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Post by coachjimmer on Oct 6, 2008 21:16:00 GMT -6
I understand. We are all humans. We do make mistakes.
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Post by coachdlo on Feb 12, 2015 22:04:42 GMT -6
So.... This thread may be like 7 years old but..... I just said a prayer for all of you (:
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Post by coachrdc on Feb 13, 2015 21:01:56 GMT -6
Talk about your buried threads... Interesting read though for those of us not on here 7 years ago... I kinda want to know what the OP ended up doing...
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Post by coachdlo on Feb 13, 2015 22:06:12 GMT -6
i agree ^ I see all sides of everyones argument.
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Post by coachrdc on Feb 13, 2015 22:14:57 GMT -6
I can too. My guess is that this is largely a regional issue in the states. Not that it is necessarily political, but living here on the Midwest I've never heard of any kids having an issue with the Lord's Prayer, even going back to my playing days. It may be different though in states like say California our in cities like new York.
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Post by coachdlo on Feb 13, 2015 22:50:32 GMT -6
exactly. I played hs ball in oklahoma and finishing school / coaching here in Nebraska. It was always recited on one knee before every game i've ever been a part of.
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Post by freezeoption on Feb 14, 2015 11:13:13 GMT -6
we do the lords prayer before and after the game, we invite the other team to do it with us after the game, then thank them for letting us play them, win or lose
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Post by phildeanx on Feb 20, 2015 9:44:12 GMT -6
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 20, 2015 19:03:31 GMT -6
I think there is a BIGGER issue here though than the strictly legal argument covered in that case. However, I think that issue is often lost on coaches who have spent their careers only coaching at schools where the majority (and often the VAST) majority were christian in nature. I honestly believe it takes some experience being in the minority to really see the issue. You can even see a bit of the issue within christian faiths. ONe of my favorite coaching stories is about a coach at a public school who was basically "forced" to lead a team prayer in a school in the bible belt. His answer...He led them in the "Hail Mary" (a prayer popular in the Catholic faith, as opposed to other christian denominations). Raised holy hell, but I sure got a laugh out of the reactions.
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Post by olcoach53 on Feb 20, 2015 19:19:03 GMT -6
Every school I have played for or coached for has done a pregame prayer. I am Jewish and this has NEVER bothered me one bit. I have actually memorized the Lords prayer now.
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Post by maikaione on Feb 20, 2015 20:56:48 GMT -6
Wow this post got crazy. Perhaps the heated responses you got here should tell you everything you need to know. If your trying to maintain team cohesion and unity, introducing a team prayer may harm that. I'm in the military, and despite the lip service the military pays to being religion neutral, it is decidedly not neutral. Every significant ceremony will include a prayer, and it will be of a Christian perspective if not overtly Christian. I'm not religious and none of it bothers me. I just stand there quietly looking around at people while they pray. I know others who get extremely worked up about it and think it it's a big deal. They feel alienated and discriminated against. Regardless of whether you think it it's appropriate or inappropriate (and I'll keep my opinion to myself), you run a distinct risk of alienating your players? Is that what you want?
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Post by macdiiddy on Feb 20, 2015 21:46:07 GMT -6
I mean obviously this is a real old thread, but I did find it quite interesting to go though. An I like to think we can be a little more civil to each other in 2015 then some of the responses from 7 years ago. Even when talking about religion in public schools.
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Post by cls on Feb 21, 2015 10:42:51 GMT -6
I make no bones about it, I am 100 % trying to make disciples...I am very lucky to coach at a private school who also promotes Christianity. I truly believe I was put where I am for this purpose. No one can change anyone, that is the Lord's job, but I can use my position to introduce the good news. We, as coaches, talk about making our boys into men and how this our greatest job. But ask yourself where you get your ideas to do that and I bet you can link that back to the Bible. Again my opinion
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Post by olcoach53 on Feb 21, 2015 11:38:40 GMT -6
I shouldn't be shunned as a coach or educator because I haven't "found Christ" or believe something that somebody else believes. I think that is a crock of crap.
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