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Post by touchdownmaker on Feb 3, 2009 10:34:21 GMT -6
I hate the pressure to win in hs. its stupid. I have a kid who does everything I ask him to do, does it hard and fast and has more heart in his pinky than many top athletes have ever had in their lives im sure. unfortunately hes not very athletic and is very weak. he would just get run over if he was on the field. I am planning to play him often this year but its got to be spot play when the game is pretty well decided.
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Post by cnunley on Feb 3, 2009 12:19:35 GMT -6
b]I lift at the fitness center [/b] What is stopping him from lifting at the school and fitness center? I use to lift at school and at home and I think it did good. I gave up football because of injuries, but I never made excuses about lifting or summer practice. [/quote] Our JV QB who has vocally said he really wants the Varsity QB spot told me he works out with his dad at the fitness center. Several days ago I was at the fitness center at the same time as my player and his dad. Their idea of a Football workout was shooting basketball for 30 minutes and leaving. I thought it might have been a one time thing....thats all I ever see them do. So sad.
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Post by bigm0073 on Feb 3, 2009 13:34:25 GMT -6
Please tell me you are joking..... What? A fitness center..... Get the hell out of here...
Over Christmas the gym I am a member of moved right down the road from my school... It is sweet... All kinds of machines, pretty girls, cool temps... For me being almost 36 years old I get a good lift and some cardio (They have tons of machines and b-ball too). I love it...
I sent an email to my parents and explained to them "I do not want our players to use that for anything but "some" supplemental work... Maybe some cardio or b-ball....
I tell my kids this - When you see people workout at the new gym how many of them are 1. Squating (Properly_ 2. Cleaning 3. Jerking 4. Snatching 5. ABS - WIth medecine balls.. 6. Plyos
No they are are doing sissy old beach workouts (What I do)... They are NOT TRAINING FOR FOOTBALL!!
Tell that idiot to take a hike. He wants to lift away from his team and not be there doing the hard work in December, January, February, March... Than you really do not need him...
I mean come on how good can the kid really be... All of the studs I coached were ANIMALS in the weight room in really lifts not curls and whatever.... Plus you usually had to chase them out.
Tell him to go to the "Fitness Center" and do the treadmill with Mommy and Daddy... Who needs that garbage!! PLEEEASE!!
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Post by dubber on Feb 3, 2009 14:23:51 GMT -6
Kid shows up after not lifting the whole summer, then proceeds to "twist his ankle" after the second conditioning session in doubles. His ankle gets better and worse with the drills we are doing. If its a drill that he doesn't have to run or get hit, the ankle is fine. Over the course of three weeks, he showed up with a variety of things to support he was injured. He would have the trainer waste tape and time taping it. The next day, he would have a brace, the next an aircast. The limp would get noticably worse when he thought people were watching. He even went so far as to show up on crutches one day and practice the next. I told him he didn't have to participate in any drill he didn't want to, but he had to be doing push ups the whole time the drill was being run if he wasn't in it. After doing over 1000 push ups (or half push-ups) he showed up the next day with a back brace - but NO limp or ankle brace. I used it as my entertainment for about 6 weeks until he quit showing up. We had a kid like this...... Day one of contact, rolls his ankle Day two, wears an Ace bandage Day three, crutches I come in day 4, and this kid (whose locker is right next to the coaches office) is in a wheel-chair. I barely made it inside the door before I died laughing.
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Post by bigdog2003 on Feb 3, 2009 14:57:40 GMT -6
Kid shows up after not lifting the whole summer, then proceeds to "twist his ankle" after the second conditioning session in doubles. His ankle gets better and worse with the drills we are doing. If its a drill that he doesn't have to run or get hit, the ankle is fine. Over the course of three weeks, he showed up with a variety of things to support he was injured. He would have the trainer waste tape and time taping it. The next day, he would have a brace, the next an aircast. The limp would get noticably worse when he thought people were watching. He even went so far as to show up on crutches one day and practice the next. I told him he didn't have to participate in any drill he didn't want to, but he had to be doing push ups the whole time the drill was being run if he wasn't in it. After doing over 1000 push ups (or half push-ups) he showed up the next day with a back brace - but NO limp or ankle brace. I used it as my entertainment for about 6 weeks until he quit showing up. We had a kid like this...... Day one of contact, rolls his ankle Day two, wears an Ace bandage Day three, crutches I come in day 4, and this kid (whose locker is right next to the coaches office) is in a wheel-chair.I barely made it inside the door before I died laughing. For a rolled ankle, I sprained mine pretty bad one time hiking and had to walk 10 miles to the car. I guess the working out thing depends on the person. I used to lift at school, then go home and lift on a plan the s&c coach gave me.
