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Jan 19, 2009 16:43:27 GMT -6
Post by waltflanagansdog on Jan 19, 2009 16:43:27 GMT -6
Two weeks ago I was called into the Superintendent's office and told that I was being "taken out of football". When I asked her why, her answer was "board pressure". During the meeting I was not told whether I was being reassigned, terminated, etc. Since that day this has been a rollecoaster of dung. No one will talk to me, but they think they have all the answers.
I was head coach for 2 years. The town kept harping on stability. I was the 5th coach since 1998. We made the playoffs last year for the first time since 1995. We had a pretty bad year this past year. Went 1-9 with sophomores making up 3/4 of the team. Several off the field issues made this the longest year of my life. I was never warned or disciplined or anything. This was a shock to me, the kids, and the staff. The superintendent has yet to give me my, whatever I was, in writing. Apparently she is having a problem wording it. The principal didn't speak to me until this past Friday, and the school board never talked to me either. Now there's a lot of crap online by former coaches, school members, parents, etc.
Like I said I could write a book about this, but there's not enough space on here. If you have any advice, or questions, feel free.
Just a bad deal all together.
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Jan 19, 2009 17:13:00 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2009 17:13:00 GMT -6
Two weeks ago I was called into the Superintendent's office and told that I was being "taken out of football". When I asked her why, her answer was "board pressure". During the meeting I was not told whether I was being reassigned, terminated, etc. Since that day this has been a rollecoaster of dung. No one will talk to me, but they think they have all the answers. I was head coach for 2 years. The town kept harping on stability. I was the 5th coach since 1998. We made the playoffs last year for the first time since 1995. We had a pretty bad year this past year. Went 1-9 with sophomores making up 3/4 of the team. Several off the field issues made this the longest year of my life. I was never warned or disciplined or anything. This was a shock to me, the kids, and the staff. The superintendent has yet to give me my, whatever I was, in writing. Apparently she is having a problem wording it. The principal didn't speak to me until this past Friday, and the school board never talked to me either. Now there's a lot of crap online by former coaches, school members, parents, etc. Like I said I could write a book about this, but there's not enough space on here. If you have any advice, or questions, feel free. Just a bad deal all together. Unless it's something you did wrong, screw em...it sounds like you were par for the course...again not a mathmetician, but 5 coaches in 10 years is a coach gone every 2 years, which would put you right on schedule. Sounds like an environmental issue coach
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Jan 19, 2009 17:16:14 GMT -6
Post by waltflanagansdog on Jan 19, 2009 17:16:14 GMT -6
Yeah, I've gotten a lot of "sounds like it may be a good thing" from other coaches.
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Jan 19, 2009 17:21:21 GMT -6
Post by touchdownmaker on Jan 19, 2009 17:21:21 GMT -6
Sad to hear this coach. Joe six pack gets on the board, wants the job so his son can be starting qb and youre screwed. It happens. I hope you and your family land on your feet.
one door closes, another opens. with your history (playoffs two years ago) you will find more work. hopefully its in your conference where you can come back and kick their butts.
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Jan 19, 2009 17:31:01 GMT -6
Post by cujo on Jan 19, 2009 17:31:01 GMT -6
God Bless you ,I went through the same thing
It is now the nature of the beast. Let me ask you,
Did you love your kids, did you try to put your kids in the best position, did you work as hard`as you could! Do you believe in God's way?
Then you did all you could do, sometimes their are not any answers. Best coach I have ever known was fired. Has landed back on his feet and has won 90% of his games. I promise you if YOU LOVE YOUR KIDS, and want football to make your kids better men, you have already proven you can coach. I don't buy that stuff of you had talent. I have seen coaches with talent not win. You can coach!
