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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 1, 2008 15:48:01 GMT -6
"Coach, why do you write as if morales and values are to be derived from a singular source?" the more you speak the more afraid I am to put my child in any public education syst. You ever heard of moral relativism? Sound like you know it rather well. Coach, the more you "write" (since we are not speaking) the more I am thinking we should have a stringent national standards board to certify coaches. Also, I must assume your child is locked in their room without any outside interaction, lest they be exposed to something. Apparently your parents were lousy, since you would not want them helping develop your child (because the sole person responsible for imparting values and ethics are THE PARENTS, not the grand parents...) Also, you mentioned that the best coaches were the hardest workers. I guess this is not a value you would like your child to inherit. What other values, such as loyalty, honesty, trustworthiness, dedication, attention to detail, competitiveness, drive, love, compassion, passion, ....would you not want your child to absorb. Let's just get off the topic. You clearly don't get it, You undoubtedly WON'T get it, and everyone on the board that has read your posts have formed an opinion based on the manner and context in which you present your information.
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Post by nannother on Jun 1, 2008 15:53:24 GMT -6
For me, it's all about the frames of mind of the coaches involved. I worked with a guy for many years in several different schools in several different capacities. We worked at the middle school and high school level together, with him as the HC/OC and me as the DC. We both have our philosophies and methodologies on both sides of the ball, sometimes they meshed, sometimes they didn't. When they didn't, we talked about it, presented both sides of the coin and generally came to a compromise. He gave me ownership over what we did, but when he put his foot down, the discussion was done and over with. As long as the job got done, he was fine with whatever I did. If the job wasn't getting done, he didn't have to say a whole lot, because I would be on a mission to fix it. He trusted me to do my job as DC and valued my input, not because we always agreed, BUT BECAUSE MY INPUT WAS SOUND. If it was on the offensive side of the ball, it fit his philosophy and methodology and it was solid input. It went like this: "I think we need more yards in short D&D situations, I think we need to move the FB up and increase the line splits." Not this: "I think we need more yards in short D&D situations, I think we need to kick into 5 wide gun and throw mesh packages." If it was on the defensive side of the ball, he gave me free reign as long as it produced (i.e. DON'T GIVE UP POINTS). And coach, if I had you on my staff.. I might be more inclined to view the situation along the lines of everyone else here.. but I do not have anyone even close to that at this point.. So I am stuck doing what I feel I have to do. This may be a better way of asking the question. If a qualified 3-3-5 coach applies as your DC and you're a 5-3 guy do you not hire him because if the philosophy? If you don't hire him that may be the reason why you don't have qualified coaches around you. If you do hire him does that mean that the program isn't developing according to your vision? In High School it's hard to get good coaches so do you turn qualified coaches away simply because their specialty doesn't coincide with yours or do you adapt their philosophy into your program.
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Post by veerman on Jun 1, 2008 16:00:25 GMT -6
I think each situation is different. Sometimes you might be in a situation where your asst. coaches are just teachers who help out who do not know a how lot about the game, and you "teach" them your system. I am an assistant coach, but have goals of one day being a head coach, when that day comes I will want to find assistants who have the same philosophies as me and they can coordinate, but until my staff is filled I will teach them what I want. Got a question for you OC/DC guys who have a big problem with head coaches running their system. If you are the OC/DC and you are wanting to run a particular system, and a position coach wants to teach a different type of technique to his kids that he knows, but is not the way you want. Do you let him teach the tech he knows or tell him the technique you want and thats it.
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Post by nannother on Jun 1, 2008 16:39:04 GMT -6
I think each situation is different. Sometimes you might be in a situation where your asst. coaches are just teachers who help out who do not know a how lot about the game, and you "teach" them your system. I am an assistant coach, but have goals of one day being a head coach, when that day comes I will want to find assistants who have the same philosophies as me and they can coordinate, but until my staff is filled I will teach them what I want. Got a question for you OC/DC guys who have a big problem with head coaches running their system. If you are the OC/DC and you are wanting to run a particular system, and a position coach wants to teach a different type of technique to his kids that he knows, but is not the way you want. Do you let him teach the tech he knows or tell him the technique you want and thats it. What's entirely different because now you're not being sound.
