booster took care of it), and the kids went nuts.
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May 23, 2009 8:40:29 GMT -6
Post by coachorr on May 23, 2009 8:40:29 GMT -6
Im lucky when some of my kids launder their school clothes let alone their football gear. Seriously, some kids wear the same clothes every day of the year. seriously. Man, where are you coaching, Haiti? Haiti? ;D Now that's funny.
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May 23, 2009 8:42:03 GMT -6
Post by coachorr on May 23, 2009 8:42:03 GMT -6
I don't try and deter it, I always tell those kids -- look good to play good. Look good + Play good = Winning = more chicks.
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May 23, 2009 13:03:02 GMT -6
Post by eghscoach on May 23, 2009 13:03:02 GMT -6
Try to put my older & better players in Revolutions. Had a rising senior this spring (will be one of my top guys) who said he wanted an old Air helmet because the Revolution "made his head look tto big". It is about the chicks. At my place your you know your head is BIG when you get issued a DNA.
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May 25, 2009 12:25:29 GMT -6
Post by fbdoc on May 25, 2009 12:25:29 GMT -6
We are going to look GOOD! Jerseys, Pants, Helmets & Decals, and socks! But WE are going to look good! The QB is not going to have 3 wrist bands and the LB in not going to have spats or any of that other crap. Its a Team and we are going to dress as a team. And the coaches are going to have the same polo shirt! Its a team!
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May 25, 2009 22:58:45 GMT -6
Post by coachdubyah on May 25, 2009 22:58:45 GMT -6
This topic really doesn't bother me...until last season we had guy put ORANGE SOCKS over his cleats. Toe was not even cut out. He looked like Hulk Hogan back in the 80's. He had to take them off, mainly because he looked ridiculously. I dont care about the spats, but they have to be black or white. Must match the shoes. Wristbands 2 on each arm the max. Just don't get crazy with it.
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May 26, 2009 3:29:22 GMT -6
Post by shortpunter on May 26, 2009 3:29:22 GMT -6
A lot of this junk filters down from Showboats on Sunday. Act like you have been here before.
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