Sounds like you next job will be better because you won't have to be around those who don't apreciate your work
coach mac
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Jan 19, 2009 17:35:02 GMT -6
Post by fbdoc on Jan 19, 2009 17:35:02 GMT -6
Sorry Walt, I was in your shoes one year ago. 7 very good years, good numbers in the program, always competitive, no issues. Called into the headmasters office and told "we want to go in another direction!" I know now it was the AD (my former assistant and Head basketball coach) who engineered it. Was told I could stay as Dean and still assist in Track but no football.
Started sending out resumes - around Feb. 1 was contacted by another school about their AD vacancy. Long story short - great school, great admin, great results .... and a great salary. Hang in there and good things will happen.
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Jan 19, 2009 17:45:27 GMT -6
Post by airman on Jan 19, 2009 17:45:27 GMT -6
Two weeks ago I was called into the Superintendent's office and told that I was being "taken out of football". When I asked her why, her answer was "board pressure". During the meeting I was not told whether I was being reassigned, terminated, etc. Since that day this has been a rollecoaster of dung. No one will talk to me, but they think they have all the answers. I was head coach for 2 years. The town kept harping on stability. I was the 5th coach since 1998. We made the playoffs last year for the first time since 1995. We had a pretty bad year this past year. Went 1-9 with sophomores making up 3/4 of the team. Several off the field issues made this the longest year of my life. I was never warned or disciplined or anything. This was a shock to me, the kids, and the staff. The superintendent has yet to give me my, whatever I was, in writing. Apparently she is having a problem wording it. The principal didn't speak to me until this past Friday, and the school board never talked to me either. Now there's a lot of crap online by former coaches, school members, parents, etc. Like I said I could write a book about this, but there's not enough space on here. If you have any advice, or questions, feel free. Just a bad deal all together. I do not know where you are from but in my neck of the woods this would be a union violation and thus you would have some options. even so I think a good lawyer would fight this. often times coaches are easy to push around. I found out the hard way one time and I hired a lawyer. needless to say after we were done with the district a whole new school board came into play and the AD along with the principal were looking for jobs. the super just barely saved his butt. not ot mention I walked away with money and a glowing letter in my job folder.
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Jan 19, 2009 17:47:26 GMT -6
Post by airman on Jan 19, 2009 17:47:26 GMT -6
Two weeks ago I was called into the Superintendent's office and told that I was being "taken out of football". When I asked her why, her answer was "board pressure". During the meeting I was not told whether I was being reassigned, terminated, etc. Since that day this has been a rollecoaster of dung. No one will talk to me, but they think they have all the answers. I was head coach for 2 years. The town kept harping on stability. I was the 5th coach since 1998. We made the playoffs last year for the first time since 1995. We had a pretty bad year this past year. Went 1-9 with sophomores making up 3/4 of the team. Several off the field issues made this the longest year of my life. I was never warned or disciplined or anything. This was a shock to me, the kids, and the staff. The superintendent has yet to give me my, whatever I was, in writing. Apparently she is having a problem wording it. The principal didn't speak to me until this past Friday, and the school board never talked to me either. Now there's a lot of crap online by former coaches, school members, parents, etc. Like I said I could write a book about this, but there's not enough space on here. If you have any advice, or questions, feel free. Just a bad deal all together. I do not know where you are from but in my neck of the woods this would be a union violation and thus you would have some options. even so I think a good lawyer would fight this. you are not going to get your job back. you just need to make sure they pay for your pain and suffering. often times coaches are easy to push around. I found out the hard way one time and I hired a lawyer. needless to say after we were done with the district a whole new school board came into play and the AD along with the principal were looking for jobs. the super just barely saved his butt. not OT mention I walked away with money and a glowing letter in my job folder.
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Jan 19, 2009 18:03:18 GMT -6
Post by coachcb on Jan 19, 2009 18:03:18 GMT -6
I agree with airman on this one.
If you have done right by your kids and are being run out because of politics and over-zealous parents, then stand your ground. It sounds like this school board has been causing a lot of issues over the years; fighting back may put an end to that.
