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Post by airraider on Oct 5, 2008 7:41:03 GMT -6
I accidently listened to the audio from the camera which was filming from the same area that my booth coaches were at.
I heard some things second guessing some things within the program.
Due to the camera stopping and starting between plays.. I was not able to hear entire thoughts..
I did hear one coach say "I dont care, he can fire me tomorrow"
And a different one say "I know we did not just run that play"
I am stuck.. because on one hand.. I maybe shouldnt care what they think as long as they are not out saying it in public..
But on the other hand.. if they are saying it to each other.. how do I know they are not out in public saying it?
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Post by liberalhater on Oct 5, 2008 7:44:51 GMT -6
Coach THEY ARE! But until it shows up in the coaching your stuck. You do need to address these individuals. But the coaches have their opinion and ideas just like you did/do of how things should be?
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Post by airraider on Oct 5, 2008 8:04:56 GMT -6
Coach THEY ARE! But until it shows up in the coaching your stuck. You do need to address these individuals. But the coaches have their opinion and ideas just like you did/do of how things should be? You are completely right.. that is why I am not too quick to go off on them.. they are entitled to their opinions.. I just cant have these same things being brought into the public.. The program has struggled over the last several years.. and I am the 3rd HC in 3 years.. We are sitting at the same record (1-4) as last years team.. but the 4 losses have been by less.. and the win was by way more than last year's games vs the same opponents.. So we are having "some" success.. Its just hard to be positive all the way around.. and I understand that.. We lost our starting QB in the second quarter friday night to a neck injury while playing the #3 team in the state.. he was taken off on a stretcher.. and we lost 33-14.. they lost last year 52-0 to the same team.. With the starting QB in the ER.. the backup in street clothes with a hairline fracture.. and both JV QB's not making the trip due to injury.. we had to convert our WR to QB.. He had taken some snaps in practice as an emergency QB in the last 2 weeks.. but he wasnt ready to come in and run a mirror image offense... Its a low road.. but its the only road we have to get out.. and I will be damned if I am going to let some volunteer coaches get under my skin enough to take a different route..
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 5, 2008 8:25:40 GMT -6
I accidently listened to the audio from the camera which was filming from the same area that my booth coaches were at. I heard some things second guessing some things within the program. Due to the camera stopping and starting between plays.. I was not able to hear entire thoughts.. I did hear one coach say "I dont care, he can fire me tomorrow" And a different one say "I know we did not just run that play" I am stuck.. because on one hand.. I maybe shouldnt care what they think as long as they are not out saying it in public.. But on the other hand.. if they are saying it to each other.. how do I know they are not out in public saying it? A little constructive criticism here...so don't get defensive and just take it for what it is worth. I remember a few months back there was a thread in which there was some discussion about the HC and program ownership. I remember you were one of those with the "ME ME ME...MY MY MY" instead of "WE WE WE OUR OUR OUR" thought processes in the thread, and I had mentioned that you might find the road a tough one to hoe with that attitude. I believe you may be experiencing some of that right now, especially as the L's mount. The ME/MY program does not work well in H.S with new coaches under 30 years old. There is really no track record to buy into, and you have no "stick" (ie '"i don't care if he fires me tomorrow" is not something you hear an asst say in college football) to drive the coaches. Once coaching becomes a headache, it is entirely too attractive to simply NOT DO IT at the H.S Level, until you find a place/person you can work for. Add to this the more recent thread about the issues with the principal...and it seems you might not have been prepared for the job you have. That doesn't matter at this point, and you have to run with it. Just be advised, you are the HC of a nondescript program in North LA, not the HC of Ohio State. You can't attack the situations the same way. Again, just a point of view to help you find solutions. Don't get defensive. Analyze and make a decision based on the info you have.
