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Post by CoachDaniel on Jan 26, 2009 10:40:03 GMT -6
In my experience, being more hands on makes a big difference in them actually following the work out. Lets face it, if you're supposed to do 70% and its 125, you want to put the big boy plates on there. So we check them, hammer that stuff, motivate them, constantly encourage and correct. We have 2 active coaches for 15 kids right now. In the past its been me alone, with about 30+ in a room (only 6 racks) and - while they get a good workout - they don't get it done right all the time.
As far as squats, we don't count squats that aren't deep enough. If you've just started hammering depth, there are a few who learned to do it wrong that you'll struggle to fix. When we do max tests we actually do a rep max, and sit there and count, and say "up" when they get low enough on each one. Don't count a bad one. But everyone that I started working with as an 8th grader, at least hits parallel on the back squat. Sometimes the front squat is a different story, probably because of their rack position. Overhead squats are fantastic for flexibility and balance. The kids hate them, but they can see the value after a couple of weeks when they start being able to do them correctly.
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Post by bigm0073 on Jan 26, 2009 10:45:32 GMT -6
Good points..
We often will clap or give a command for this kids who struggle with depth as well.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Jan 26, 2009 14:22:40 GMT -6
Our weight room is not good right now-
Of the 53 possible returning players, 9 are playing winter sports, and only 14 have been in the weight room 70% or better- for a whopping 25%... all I have to say is yuck & poo...
This does not include any player that is in weight lifting class with the HC. I don't have those numbers on hand.
I have HIGH expectations, but I'm not the trigger man in making it happen. I don't teach in the building, so I just have to coach the {censored} out of those who come.
I am thoroughly disgusted with our team. The ones in the weight room are reaping the benefits, but the other slugs are holding us down.
I actually worked with bigm when I was in VA, and the things that he says is the truth- those kids "walked the line" to play football, and they were street kids that most will never get out of the hood. You'd be surprised how kids will transform when you put a little pressure on them...
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Post by coachgeorge51 on Jan 26, 2009 18:39:54 GMT -6
We have the players yell "last set" on their last sets of each lift. It is really cool and draws attention to them in the room as they go for a record. I made this up several years ago and my new team has really gravitated to it. It brings them together as one of their teammates goes for a record.
We also chart everything using the old Nebraska phases (Boyd Epley). I make training logs for every player and they are required to chart all of the their gains year-round. The coaches sign out each player every day. We also start as a group and end as a group. We talk and discuss the day's effort, school, anything, etc.
I don't recruit the halls, don't beg players to stay, don't need the quitters. They will screw you every time. In fifteen years, I have never had a player stay with it that I had to convince. Human behavior simply doesn't work that way.
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Post by bigm0073 on Jan 26, 2009 19:40:51 GMT -6
Coach George I have to agree...
I do not beg or chase kids.
We wam up together and we end together as well. Sounds like you and I have a lot in common in the way we run things.
Do you use incentives like T-shirts or other things for goals (weight room clubs or record boards....)
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Post by coachgeorge51 on Jan 26, 2009 21:17:12 GMT -6
At heart, I don't really believe in external incentives. I think they can be valuable early in a program's development but once success is achieved and maintained........I don't see it as being necessary. I want my players to have total and complete ownership for their success.
In fact, I want them to win in spite of me. I am very demanding and try to be a daily challenge for them to deal with the pressure I put on them to perform. This, combined with the demands of a year-round program, creates a powerful chemistry amongst the kids. I want them to play for eachother, not me. So, I force them into situations where they have to depend on each other, be accountable to each other, and make it difficult for them to survive without each other.
I have always felt that kids who depend on each other (even love each other) will create lifelong memories and a friendships that will bind them forever. I want them to look back on their experience one day and say, "that was the hardest thing I ever did and I didn't quit."
Plain t-shirts, no mottos, no cliche', no rah rah speeches - only objective performance every day - I think I am going to buy a "punch clock" and mount it in the weight room so they have to punch in their chart and punch out when we finish. I think this would be a cool tradition and continue to build a work environment. I also found the players work harder with no music and only the sound of them and the weights.
I also began a "check-out" each day in and off season. After we break down, the players all line up and shake the hands of each coach. Great time to compliment the kids, give supportive words, etc. They love it and it is a special time in the practice. REALLY sets the tone for the day and tomorrow - also, no player leaves with a problem this way.
Let's try to talk tomorrow night - I saw you called but I am helping my son with a homework project right now.
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Post by beerandabrownthing on Jan 26, 2009 21:23:18 GMT -6
you need to move on. if they were going to hire you they would of come out and said that your their guy. there is a reason why they are waiting.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Jan 27, 2009 6:53:10 GMT -6
you need to move on. if they were going to hire you they would of come out and said that your their guy. there is a reason why they are waiting. WHA?
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Post by bigm0073 on Jan 27, 2009 9:02:25 GMT -6
Not sure either... Maybe he had one too many beers
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Jan 28, 2009 18:36:33 GMT -6
MMMM...beer.
