coachbigelow
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Post by coachbigelow on Mar 10, 2009 17:21:47 GMT -6
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ccox16
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Post by ccox16 on Mar 10, 2009 18:25:42 GMT -6
no offense coach pope but why do you always post in all caps?
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coachmpope
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Post by coachmpope on Mar 10, 2009 18:29:20 GMT -6
Sorry about that....I do not see real well ...it is easier to see! I try not to to but I forget sometimes!
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ccox16
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Post by ccox16 on Mar 10, 2009 19:11:17 GMT -6
I was just wondering, just something i have noticed lately.
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Post by red2slam on Mar 11, 2009 6:50:06 GMT -6
those of you who think this isnt a big deal....think again. football has a bullseye between its eyes. Their is a serious push by those in washington to remake the sports landscape in america. Their is a serious push to make soccer what tackle football is. They are going to do everything but outlaw the game if they can/are allowed. Your already seeing it. They want to ban fighting in hockey a.k.a violence. You can translate that into blocking and tackling. The A-11 anybody. do I need to go into title 9 and how football has more than its share of participation crap? The fairness doctrine anybody? Television Revenue?
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Post by oldindian on Mar 11, 2009 7:45:00 GMT -6
What are some things that we as coaches can do to make sure our sport is given the respect it deserves?
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Post by olinecoach61 on Mar 11, 2009 8:27:47 GMT -6
It amazes me how some don't see the benefits of athletics in creating a well rounded disciplined student athlete. Football in particular instills so many American values, its a shame things like this are allowed to go on.
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Post by red2slam on Mar 12, 2009 11:31:22 GMT -6
oline the values that american consider desirable, the same taught inf football are the ones under direct attack....what they want to replace them with? is sort of scary.
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Post by struceri on Mar 12, 2009 11:43:22 GMT -6
"Senator Albertson the sponsor of the bill said the proposal isn't intended to punish students who are doing well. He said he only wants to encourage students who are not preforming well in the classroom to do better." That's funny, because if it goes through then the kids who are doing well will be punished. I thought if you didn't make the grades you were ineligible? Isn't that enough?
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Post by silkyice on Mar 12, 2009 14:03:44 GMT -6
"Senator Albertson the sponsor of the bill said the proposal isn't intended to punish students who are doing well. He said he only wants to encourage students who are not preforming well in the classroom to do better." That's funny, because if it goes through then the kids who are doing well will be punished. I thought if you didn't make the grades you were ineligible? Isn't that enough? The other thing that is funny, half the student have to be in the lower 50 percentile. That is what percentiles mean. If every single kid in North Carolina could get into Harvard, there would still be 1 out of 2 kids who is in the lower 50 percentile in North Carolina.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Mar 12, 2009 15:26:11 GMT -6
After reading through this again, all of us have a sound, rational perspective on this.
I printed off the bill... I'll give it a little time next week when I speak at a clinic (we have a bill here in Nebraska that would wipe out high school athletics, which I will address as well).
those of you who think this isnt a big deal....think again.
Good point. Very good point.
Please do not take this as condemnation... but there is a lot more we can and should do than complain about it.
I learned a lot by testifying at the state legislature. I think we all need to be involved when ignorance like this threatens not just "our way"... but when it threatens the "right way".
Get parents involved (I know-scary). Go through the right channels to get athletes involved. After being at the legislature twice, I learned that they are more likely to listen to:
Children (anyone 18 or younger) People who are brief and have conviction (and are not overbearing) Those who can point out how damages by such bills go well beyond their own personal situation and afflict countless others. And those who leave time open for questions.
Personally, I do not want to see football or any other athletic endeavor taken away from any school that wants to keep it... no need to rehash the reasons- they are all above.
If speaking isn't your thing, write letters, or get petitions going... it both baffles me and makes sense to me that legislatures are similar to (some) school administrations- 99.9% of the people are happy...0.1% is fuming mad and storms in and demands changes... and we get changes.
It is high time the MAJORITY (or COMMON SENSE MAJORITY) flexes its muscles a bit and pressures from the other side.
Like Woody Hayes said the great thing about football is you learn "when you get knocked down, get up!"