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Post by nannother on Jun 1, 2008 16:52:31 GMT -6
What changes more than anything else at the HS level are the standards. Most start high and then slowly fall off. That is the problem with hiring guys who dont have a relatively same view of the game as you. Somebodies standards must drop. It happens in the discipline dept all the time. we start off with this policy then somebody gives in. Before long that is the new policy and so begins the slippery slope. I had a girlfriend that use to talk around the question so I have a lot if experience with it. I'll ask it again. If someone applies that is highly qualified but different scheme than you want to implement, do you hire him?
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Post by airraider on Jun 1, 2008 17:06:11 GMT -6
What changes more than anything else at the HS level are the standards. Most start high and then slowly fall off. That is the problem with hiring guys who dont have a relatively same view of the game as you. Somebodies standards must drop. It happens in the discipline dept all the time. we start off with this policy then somebody gives in. Before long that is the new policy and so begins the slippery slope. I had a girlfriend that use to talk around the question so I have a lot if experience with it. I'll ask it again. If someone applies that is highly qualified but different scheme than you want to implement, do you hire him? Well since scheme is just X's and O's.. then he can learn my scheme if he wants the job.. if not.. good luck to him in his future endeavors..
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Post by rpetrie on Jun 1, 2008 18:03:46 GMT -6
Essentially isn't it the same dilemma. A coordinator who is ONLY WILLING to run THEIR PHILOSOPHY is no different than a Head Coach who ALSO wants their philosophy installed and run. I. I don't see these as being the same. The coordinator SHOULD want to be in full control, as he is the "coordinator". As a high school coach, the perk of being the coordinator is just that...you are the "coordinator". You are growing as a coach. That is the reward, since other rewards are most likely insignificant. In the second case, if the HC wants to do the x's and o's his way, then the "coordinator" is not really a coordinator at all is he? He is just basically the lead offensive flunky, or the offensive caretaker. Two different situations present here. Definition of the verb "coordinate:" to arrange in proper order...to bring into a common action; no where do I see the explanation of a coordinator as the creator of what is being organized. Perhaps I will just accept that your "understanding" of what a coordinator does is different from mine or others, which is perfectly fine. Coordinators on my staff will be what I understand a coordinator to be...someone who runs the philosophical framework of my offense/defense/special teams as the STAFF has orchestrated during our prepatory meetings, and with the final approval of myself...the head coach. Being titled a "coordinator" in no way gives a high school coach carte blanch freedom to do as he best see fit. My defensive coordinator runs the show on game day without question from me...because I know what he is using so I don't have to look over his shoulder. If he was using a scheme different from mine philosophically, it limits the adjustments we are capable of making. It is a team effort and ALL coaches must be on the same page.
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Post by nannother on Jun 1, 2008 18:23:59 GMT -6
Definition of the verb "coordinate:" to arrange in proper order...to bring into a common action; no where do I see the explanation of a coordinator as the creator of what is being organized. Perhaps I will just accept that your "understanding" of what a coordinator does is different from mine or others, which is perfectly fine. Coordinators on my staff will be what I understand a coordinator to be...someone who runs the philosophical framework of my offense/defense/special teams as the STAFF has orchestrated during our prepatory meetings, and with the final approval of myself...the head coach. Being titled a "coordinator" in no way gives a high school coach carte blanch freedom to do as he best see fit. My defensive coordinator runs the show on game day without question from me...because I know what he is using so I don't have to look over his shoulder. If he was using a scheme different from mine philosophically, it limits the adjustments we are capable of making. It is a team effort and ALL coaches must be on the same page. Perhaps if you used the correct word, which is COORDINATOR, you would have been a little more enlightened. 1) To harmonize in a common action or effort. 2) to bring into a common action, movement, or condition. I haven't seen many job posts looking for and O/D coordinate. Also, if you look up Head Coach you'll find that it doesn't exist, so how can you make that comparison.