I'm boycotting booze while my wife is pregnant- there is currently no one on EARTH that would like a glass of wine more than my wife right now.
May can't come quick enough
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2009 18:51:56 GMT -6
For us, the weight room isn't going great, but out of possibly 35 returning players, somwhere between 16-20 either wrestle or play basketball. I don't remember the exact number off the top of my head. And, we don't have weightlifting offered in PE. Some of those kids get in there when they can, which right now is once or twice a week.
Out of the fifteen or so who don't play a winter sport, only about five of them are seriously lifting and another 3 are "part-timers". I'm not sure the other half are even coming back out next year.
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Post by coachgeorge51 on Feb 1, 2009 15:26:20 GMT -6
Coaches, are you supported by other coaches and administration in telling multisport football players that they have to lift?
In football, I believe it is a safety issue that doesn't affect other sports the same way. We need to keep kids safe on the football field and cannot do this without demanding that they all lift, year-round.
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Post by phantom on Feb 1, 2009 15:57:53 GMT -6
Coaches, are you supported by other coaches and administration in telling multisport football players that they have to lift? In football, I believe it is a safety issue that doesn't affect other sports the same way. We need to keep kids safe on the football field and cannot do this without demanding that they all lift, year-round. We do not have a zero-hour, weight training class, or athletics period (please don't advise us to get one. It won't be happening especially with serious budget cuts coming up). That means that any lifting has to be done after school. Our winter sports coaches do not get in the way. When they can get there our winter athletes lift. The fact is that often they can't. That's not anyone's fault, it's just how it is.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Feb 2, 2009 10:16:04 GMT -6
I have recruited the cheerleaders to help me put pressure on the boys to lift.
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Post by oline23 on Feb 2, 2009 10:54:12 GMT -6
Our weight room is not going well at all. We got a new AD and he has changed the program we're using about 5 times.
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Post by coachgeorge51 on Feb 2, 2009 12:48:25 GMT -6
How does an A.D. have the power over a head coach to change the program you are using? I can see him creating a schedule for multiple groups to use the weight room but actually mandating your lifting program? ?
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Post by bigm0073 on Feb 2, 2009 13:21:02 GMT -6
Beat me to the punch on that one.... I have to agree. How can an AD make that kind of call? In my opinion he really is over stepping it a bit.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Feb 2, 2009 13:55:32 GMT -6
new record today. 11 kids in the weight room.
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Post by oline23 on Feb 2, 2009 15:38:51 GMT -6
The A.D. is the head football coach
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Post by coachgeorge51 on Feb 2, 2009 17:39:13 GMT -6
Well, I see your concern then. Sounds like you are an assistant so try to understand his rationale and publically support his decisions, however, don't be afraid to respectfully question him about his line of thinking - so you understand where he is coming from.
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Post by bigm0073 on Feb 2, 2009 19:43:13 GMT -6
Ohhh... I did not know that... Ok, yeah you have to support him or meet with him one one one...
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Post by touchdownmaker on Feb 3, 2009 4:39:43 GMT -6
hey fellas, yesterday we had two 8th graders show up for lifting. Both are highly motivated and even a bit cocky. Was hilarious to see them really. I heard the upper classmen talking to them about 'stay with this an you will be a Beast by the time the season arrives" and things like that. I told the kids that if they brought me more recruits Id give them more points.
sometimes its funny to see the contrast between a motivated 8th or 9th grader and compare it to an unmotivated senior and jr. My top two point guys are freshmen.
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Post by bigm0073 on Feb 3, 2009 8:09:56 GMT -6
Now you are talking my type of stuff... I love HUNGRY young players who push the juniors and seniors...
Players who play for me know I will play THE BEST player no matter what... If they are even I will probably go with the younger kid unless the older kid is really tough and hard nosed...
Groom your young players and before the older kids know it, they will take their job.
Competition breeds success!
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Post by brmurf on Feb 3, 2009 21:26:58 GMT -6
Well before this week weights were going well, have 2-3 coaches in the helping run the class and have 28 out of 35 returners in the class. The others are in Bball or for one reason or another could not get in the class---I also run a 6 am time two days a week and have avg 4 showing up then (although i told one to quit coming due to grades). Now this week has now sucked because we have been out for snow so we are now set back a week
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Post by PIGSKIN11 on Feb 4, 2009 13:15:53 GMT -6
Coach we use the safety squat beepers from BFS and theyw ork great - I tell the kids that the beep is there to CONFIRM they went low enough and I constantly remind them not to lift to the beep... in other words get your ass low and make sure it beeped...
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Post by touchdownmaker on Feb 6, 2009 14:23:26 GMT -6
Recently I gave out new football tees. I gave them to the 8th graders that were showing up to lift and told them to wear them in the ms. Two days later I have 3 new 8th graders "how do I get one of those?"....
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