We might not be knocked down just yet...but we also learn to hit back (or if you like Larry Csonka..."I've always felt that when it came down to an inevitable physical (or political...in this case) confrontation, I always thought it showed a higher degree of intelligence to do the inflicting first"
People who do not, can not, will not understand are trying to take from us one of the few competitive enterprises that we have left that demands that we live with the results we have earned- not by lawsuits, not by inheritance, not by welfare...but by dedication to persistence, hard work and sacrifice.
If we go by the wayside... look for the nation to follow shortly.
Just my take on things...
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Post by jpdaley25 on Mar 12, 2009 16:47:57 GMT -6
You've got my vote, Senator!
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Post by gdoggwr on Mar 13, 2009 7:37:19 GMT -6
OK, I read the bill... I'm confused. do the mean the state percentiles? do the mean a simple majority (51%). It doesn't say. If they don't mean the state percentiles then every school in the state will have exactly half of their population below the 50th %ile. which actually isn't a majority. If the mean the percentiles for the entire state, it should stinking say so.
The other think is, because of the nature of percentiles after two years you could have about half of the schools in the state ineligible for athletics.
Motivation my butt! Its a direct attempt to eliminate sports.
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Post by gdoggwr on Mar 13, 2009 7:38:38 GMT -6
By the way, log a second vote for Senator Blutarsky
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Post by unc31 on Mar 13, 2009 7:52:32 GMT -6
I don't agree with you on that. Football is important in NC. This politician is an idiot, no doubt, but football is very important in many parts of NC. It is important to the communities, the schools and the players. Not everything can be measured in monetary terms. My supplement is over $10,000 just for football. That is not bad when coupled with a teaching salary of over $50,000 to teach two football weights classes. I also get extra supplements for Asst. AD, field maintenance, strength and conditioning......so all in all not a bad package. I do understand that some coaches in SC get a lot more, but certainly not that all of them. Now Texas may be a different story. I understand your point, but all of NC's coaches are not working at Middle School salaries.
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ccox16
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Post by ccox16 on Mar 13, 2009 8:46:20 GMT -6
10 GRAND?? are you serious?? as an assistant in florida my stipend is around 2,000 and its only paid during the season. we pretty much do off season for free.
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Post by oldindian on Mar 13, 2009 13:19:58 GMT -6
If you want to hear Senator Albertson being interviewed on the bill go to highschoolot.com and listen to the interview done by Nick Stevens.
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Post by dubber on Mar 13, 2009 14:13:45 GMT -6
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coachbigelow
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Post by coachbigelow on Mar 13, 2009 14:39:47 GMT -6
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Post by hugh on Mar 13, 2009 15:41:34 GMT -6
NC tests high school students in ten subject areas. The senator's bill refers to performance on those tests. If 50% or more of the students do not score a "level three" on those tests for two years, athletics would be dropped. There are four levels of performance. A three equals to approximately an eighty. This measuremt is for final exams in those subjects. A student can pass the class and test numerically (70 is passing) but still be rated as not proficient because of the exam.
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Post by unc31 on Mar 13, 2009 18:47:04 GMT -6
I find it very interesting that this politician refers to low test scores in grades 3 through 8. Last time I checked there were no players that age on any HS teams. The gentleman said he was from Duplin County. This is an extrememly rural area of eastern NC which is a farming community and in particular pickles and hogs.
One of the schools from Duplin County won the state title in 2007 and several others have been highly successful in football in the past 8-10 years.
I know all of the football coaches in Duplin County and not one of them puts football before the classroom. They are all fine men with the best interest of the kids in mind.
This gentelman is very misguided.
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Post by irishbulldog on Mar 14, 2009 10:47:27 GMT -6
Has this politician ever been in a lower scoring school? I coach in one of the lower 50th percentile schools in Indiana. These schools have students who need athletics. The only reason a number of our players graduate is because they have to come to school in the fall for practice and games and in the spring to attend weights. Without these two reasons our scores would be much lower.
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 14, 2009 12:21:07 GMT -6
Has this politician ever been in a lower scoring school? I coach in one of the lower 50th percentile schools in Indiana. These schools have students who need athletics. The only reason a number of our players graduate is because they have to come to school in the fall for practice and games and in the spring to attend weights. Without these two reasons our scores would be much lower. He probably hasn't. Lawmakers and schoolboard members (depending on the size of the district) don't have their kids at schools such of these. They don't relate with the family environments that send their kids to these schools. That never stops them from making decisions that affect these schools though.
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