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Post by airraider on Oct 5, 2008 8:38:48 GMT -6
I accidently listened to the audio from the camera which was filming from the same area that my booth coaches were at. I heard some things second guessing some things within the program. Due to the camera stopping and starting between plays.. I was not able to hear entire thoughts.. I did hear one coach say "I dont care, he can fire me tomorrow" And a different one say "I know we did not just run that play" I am stuck.. because on one hand.. I maybe shouldnt care what they think as long as they are not out saying it in public.. But on the other hand.. if they are saying it to each other.. how do I know they are not out in public saying it? A little constructive criticism here...so don't get defensive and just take it for what it is worth. I remember a few months back there was a thread in which there was some discussion about the HC and program ownership. I remember you were one of those with the "ME ME ME...MY MY MY" instead of "WE WE WE OUR OUR OUR" thought processes in the thread, and I had mentioned that you might find the road a tough one to hoe with that attitude. I believe you may be experiencing some of that right now, especially as the L's mount. The ME/MY program does not work well in H.S with new coaches under 30 years old. There is really no track record to buy into, and you have no "stick" (ie '"i don't care if he fires me tomorrow" is not something you hear an asst say in college football) to drive the coaches. Once coaching becomes a headache, it is entirely too attractive to simply NOT DO IT at the H.S Level, until you find a place/person you can work for. Add to this the more recent thread about the issues with the principal...and it seems you might not have been prepared for the job you have. That doesn't matter at this point, and you have to run with it. Just be advised, you are the HC of a nondescript program in North LA, not the HC of Ohio State. You can't attack the situations the same way. Again, just a point of view to help you find solutions. Don't get defensive. Analyze and make a decision based on the info you have. But until you have coaches who you are willing to give ownership and responsibility to.. what do you do? These comments that were being made were ignorant comments.. "The end needs to contain" talking about our 6 tech on bucksweep.. "Ive never seen a defense where the end doesnt contain" I get the feeling from these guys listening to their comments.. that I have just stuck a recordning device on any average Joe in the stands.. and we all know how sad that would come out.. Now granted these are volunteer guys.. both of which have never had any extensive decision making placed on them at any level.. I am not one of those type of guys who try to deflect blame.. because I will be the first to say.. our offense sucks.. and I run the offense.. But defensively.. the scheme is sound.. we are just too weak and fundamentally unsound from week to week to be better than we are. We work on fundies.. but when "most" of our kids have never played prior to their freshmen year.. and some in their first year.. its hard for them to grasp everything.. And you can be in the right place every play.. but if you are getting physically beat.. well.. look above for the cause.. I know that I have.. and that I shouldnt have taken the me/I stance.. but I still do not feel like I have a group of coaches that I can give that ownership to..
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 5, 2008 8:51:18 GMT -6
Air---remember, "ownership" doesn't necessarily mean decision making power. Ownership simply means they are involved in the process. You may very well have installed the systems with the coaches there (I don't know). If you DIDN'T, there is a good place to start. You can also give those asst's the CHANCE to do something...while having what you want to do in the back pocket so if they let you down, you don't miss a beat.
I have found that "what iffing' the type of coaches you are describing often works. The "fanboy" coach still views football in a different way than a coach coach. He still thinks football is binary...that if one thing didn't work, then another would. There thought process seems to be : If its 4th and 1, and you run the ball and get stuffed, then obviously you should have thrown because they "stacked the box". If you throw the ball and do not convert, then obviously you should have run the ball because "it is only a yard". We both know that isn't the case, but they don't.
So, get those guys on the white board. What if them to death, be very vigorous almost to the point of belittle/humiliating them (in private of course) to show them what they DON'T know. You say your fundamentals are poor...give the coaches OWNERSHIP IN THAT...to the point of blame. Why is Johnson's pad level so high. That is why we are here. What can WE do to make sure his pad level is lower next Friday? Good, I am counting on YOU to get that done...
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Post by 19delta on Oct 5, 2008 9:11:40 GMT -6
Great thoughts from Coach D...
Sometimes it is tough to take a good, long, hard look in the mirror, but that is the first thing we must do when things are not going the way we would like.
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Post by coachorr on Oct 5, 2008 11:01:38 GMT -6
Sorry Air Raider, that you are having issues. What I find funny in life is how losing brings out who we really are.
One thing I did with my team, and assistants laughed about it...not in a bad way but they just said, "Coach you too nice there is no way in heck I would have ever said that to those kids", is ask the team what they would rather do. These kids ran a pro style offense out of split backs before I got them, good offense, but we just don't have the kids up front to do it, we now run the TF Spread. Anyway, we won one game and then lost two in a row by a close margin and I heard some kids saying they wish they could just run the old stuff, they were frustrated because it has been a challenge to adapt to a new system.