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Post by bighit65 on Feb 3, 2009 17:48:22 GMT -6
Here's another question having to do with this thread. What if the HC only keeps the weight room open 3 hours a week during summer and a few of the kids lift with a coach on staff at the gym in town doing a football workout. Do those still count?
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Post by k on Feb 3, 2009 18:12:57 GMT -6
LOL we had some kids go out for tennis one year to get out of lifting. We talked to the tennis coach and he cut them! We don't have tennis courts at our school... Our "best captain" this upcoming year is a tennis player. After tennis he uses the tennis serve thing to catch tennis balls to improve his hands and then goes and lifts & runs. Now THATS a tennis player. =)
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Post by coachcb on Feb 3, 2009 20:08:02 GMT -6
I've been down the "fitness center" road before; it's a serious pain in the neck. I coached at a school that had a Gold's Gym a block away from it and we had numerous kids ditching workouts to go over there.
-If they were actually lifting, they were benching and doing curls.
-Mom and dad were signing them up for personal training sessions with bodybuilders; further perpetuating the idea that all they need to do is BENCH AND CURLS!! Also, we had more than a few of these personal trainers underminding our school weight training programs.
-The kids were getting involved with steroids because drugs were pretty common at this particular gym. And this is more common than people realize; fitness centers and gyms are generally where these drugs are dealt.
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Post by champ93 on Feb 3, 2009 21:06:44 GMT -6
It's refreshing to see others have the same issues as I. It's good to know I'm not alone.
In 2007, we had a 6'2" 380 lb freshman--never was allowed to play football due to our youth league wt limits. He actually is fairly flexible (yes, fat bends) with pretty good feet. He had a series of bumps and bruises, missed at least one practice a week and complained to his parents that "the coaches weren't working him hard enough."
Last off-season, he was about a 50% attender for about 2 months, then joined track (threw the shot a whole 23 feet!) to avoid the wt room. He survived summer workouts, but was "injured" the day after pictures. His injury was disputed by our trainer, but he eventually found a doc to write him off for the season (his injury was a result of a golfing with his dad). He saved face with his injury, would show up to the JV games in his jersey, drawing the ire of his teammates. His physical therapy appointments were the excuses to not attend practice.
This off-season he missed the first 2 weeks. I confronted him (he's about 425 now), told him to make a decision; one way or the other, I didn't much care, but the other kids deserve to know. Needless to say, he has never shown, thus removed "unofficially" from the team. Now the locals can use the fact that "another big kid doesn't want to play football, must be the coaches' fault."
The reality was we weren't even going to have this kid lift much. Get him on the bike, have him work with the trainer on nutrition and try to lose, let's say 100 POUNDS and maybe live past 25. But he'd rather hang with the theatre crowd.
This is just a lazy kid that everybody thinks should be a football player simply because he is huge. Other people want it more for him than he does.
Sadly, the program is out about $75 bucks for some special order 5x game pants from Omar the tent maker.
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Post by bigm0073 on Feb 3, 2009 21:11:51 GMT -6
Here's another question having to do with this thread. What if the HC only keeps the weight room open 3 hours a week during summer and a few of the kids lift with a coach on staff at the gym in town doing a football workout. Do those still count?
SHAME ON THAT COACH..... Tell that coach to coach the golf or tennis team... That is crap... Now back to the gym -
We have blue cards kids fill out and they can only be filled out at school....
Here is a suggestion (Something I am thinking about doing in the spring)..
Have a strength/Conditioning/Speed Clinic for parents. Have your strength coach present your program to the parents (philosophy, theory, lifts, kind of lifts.......).
Start with a power point presentation and then take them to the weight room and field for demonstrations.... Explain to them the theory behind explosive lifts like cleans and the such.. Squats, dead lifts, front squat, overhead squats, flexibility... core work.... Review your speed/agility and conditioning routine.....
For our program it is a big picture. 1. Phases - Strength Development 2. Power Phase 3. Core development 4. We are very, very big on explosive movements 5. Speed work 6. agility 7. Conditioning
We are on a 2 on one off... 2 on 2 off... *M-T-THR-F... There is NO way that this is getting done at some sorry / half azz gym... I do not care about trainers...blah, blah, blah...
Now I am fortunate - My current strength coach and former strength coach are both CSCS certified and both worked with professional sports teams...
Also our parents are aware that it is an "unwritten rule" ... If you do not workout with the team and fill out blue cards - I will ride you, push, prod and eventually the other members of the team (Peer pressure) will basically vote you off the island without me having to do it...... No way this kid will last... No way...
Again I do not want to hear "he is a great player... Bull"... He is not a legit player - no way. This is not 1988..... Legit D-IA players are the total package today. They workout, go to camps, 7 on 7.... They are showcased and the coaches see them at a young age....As I said before cut him and focus on the kids you have who work hard. It will do you a lot of good in the long run, especially if you are trying to build a program for the duration.
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