As airman stated, coaches and teachers have become easy targets in these situations. No one figures a teacher/coach will get a lawyer and fight back. Honestly, just bringing a lawyer into the situation may take the wind out of their sails. A school board isn't going to want a long, drawn out legal battle because one of them has a grudge.
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Jan 19, 2009 18:41:23 GMT -6
Post by coachinghopeful on Jan 19, 2009 18:41:23 GMT -6
Yeah, I've gotten a lot of "sounds like it may be a good thing" from other coaches. Aw man I'm sorry. I can tell from your posts that you put everything into this job and did right by the kids. That's all you can ask for. This is not your fault. Remember that if you have a hard time holding your head up. You did the right thing and you'll get your chance again in a better place. Remember that. You're better off getting out of there now instead of devoting year after year to these ingrates. This has to be an environmental issue and it can't possibly be your fault. If it was, they would have explained why and what your status was. Someone with pull either doesn't have the patience to let someone turn this thing around or he wants to stick a crony in there for another 2 years until someone pleases whatever ridiculous, unknown standard he has. Maybe he expects 10 wins a year. Maybe he wants his kid to play at QB and throw every down. Who knows, and at this point, who cares? When I was a player in HS, our HC got fired a year after taking us to the first playoff appearence in school history because the QBs parents didn't like him and our backstabbing OC (who was also his former college teammate, as well as an Alderman, the AD's brother, and a former star at the school's predecessor) wanted him out. Stuff like this is par for the course, and crappy things like this is why they lose every year. In trying to look at the bright side... at least now you have some HC experience, which taught you a lot about football and yourself, plus it will look good on a resume. Hopefully this can be an opportunity for you to grow personally and professionally, which you can use in getting a better job. Those people clearly don't deserve you or any serious coach. I'm sorry for the kids, though.
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Jan 19, 2009 19:32:16 GMT -6
Post by waltflanagansdog on Jan 19, 2009 19:32:16 GMT -6
Thanks for the encouragement coaches. I truly appreciate it. Backstabbing seems to be a way of life in this town. My DC, who have up way too many points, was one of the leaders in the backstabbing. He is now trying to get the job, but the kids are making sure that doesn't happen.
To answer the questions...
Did you love your kids - very much so, and they know it. did you try to put your kids in the best position - as best I could in the situations provided. did you work as hard`as you could - God yes! Just ask my wife and child whom I never see. Do you believe in God's way? - Very much so, yes.
Airman - check your PM.
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Jan 19, 2009 20:03:31 GMT -6
Post by coachd5085 on Jan 19, 2009 20:03:31 GMT -6
walt--generally I abhor the super litigious society we have become. However, If you can't beat them, join them. I would look at the lawyer possibility, if for no other reason than VENGEANCE .
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Jan 19, 2009 20:13:56 GMT -6
Post by ajreaper on Jan 19, 2009 20:13:56 GMT -6
Not sure about your state but in mine coaching is a one year contract with out tenure so they don't need a reason to let you go. Not sure getting a lawyer would do any good. Ask for a written explanation explaining that your lawyer wishes to review it so you and he can plan the next course of action- sometimes saying you have a lawyer is just as good as having one.