I sat the whole team down and gave them the chance to voice their opinion about what they wanted to run and spoke to them about planting the seeds of doubt and how they can fester and tear a team apart. I explained to them that there was not an offense that I didn't know and I would be happy to chalk anything up that they wanted. Also, I explained to them why we were running what we were running offensively 1) It is because it is what they will run at the high school and when they combine with the other junior high they will be ahead of them. 2) The line is too small to be able to run between the tackles all the time. 3) One of the two backs is out for the season. 4) And it is the funnest offense to run. 5) I had their best interest at heart. Moreover, I asked them what they wanted me to change, because it is there team and we
I then asked them to tell me what they felt about it and if they didn't have anything to say, they would not bring it up again the rest of the season. Not to me, other teammates or anyone else outside the team.
What I would do is sit the coaches down and ask them what they think needs to change or what they might do differently. And then in a non-defensive way, explain to them the reasoning as to why you do what you do.
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Post by k on Oct 5, 2008 11:35:41 GMT -6
I question our HC every time he does something I don't understand. Sometimes I ask another coach why he did that and sometimes I ask him directly. Not because I want to smack talk him but because I want to learn and be able to be on the same page he is as to why he does what he does.
I respect the hell out of him because he doesn't get defensive about it. He explains his calls. When he thinks he messed up thats what he tells me. When he would do the exact same thing again in the future thats what he tells me and then why that is the case. I don't always end up agreeing with him but I always end up learning from the conversation.
IMO just allow them to question you directly as long as it is done with respect etc.
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Post by bulldogoption on Oct 5, 2008 11:50:23 GMT -6
The "fanboy" coach still views football in a different way than a coach coach. He still thinks football is binary...that if one thing didn't work, then another would. There thought process seems to be : If its 4th and 1, and you run the ball and get stuffed, then obviously you should have thrown because they "stacked the box". If you throw the ball and do not convert, then obviously you should have run the ball because "it is only a yard". We both know that isn't the case, but they don't. Well said..... Airraider...that is unfortunate that volunteers on your staff are second guessing your calls. I've seen volunteers (townies) do just what you are talking about and the HC at the time ended up resigning at the end of the season. Too much damage had been done. He may have been too tired (13 years as the HC) to keep fighting the fight however. I suggest trying to fix it before letting them know that you overheard them on the camera. Save that for later, if at all. Like d5085 said, you have to let them "realize" that they don't know as much about moving from paper to field as they think they do, or that there is actually something involved from paper to field. There are experts like this everywhere. Just open up your local sports page.............
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Post by bulldogoption on Oct 5, 2008 11:55:14 GMT -6
I question our HC every time he does something I don't understand. Sometimes I ask another coach why he did that and sometimes I ask him directly. Not because I want to smack talk him but because I want to learn and be able to be on the same page he is as to why he does what he does. I respect the hell out of him because he doesn't get defensive about it. He explains his calls. When he thinks he messed up thats what he tells me. When he would do the exact same thing again in the future thats what he tells me and then why that is the case. I don't always end up agreeing with him but I always end up learning from the conversation. IMO just allow them to question you directly as long as it is done with respect etc. Good point, but, I think that you, k, and these volunteers are apples and oranges. You are a real coach. THese guys have no clue, from what airraider has explained. Allowing them to question anything you do may get very annoying and blow up in your face. If and when those volunteers, actually get the tiniest clue about coaching, then it would probably work. Until then, he would be trying to rationalize with an irrational person.
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Post by jgordon1 on Oct 5, 2008 14:26:41 GMT -6
We have a couple of young guys on the staff. very nice kids, good people. I always ask them Do you understand? Are there any questions? what did we just say? what words would you use etc... One thing I found that was helpful is to compliment one of them in front of the HFC. Like my guy in the box friday night figured out that if 25 and 33 were in the game at the same time they always went 2x2. they never did this before and he figured it out. i made sure the HFC knew he figured it out.