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Post by airraider on Jun 1, 2008 18:38:21 GMT -6
Definition of the verb "coordinate:" to arrange in proper order...to bring into a common action; no where do I see the explanation of a coordinator as the creator of what is being organized. Perhaps I will just accept that your "understanding" of what a coordinator does is different from mine or others, which is perfectly fine. Coordinators on my staff will be what I understand a coordinator to be...someone who runs the philosophical framework of my offense/defense/special teams as the STAFF has orchestrated during our prepatory meetings, and with the final approval of myself...the head coach. Being titled a "coordinator" in no way gives a high school coach carte blanch freedom to do as he best see fit. My defensive coordinator runs the show on game day without question from me...because I know what he is using so I don't have to look over his shoulder. If he was using a scheme different from mine philosophically, it limits the adjustments we are capable of making. It is a team effort and ALL coaches must be on the same page. Perhaps if you used the correct word, which is COORDINATOR, you would have been a little more enlightened. 1) To harmonize in a common action or effort. 2) to bring into a common action, movement, or condition. I haven't seen many job posts looking for and O/D coordinate. Also, if you look up Head Coach you'll find that it doesn't exist, so how can you make that comparison. Umm.. that post was a little childish.. Being that you are in a professional environment, one can ascertain that you understand that the term coordinate is the action that a coordinator performs. There is really NO separation of the two in terms of definition.. You seem to be just splitting hairs in order to assume the upper hand.
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Post by nannother on Jun 1, 2008 20:10:15 GMT -6
Perhaps if you used the correct word, which is COORDINATOR, you would have been a little more enlightened. 1) To harmonize in a common action or effort. 2) to bring into a common action, movement, or condition. I haven't seen many job posts looking for and O/D coordinate. Also, if you look up Head Coach you'll find that it doesn't exist, so how can you make that comparison. Umm.. that post was a little childish.. Being that you are in a professional environment, one can ascertain that you understand that the term coordinate is the action that a coordinator performs. There is really NO separation of the two in terms of definition.. You seem to be just splitting hairs in order to assume the upper hand. Actually there IS a separation of the of the two words when you're trying to make a "PLAY ON WORDS" or define what a word means. At least use the correct word.
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Post by coachdawhip on Jun 1, 2008 20:42:32 GMT -6
My personal thoughts are this.
One of my best friends became HC at the school where we both teach.
WE both are flexbone guys.
He wants me to be the AHC/OC , where I currently am at I have the same position.
I am staying where I am because, while me and best friend both believe in the flexbone, he feels it is important year "1" that he calls the plays and I learn how run his system like I was him.
He basically said he had been waiting 14 years to run his offense his way and I respect that, he has a solid philosophy laid out. I am a big believer in if you can't do it the bosses way (HC) then get out of the train. The assistants and coordinators should be extensions of the HC.
My buddy wants me to help organize the team and game plan with him, but on Friday's he wants to steer the part of the ship that deals with offensive play-calling in addition to his regular captain duties.
Where I currently coach, I get to run my offense 90% my way, my HC would love for us to be a Shotgun spread running team, but I don't have those kids IMO, so I have convinced him on why my system works with a little bit of what he wants so that we can do good. And he has giving me freedom, does he still tell me what he wants and how he wants it, when he wants it, YES!!!
He is the HC it is his name on the marquee. But he trusts his coordinators (Offense and defense) to get the job done we both run systems that we didn't want at 1st. he wanted a Spread-50 team, we are a flexbone-44 team. My buddy on the other hand has his offense and defense set.
I want to believe if I was the HC, I would want my system ran, but would also give my coordinators some freedom to do the job there way.
But I think part of this arguement also depends on the LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE the coach has. In my buddy's situation he needs a younger coach he can mold. While I still can be molded. I have reached a certain level that he is unable to provide.