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Jan 19, 2009 21:40:40 GMT -6
Post by CoachJohnsonMN on Jan 19, 2009 21:40:40 GMT -6
Two weeks ago I was called into the Superintendent's office and told that I was being "taken out of football". When I asked her why, her answer was "board pressure". During the meeting I was not told whether I was being reassigned, terminated, etc. Since that day this has been a rollecoaster of dung. No one will talk to me, but they think they have all the answers. I was head coach for 2 years. The town kept harping on stability. I was the 5th coach since 1998. We made the playoffs last year for the first time since 1995. We had a pretty bad year this past year. Went 1-9 with sophomores making up 3/4 of the team. Several off the field issues made this the longest year of my life. I was never warned or disciplined or anything. This was a shock to me, the kids, and the staff. The superintendent has yet to give me my, whatever I was, in writing. Apparently she is having a problem wording it. The principal didn't speak to me until this past Friday, and the school board never talked to me either. Now there's a lot of crap online by former coaches, school members, parents, etc. Like I said I could write a book about this, but there's not enough space on here. If you have any advice, or questions, feel free. Just a bad deal all together. I am going through the same crap right now. The only difference is I have pain-in-the-a$$ board members on two school boards (co-op). It is emotionally painful when you know you have the players' best interest at heart. Luckily, I have a principal/AD who is on my side but I know it is only a matter of time. I am looking for another job and can't wait to start over. Hang in there--I am sure it happens more than one may think.
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Jan 20, 2009 1:01:14 GMT -6
Post by dc207 on Jan 20, 2009 1:01:14 GMT -6
...coach, not sure where you are and what connection you have to the school/community. But we (I say we, as a whole new staff was brought in here four years ago) all have a deep connection to this area, and to be honest with you we would stand and fight anyone who tried to turn this program into a f___ing joke again, because it has meant so much to so many for so long. Whatever that means, we would do because the people manipulating and scheming behind the scenes do not care as much as those in the trenches every day. So IMO, if you are there (meaning living in that community) for the long haul, stand your ground as much as possible. I know some places have ridiculous rules that make it difficult for coaches to have any ammunition. If it doesn't work out, there are always other places that will take in a hard-working, caring teacher/coach. With some of the worthless people I have seen get hired and re-hired as teachers/administrators, I know there would be people who'd hire the right type of worker.
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Jan 20, 2009 1:46:22 GMT -6
Post by dc207 on Jan 20, 2009 1:46:22 GMT -6
...another reason to fight: Screw 'em. If it's worth it, I wouldn't give them the satisfaction of knowing I'd walked away. Would want them to know my name and that I wouldn't bow down to their dumbasz requests. I'm pissed just reading this thread.
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Jan 20, 2009 7:27:40 GMT -6
Post by phantom on Jan 20, 2009 7:27:40 GMT -6
Two weeks ago I was called into the Superintendent's office and told that I was being "taken out of football". When I asked her why, her answer was "board pressure". During the meeting I was not told whether I was being reassigned, terminated, etc. Since that day this has been a rollecoaster of dung. No one will talk to me, but they think they have all the answers. I was head coach for 2 years. The town kept harping on stability. I was the 5th coach since 1998. We made the playoffs last year for the first time since 1995. We had a pretty bad year this past year. Went 1-9 with sophomores making up 3/4 of the team. Several off the field issues made this the longest year of my life. I was never warned or disciplined or anything. This was a shock to me, the kids, and the staff. The superintendent has yet to give me my, whatever I was, in writing. Apparently she is having a problem wording it. The principal didn't speak to me until this past Friday, and the school board never talked to me either. Now there's a lot of crap online by former coaches, school members, parents, etc. Like I said I could write a book about this, but there's not enough space on here. If you have any advice, or questions, feel free. Just a bad deal all together. Move on, man. That's all you can do, move on.
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Jan 20, 2009 8:20:51 GMT -6
Post by warrior53 on Jan 20, 2009 8:20:51 GMT -6
This is one of the reasons I am contemplating getting out of coaching. I love it, but stories like this make you think differently. Especially when you have little ones at home.
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Jan 20, 2009 8:40:59 GMT -6
Post by dhooper on Jan 20, 2009 8:40:59 GMT -6
Coach been there done that. I had the same problem at one of my olds schools, except the 2nd QB dad put a lawsuit in against me because his son didn't get as much playing time as he did the year before. Of course the court threw it out, the dad was the local judge in the town lucky it wasn't his court. Coach move on and keep coaching.