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Post by brophy on Oct 5, 2008 15:09:16 GMT -6
Sorry to hear you there are problems with your staff. Having seen your team in action, I just wanted to give you a public 'hats off' to what you folks have been doing and acknowledge that you HAVE made an improvement in the competitiveness and attitude of the athletes. CoachD makes a LOT of good points in the thread, as does coachorr. When we are TOLD what to do we often, as prideful men, reject it, no matter what it is because we want to maintain our autonomy. When we are asked what to do and given the choice to determine our own fate, we tend to buy in (even if its the very thing we would've been TOLD to do). I'd offer this for the issue you outlined; 1) Pick your battles / weigh the economics of responsibility; What CAN they do? You have laid the groundwork of the O,D, ST. The frame has been built, why not let one of one of the most promising asst to pick out the furniture? Maybe there is no incentive (monetarily / position), so it is going to come down to who wants to take on more responsibility. You may be stuck in a situation where assistants will do as little as possible because they just want a stipend and a good seat during the games (only you would know that). However, if a MAN is given the authority and responsibility, he will take interest and his pride usually takes over (to ensure the performance doesn't embarass him) This isn't just throwing someone the keys and told to lock up when he's done. I believe you'll have to be closely interactive with them ('what are we going to do about this?'/ 'what is our answer to that?' / 'what could go wrong?') This shouldn't be a blank check, but should be a stewardship position - "we need you to lead us in this area, we want to take full use of your knowledge and perspective of the game".
You won't be relinquishing the offense (naturally) but there are roles people can take responsibility for. Any monkey can run a defense.....now that its installed, any asst can run ST. I believe your main concern is HOW they see the position. What can you live with? If you give a guy the defense, you have to be willing to give up a 3rd down here, a touchdown there - and not freak out. Special Teams, that guy should be responsible for knowing the players and abilities to know what will be the best result in a given situation (reverse here? fake it now?). Just make sure you have the 11 ready to go. The "coordinator" title gives guys hard-ons apparently....feel free to invoke its power.
2) Define Expectations - Again, we can't just throw the keys to someone and say, "Drive!". He must define his costs & expenditures and justify the what and why. Set clear expectations of what his job is. This is most important with regards to A) Scouting and Game planning -WHAT is this guy preparing for? Regardless of what you run, it is in response to your opponent. Your opponent is different every week. This guy has to be plugged in to scouting and the information to understand your opponent and provide answers for each situation. B) Practice Planning - HOW is he preparing the rest of the TEAM? What is he declaring before practice that he NEEDS before the competition? ('speak up now, or forever hold your peace'). This responsibility will be a SHOCK to most of the guys you have on staff, but when there is plenty of warning of what is coming - there really is no excuse not to be organized or prepared (the true role of a coordinator). C) Game Day Communication - WHERE do the pieces fit? How are the calls getting in? How are the other coaches fitting within this role (someone in the box? Someone signalling? Someone working rotations? Let this guy define those.
So this becomes, "You're running this show - just need you to provide us the answers (for planning) so we can help you help us (this week)"
3) Hold accountable for group results - It isn't the offense and defense...it should be the TEAM. If Bob is the DC or ST coordinator, the team of coaches should be meeting to define practices and game plans. Bob is going to have to articulate this to the rest of the staff. "What can WE do to help the defense better, Bob?" It shouldn't be a YOU / ME thing, it should be an US thing, where the staff works together and challenges each other. Criticism should be ENCOURAGED here. Rather than taking the approach of "damit, the defense ain't getting the job done - YOU SUCK!", (because, naturally, the guy will blame everyone but himself) present it to include all hands on deck. "how are we / what can we do to improve our performance?" (so that introspection analyzes how to improve the TEAM). essentially,
- Sunday - "We play City High this week. Bob, what should we watch for this week? What is our game plan? What will work? What won't work? What is the 3rd and 3 play we have to watch out for within our 20 yd line, Bob?"
- Wednesday - "Bob, how do we look this week? What are we opening with? Any concerns?"
- Saturday - "Bob, good work - what went right? What could we improve on? What should we look for next week?"
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Your guy(s) will either run from this or embrace it - but the bottom line they won't be able to hide anymore. Give these guys an arena to prove their worth.
Essentially telling these guys, "You can do what you need to make this work, but you have to be able to make it bullet-proof and be able to justify it to the rest of the staff" This isn't a "do whatever you want" approach, it is "justify what your are doing to the rest of us, and that it is fail-safe, so we ALL can get on board".