I think a HC should hire some one he feels will be a good coordinator 1st, and belief in tbe HC's system is a plus. But someone who can get the job done. They should decide on a system, HC has the final say and finish that system through the season. After the season, if the OC or DC feels it needs tweaking or an overhaul go to the HC and talk to him about it. If the boss says no, either perfect his or move on.
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Post by tog on Jun 1, 2008 20:45:54 GMT -6
I am not going to stand on the mound and preach to those kids. My job is to teach the game of football, not morales ethics and value systems. Again not my place nor is it my job. Yes they look to me. But the way I live my life should be reflected in how I treat them and how I raise my family and do my job. At the high school level job number one is to teach the kids how to be good citizens. Work ethic, teamwork, sacrifice, being coachable, etc are the ways to do this and the wins will take care of themselves if the talent is there at all. The answer is, when the hc says it is this way, guess what it is this way if you don't like it say so and try to change it if the hc changes his mind then great if not the kids out on the field better not hear any doubt in your mind as an assistant otherwise move your asssssss somewhere else now should a hc give his oc full reign? depends it depends on the hc the oc the comfort level each have with each other how the philosohpies of each mesh together either way it is the hc's butt on the line not the oc's so rule 23 baby whatever the hc says if you don't like it move on down the road
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Post by airraider on Jun 1, 2008 21:33:04 GMT -6
I am not going to stand on the mound and preach to those kids. My job is to teach the game of football, not morales ethics and value systems. Again not my place nor is it my job. Yes they look to me. But the way I live my life should be reflected in how I treat them and how I raise my family and do my job. At the high school level job number one is to teach the kids how to be good citizens. Work ethic, teamwork, sacrifice, being coachable, etc are the ways to do this and the wins will take care of themselves if the talent is there at all. The answer is, when the hc says it is this way, guess what it is this way if you don't like it say so and try to change it if the hc changes his mind then great if not the kids out on the field better not hear any doubt in your mind as an assistant otherwise move your asssssss somewhere else now should a hc give his oc full reign? depends it depends on the hc the oc the comfort level each have with each other how the philosohpies of each mesh together either way it is the hc's butt on the line not the oc's so rule 23 baby whatever the hc says if you don't like it move on down the road Bingo!!
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Post by phantom on Jun 1, 2008 23:35:52 GMT -6
I am not going to stand on the mound and preach to those kids. My job is to teach the game of football, not morales ethics and value systems. Again not my place nor is it my job. Yes they look to me. But the way I live my life should be reflected in how I treat them and how I raise my family and do my job. At the high school level job number one is to teach the kids how to be good citizens. Work ethic, teamwork, sacrifice, being coachable, etc are the ways to do this and the wins will take care of themselves if the talent is there at all. The answer is, when the hc says it is this way, guess what it is this way if you don't like it say so and try to change it if the hc changes his mind then great if not the kids out on the field better not hear any doubt in your mind as an assistant otherwise move your asssssss somewhere else now should a hc give his oc full reign? depends it depends on the hc the oc the comfort level each have with each other how the philosohpies of each mesh together either way it is the hc's butt on the line not the oc's so rule 23 baby whatever the hc says if you don't like it move on down the road So I moved down the road. I won't work for a dictator. I also don't expect carte blanche. Everything that we do is subject to scrutiny from the HC and the rest of the staff. This weekend the HC is reviewing the tentative playbook for 2008. Not everything will make the cut. That's fine. It'll be a group decision, not an arbitrary one. I'll have a chance to state my case and will decide which are important enough to fight for and when it's time to cut bait. The point is that we will have a chance to talk it out. The point has been made that the HC's name is on the line. Bull$hit. I'm a professional. A lifer. My name is on the line, too. I'm not looking to make DVDs. I'm in it to win. I don't care about "moving up". I don't care about making a name for myself. If his ideas, or any ideas from the staff, further that cause, fine. I know that the man wants to win. There's no ego involved. That, I can live with. Running a 4-4 "because that's what I've alwys run" is silly.