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Jan 20, 2009 9:01:12 GMT -6
Post by jpdaley25 on Jan 20, 2009 9:01:12 GMT -6
I feel your pain. A wise man once said, a person's true character shows when things are really good, or when things are really bad. Don't sink to their level. I think the best that you can hope for at this stage is to leave gracefully with the only concern that you show being for the future of your kids. Encourage them to keep playing and to stick together, and get your resignation in as fast as humanly possible. If you end up getting fired, you will be explaining that to every potential employer for the rest of your career. Leave in such a way that everyone speaks highly of you. I know that you are angry and bitter, and that fighting sounds like the best thing - but that's not the best thing for your career, your family, or the kids you are leaving behind. They want you gone. Don't give them the opportunity to smear your reputation by forcing them to find a reason to fire you from your teaching position. Take yourself out of the shooting gallery, use your sick days, find another job, get your revenge by becoming a huge success elsewhere. Others may disagree, but I've been right where you are, and my best advice is this - Get the hell out of there. Good luck!
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Jan 20, 2009 9:46:00 GMT -6
Post by brophy on Jan 20, 2009 9:46:00 GMT -6
If you have any advice, or questions, feel free. Just a bad deal all together. for what its worth and stating the obvious, but I think the biggest thing you have to do is don't internalize this / don't take it personal. Just realize this is the natural course of business. Enjoy what you do and who you do it with.
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Jan 20, 2009 10:25:09 GMT -6
Post by coachcb on Jan 20, 2009 10:25:09 GMT -6
It's tough when someone on the staff is throwing you under the bus. It makes it difficult to defend yourself because the school board/parents feel that they have an "inside man." It can get UGLY in a hurry in those situations..
With that being said, I retract my earlier statement about fighting the school board. If someone within your staff is siding against you, I'd throw in the towel, find another job, and watch that ship go down from the distance. Let you DC take the reigns and let the school board eat him alive; serves him right.
I coached on a staff with a guy who spent the season trying to get everyone else on the staff canned; by going behind our backs to the parents. He ended up getting himself in trouble with the AD because he was drinking with the parents after games and causing problems. All in the name of getting himself on the varsity staff...We were running the freshman program and he was the least experienced guy on the staff; he had to throw somebody under the bus if he wanted to move up.
Anyway, I was next in line for the head of the freshman program. I pulled my name out of the hat and ran away as fast as I could when I heard what was going on. I got a job with an excellent program, had a fantastic year, while the former freshman program I was working with turned into something out of a bad day time drame.
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Jan 20, 2009 10:36:19 GMT -6
Post by CoachMikeJudy on Jan 20, 2009 10:36:19 GMT -6
Two weeks ago I was called into the Superintendent's office and told that I was being "taken out of football". When I asked her why, her answer was "board pressure". During the meeting I was not told whether I was being reassigned, terminated, etc. Since that day this has been a rollecoaster of dung. No one will talk to me, but they think they have all the answers. I was head coach for 2 years. The town kept harping on stability. I was the 5th coach since 1998. We made the playoffs last year for the first time since 1995. We had a pretty bad year this past year. Went 1-9 with sophomores making up 3/4 of the team. Several off the field issues made this the longest year of my life. I was never warned or disciplined or anything. This was a shock to me, the kids, and the staff. The superintendent has yet to give me my, whatever I was, in writing. Apparently she is having a problem wording it. The principal didn't speak to me until this past Friday, and the school board never talked to me either. Now there's a lot of crap online by former coaches, school members, parents, etc. Like I said I could write a book about this, but there's not enough space on here. If you have any advice, or questions, feel free. Just a bad deal all together. Move on, man. That's all you can do, move on. I have to agree here... This is a fight you can't win. And if you ever plan on coaching again, don't involve lawyers- I'd never hire a guy that took it to this extreme. You could get blackballed for that one. Getting canned as the HC is a shot to your ego, at least you keep your teaching job. In reality it may be a blessing in disguise...grounds to move on without looking like the bad guy?
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