Having said ALL THAT --- I don't think it has to be as black & white as a coordinator position. More importantly, there just needs to be more interaction with the staff. Do you guys meet together for game planning? Do you guys hang out together after practice? Staff Cohesion is very important to make a team work. Put someone in charge of scouting / tendency tracking. Put someone in charge of game day rotations....something ANYTHING where they are forced to provide a product for the team, that we all are dependent on them. Having said all that, I think you have a real pickle. You have some 'salty-dog leftovers', who may not fit the best long-term interests of the program, but what can you do? Beggars can't be choosers..... if you hand them the reigns, what happens? If you give the keys to the 'rookie' volunteers, do the salty-dogs stage a coup? Do they undermine / resent the new position? I dunno. Sounds like surviving the season is whats most important now, and the most noble intentions for the program over the next 5 years may be put on the back burner for now. God bless for taking the reigns of a challenging program and regardless, you're still the guy in charge (meaning, it takes guts to be the man on point).
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Post by coachorr on Oct 5, 2008 16:36:16 GMT -6
If my younger assistant ever says something wrong as a coaching point and I need to correct it front of the team, like "The Dline needs to get penetration". I spin it so that he is exactly right by saying something infront of the whole team like, "Coach ? is exactly right, in a pass rush situation and we know that it is pass, the Dline needs to improve on getting to the quarterback, however, we need to still work on playing to heal depth like we have always been doing when we know it is run". Then I will ask a player to show me what "heal depth" is. Then I will ask another player to tell me how they know it is run.
So, treat your assistants with kid gloves and praise them whenever you can. One thing that has really helped my situation is to discuss with the younger coach exactly what I want and what my philosophy is and then give him responsibility.
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Post by brophy on Oct 5, 2008 16:37:53 GMT -6
The question becomes WHAT CAN YOU DO NOW (this week)?
Are you supposed to have some kind of 'come to Jesus' meeting with the staff and throw down the gauntlet, challenging everyone's loyalty?
Are you supposed to just abdicate your role over the team based on some editorials on tape?
Is it really that serious? The bottom line is what serves the best interest of the program. It is a marathon, not a sprint. How do you shake things up, so this isn't business as usual - that the staff maintains respect for you, and there are still strings....that when you pull, will respond.
Can you plan to just meet with the staff at the next meeting and open the table for frank discussion? Not an intervention, but just point out how things have improved, but in some respects y'all have had a raw deal (injuries, budget, etc), that you can still make something happen for the remaining games and assess the possibilities for a post-season push.
"What do you think, guys? We are 1-4 and have ___ number of district games, we don't have a whole lot to lose. What do YOU want to do? What do YOU want to see happen? Where do YOU think we could improve or tweak (and why)?"
What's that? You think we should line up in a 11 man front and blitz every play? Okay......lets look at what that would do for us. (let the rest of the staff tear it apart)
If you can get any feedback, you've started the momentum for ownership (maybe meet with one of the contributors privately to discuss taking on more responsibility). If you don't get any feedback......prepare to carry all the water.
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Post by coachorr on Oct 5, 2008 16:56:32 GMT -6
I agree with this line of discussion.
One question, which helps me and my staff to communicate is, "What do I need to do differently to improve this program?"
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Post by kcbazooka on Oct 5, 2008 17:18:27 GMT -6
do you watch film as a staff? -- keep the audio on ...
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Post by coachcb on Oct 5, 2008 17:30:44 GMT -6
I agree with what people are stating about ownership with respect to the staff and making sure that everyone on the staff feels that they have a hand in where the program is going.
HOWEVER, once that ownership has been established with the staff, I feel that there is a certain way things need to be handled:
1. If you have an issue with something, voice it during the game-planning session on Sunday or early in the week. Don't wait until late in the week or in the middle of the game to bring it up.
2. If you have an problem with something that we are doing; HAVE A REASONABLE SOLUTION. For example, if you have an issue with our ends in bucksweep, you better be able to present a sound reason why and have a reasonable solution WITHIN our scheme. Don't suggest that we "switch to a 3-3 for this game" when we run a 4-3 Over.