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Post by tedseay on Jun 2, 2008 5:09:04 GMT -6
I remember on here when Calande was looking to uproot his entire family 1500 miles just so he could coach the dbl wing. Yeah, but in the end he got it down to just over 700 miles. ;D ;D
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Post by brophy on Jun 2, 2008 7:16:49 GMT -6
wowzers. #1 this thread has completely perverted the entire intent of the original post. Congratulations #2 airraider may not be a great communicator. His situation really doesn't have anything to do with this discussion in all honesty. This is an apples to bologna sandwiches comparison, because he walked into a situation with no coaches. He has adults on staff who are mainly there to be supervisors of children. Getting paid assistants that WANT to coach is tough when there isn't much incentive to bring them on. Beggars can't be choosers. We can make all these high-minded claims about what "we would do", but when you get in a pit and have to get out, you really can't follow 'best practices'. It was a debate on 4-3 vs 4-4 as a base. Our league goes from one extreme to the next. With mainly Wing T or Spread teams, I though the best base was a 4-4 because if little adjustments from week to week and He wants 4-3 for the same reason. #3. 4 man front Cover 3 or 4 man fron Cover 2. Do you want to base out of Cover 3 or Cover 2? Sounds like a run-first league, which is why you want to go C3. What are these guys REALLY disagreeing on? What to call the players / positions? Because if you're 44 or 43, they are doing the same things. I'd carry that out to if you wanted to be a 43 guy or a 35 guy.....*@$#@, you're still playing the SAME coverage, covering the SAME gaps, and need to focus on the SAME techniques and fundamentals. #4 The HC can do whatever he wants. A business owner can do whatever he wants. However, working efficiently is surrounding yourself with good people who can work autonomously. If all you want is lemmings to follow your command, then the practice will only be as good as you are. If you build a team of competent people, the group can be worlds better than any one individual. #5 The HC has to find out his good (or bad) his people are by giving them responsibility. If you can remain complacent, why wouldn't you? Folks have to be challenged (experience discomfort) to become better than they currently are. If you are giving the reigns to the defense, and screw up....then you learned what didn't work (we'd hope). #6 Communication is the bottom line. If it is closed, everyone will die (no growth). If it is open, everyone will prosper (growth). What is best for the program?
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Post by olinecoach61 on Jun 2, 2008 8:13:02 GMT -6
Ego anyone?
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Post by tog on Jun 2, 2008 8:20:40 GMT -6
I won't work for a dictator. I also don't expect carte blanche. Everything that we do is subject to scrutiny from the HC and the rest of the staff. This weekend the HC is reviewing the tentative playbook for 2008. Not everything will make the cut. That's fine. It'll be a group decision, not an arbitrary one. I'll have a chance to state my case and will decide which are important enough to fight for and when it's time to cut bait. The point is that we will have a chance to talk it out. this about sums it up--as in, that is how it should be, and those are the places that win consistently thanks phantom
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Post by nannother on Jun 2, 2008 8:27:05 GMT -6
[/quote] #3. 4 man front Cover 3 or 4 man fron Cover 2. Do you want to base out of Cover 3 or Cover 2? Sounds like a run-first league, which is why you want to go C3. What are these guys REALLY disagreeing on? What to call the players / positions? Because if you're 44 or 43, they are doing the same things. [/quote]
I asked because I would think that most head coaches would be more about RECIPROCITY. I would never want to be, or work for, a HC that wouldn't let his assistants have a say in anything. The discussion we had, as a new staff, about what defense was extremely healthy. The HC/4-4 the DC/4-3 the end result TEAMWORK. At the end of the day we decided to on the 4-3 and screw down the FS against Pro formations (pretty standard).
The Offense, however, was a completely different story. He knew what he wanted to run. That's why he found an Option OC.
Just wanted to know if it was standard practice for an HC to compromise.