3. Once you have voiced your opinion, your solution, and we have discussed it, then it's done and over; LIVE WITH THE DECISION. There will be a good discussion about it, you will have your say and it will be thoroughly debated. If you don't like the decision after that, you need to be a professional and an adult about it. If you feel the need to talk about it again, bring it to the HC or coordinator behind closed doors. Don't bring it up behind people's backs or bring it up publicly.
Now this is all assuming that the staff has ownership and a voice in the program. If they don't have those things then there's a good chance there will be issues.
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Post by airraider on Oct 5, 2008 20:05:49 GMT -6
Guys, thank you all very much for your responses. They have ALL been taken very seriously.. Brophy, you know my situation.. and everything you said is dead on.. you make GREAT points..
Coach D.. you too make very good points..
I really like kcbazooka's suggestion about watching film with audio on.. that would be PRICELESS!!! lol..
Out of 10 assistant coaches.. only 5 can be there all practice everyday.. 2 are student assistants.. 2 are volunteers who have their regular jobs that control when they can and cant be there..
and 1 is a former HC who is teaching at our school.. but came in late and is not paid for coaching.. I asked him to come on staff because I felt I needed another coach who had solid coaching experience.. But.. he cannot be there all the time.. and he is VERY much one of those (this is how we used to do it) coaches..
So those 5 that are there everyday.. I tell them what I want to accomplish within the scheme.. and let them arrive at that point on their own..
"Hey coach.. we are going to play a lot of press man this week.. so work some drills on that.. and find who you feel would fit best into that scheme this week"
One of the guys calls the defense and makes all adjustments and calls.. We discuss what we should do scheme wise during the weekend.. and he is then responsible for getting it ready..
I allow my DB and DL coach to make all substitutions in games..
Offensively I need to do a better job of providing ownership..
But once again.. thank you all for your insight..
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Post by brophy on Oct 5, 2008 20:28:20 GMT -6
You can look at this 'revelation' as a good thing or a bad thing - its up to you. How you look at it / interpret it will determine how you respond.
if you guys (5+1 or 10+1), sat down and watched film together of your next opponent (might even be better suited to break it down into components -> only inside the 30 plays.......only goal line plays......only 3rd down plays) and asked, "Okay...what are your thoughts? What should we do? You guys work out amongst yourselves what we should do this week."
What do you think would happen?
Also, why aren't these guys GRADING their positions (the whole point of grading performance as it fits within the scheme) 1) you can't grade a player if you don't know what it is they are supposed to be doing 2) if all the players are grading out poorly, then the responsibility resides with the position coach, yes? When you don't grade, it is real easy (as a coach) to just sit back and b$%@$ and moan about how the HC isn't taking advantage of so-and-so properly.
We all work towards what is 'incentivised'. What is their incentive? Wins? We all are wired to put in the least amount of effort as possible, that is a natural response. If they can just 'show up', why shouldn't they?
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Post by bulldogoption on Oct 8, 2008 18:30:31 GMT -6
Ironically, had this same scenario play out for me yesterday and today. I overheard a couple of our coaches speaking negatively about our schemes, philosophy and some players. Second guessing type stuff.
One of the guys is truly my friend, the other is a newbie.
Was prepared to fire the friend. Went to the principal and asked permission. I was just sick to my stomach and couldn't sleep all night.
Spoke with another coach who coaches with him and didn't get good news. He seemed to confirm much of what I was hearing on the video.
So....I requested a meeting with my friend. It was a bit tense at first, but THANKFULLY, it ended up OK. He was venting mostly, frustrated we aren't doing better. It turns out that a situation at his level, within my program, was really bothering him more.
I went straight to the horse's mouth to get the information. Glad I did.
I plan to talk with the newbie next. Meeting may not be as cordial. Just a case of a typical 2nd year coach really. We've all been there, after just a season or two....still thinking "binarily" as coachd put it so perfectly.
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Post by jgordon1 on Oct 9, 2008 13:44:53 GMT -6
Any monkey can run a defense.....now that its installed, any asst can run ST.
Hey Brophy always read your posts and have you bookmarked. Gotta ask. now that this discussion is basically over, Do you really believe this or were you just trying to make a point. I can agree that defense needs to be simpiler than an offense... but a monkey. I think this might make a great thread because I really believe many HC guys believe this
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Post by airman on Oct 9, 2008 15:23:14 GMT -6
when a coach talks behind my back I used to get upset. Now as I age I recognize it is more about them then it is about me.
when some one lies to you it is about them. If I hear some one I talk to them in this manner.
coach so and so, I just want to clear some thing up. I have heard you say behind my back you disagree with some things we are doing. to get a better understanding of where you are coming from I would like to hear you explain them to me.
or I use when I feel because
when you talk badly behind my back I feel very hurt because we are not communication
If i feel some one is being bad towards the program they just get reassigned. so you go from being a varsity assistant to coaching say 7th grade.
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Post by coachorr on Oct 9, 2008 15:40:57 GMT -6
I read a book once, I think it was Ty Willingham's book, where he was talking about game preparation. He or whomever wrote the book, made the comment, "The planning should have been such during the week, that a trained monkey could call it on Saturday".
Meaning there are no magic calls, and in certain situations, everyone knows what is going to be called.
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Post by airman on Oct 9, 2008 15:48:57 GMT -6
I read a book once, I think it was Ty Willingham's book, where he was talking about game preparation. He or whomever wrote the book, made the comment, "The planning should have been such during the week, that a trained monkey could call it on Saturday". Meaning there are no magic calls, and in certain situations, everyone knows what is going to be called. IT is nice to think this would work out. I however agree with General Patton. The best made battle plans are laid to rest once the battle begins. meaning you can plan for every thing but some thing will go wrong so you make a new battle plan on the run. the great generals of all time periods did this.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 9, 2008 21:13:00 GMT -6
I read a book once, I think it was Ty Willingham's book, where he was talking about game preparation. He or whomever wrote the book, made the comment, "The planning should have been such during the week, that a trained monkey could call it on Saturday". Meaning there are no magic calls, and in certain situations, everyone knows what is going to be called. IT is nice to think this would work out. I however agree with General Patton. The best made battle plans are laid to rest once the battle begins. meaning you can plan for every thing but some thing will go wrong so you make a new battle plan on the run. the great generals of all time periods did this. It is not lost on me that this attitude comes from a 4-5 wide type coach, who typically draw many more little lines on their x's and o's than a coach using more TE's in the offense.
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Post by coachorr on Oct 9, 2008 21:28:39 GMT -6
So, in practice, do you practice plays on the left and right hash? Do you practice plays that you will most likely use in a 3rd and medium situation? Or are you the guy who is in the fourth quarter yelling to your receiver from the sideline, "Make sure you get 7 yards"? When the Chips are down you are down by 4 points with a 1:30 left in the fourth and it is 4th and five and you are on the right hash in the 4th quarter. Are you going to pull one out of your a$$ or are you going to signal to the huddle a play that was planned and practiced.
I agree, it is about adjustments, however, and more importantly; it is about organization and planning and making sure that everyone is on the same page going into the game.
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Post by phantom on Oct 9, 2008 21:38:50 GMT -6
I read a book once, I think it was Ty Willingham's book, where he was talking about game preparation. He or whomever wrote the book, made the comment, "The planning should have been such during the week, that a trained monkey could call it on Saturday". Meaning there are no magic calls, and in certain situations, everyone knows what is going to be called. IT is nice to think this would work out. I however agree with General Patton. The best made battle plans are laid to rest once the battle begins. meaning you can plan for every thing but some thing will go wrong so you make a new battle plan on the run. the great generals of all time periods did this. The best generals, like Patton, had contingency plans.
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Post by coachorr on Oct 10, 2008 9:55:39 GMT -6
Well this is off topic, but I never try to criticize the defense too much, because the Football gods can here that and they will screw your offense in the next game.
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Post by lochness on Oct 10, 2008 12:12:29 GMT -6
My quick and snide answer is this:
Have them go scouting, break down hours of film, put game plans together, generate the call sheets, etc.
When they b!tch about how much work you are making them do, tell them, "well, I thought you would want to EARN the right to criticize other coaches on the staff, because there's a lot more to making decisions for this program than meets the eye."
I think young coaches (and I still consider myself a YOUNG coach at 32) forget this sometimes.
"Walk a mile in my shoes" kind of stuff.
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