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Post by coachdawhip on Jun 2, 2008 8:45:02 GMT -6
So I moved down the road. I won't work for a dictator. I also don't expect carte blanche. Everything that we do is subject to scrutiny from the HC and the rest of the staff. This weekend the HC is reviewing the tentative playbook for 2008. Not everything will make the cut. That's fine. It'll be a group decision, not an arbitrary one. I'll have a chance to state my case and will decide which are important enough to fight for and when it's time to cut bait. The point is that we will have a chance to talk it out. The point has been made that the HC's name is on the line. Bull$hit. I'm a professional. A lifer. My name is on the line, too. I'm not looking to make DVDs. I'm in it to win. I don't care about "moving up". I don't care about making a name for myself. If his ideas, or any ideas from the staff, further that cause, fine. I know that the man wants to win. There's no ego involved. That, I can live with. Running a 4-4 "because that's what I've alwys run" is silly. In most cases not close to his, see if he doesn't win, he needs a new job, employment and a new way to feed his family, Assistants on the other hand usually find work with the next boss or close to town. Your family lively hood doesn't depend on if you should go for it on 4 and 1 from the 49.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jun 2, 2008 9:45:24 GMT -6
So I moved down the road. I won't work for a dictator. I also don't expect carte blanche. Everything that we do is subject to scrutiny from the HC and the rest of the staff. This weekend the HC is reviewing the tentative playbook for 2008. Not everything will make the cut. That's fine. It'll be a group decision, not an arbitrary one. I'll have a chance to state my case and will decide which are important enough to fight for and when it's time to cut bait. The point is that we will have a chance to talk it out. The point has been made that the HC's name is on the line. Bull$hit. I'm a professional. A lifer. My name is on the line, too. I'm not looking to make DVDs. I'm in it to win. I don't care about "moving up". I don't care about making a name for myself. If his ideas, or any ideas from the staff, further that cause, fine. I know that the man wants to win. There's no ego involved. That, I can live with. Running a 4-4 "because that's what I've alwys run" is silly. In most cases not close to his, see if he doesn't win, he needs a new job, employment and a new way to feed his family, Assistants on the other hand usually find work with the next boss or close to town.Your family lively hood doesn't depend on if you should go for it on 4 and 1 from the 49. you ain't from 'round here, is ya? ... cus that's not how it works in these parts ... if the HC thinks he's the only one with something invested, and the only one that stands to lose something, then that man is sadly mistaken.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 2, 2008 9:49:55 GMT -6
The point has been made that the HC's name is on the line. Bull$hit. I'm a professional. A lifer. My name is on the line, too. I'm not looking to make DVDs. I'm in it to win. I don't care about "moving up". I don't care about making a name for myself. If his ideas, or any ideas from the staff, further that cause, fine. I know that the man wants to win. There's no ego involved. That, I can live with. Running a 4-4 "because that's what I've alwys run" is silly. In most cases not close to his, see if he doesn't win, he needs a new job, employment and a new way to feed his family, Assistants on the other hand usually find work with the next boss or close to town. Your family lively hood doesn't depend on if you should go for it on 4 and 1 from the 49. Untrue in many, many cases. A high school HC's mortgage is paid in the vast majority of cases through his work as a classroom teacher. A loss in HC title due to losses would not result in a loss of a teaching position for a tenured teacher. In cases where it WOULD, I would be surprised if it also wouldnt result in the dismissal of his coaching staff--such that a new coach could bring in his own staff. So either way, the assistants have as much at stake as the HEADERS...other than public scrutiny.
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Post by brophy on Jun 2, 2008 9:59:07 GMT -6
Just wanted to know if it was standard practice for an HC to compromise. With the good ones - yes "comprimise" is defined as 'defeat' for some people. The discussion lead to clarity, not placating egos, which is the sign of a healthy staff environment.
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Post by coachdawhip on Jun 2, 2008 10:03:53 GMT -6
Huey, IN GA when the HC is fired, most of the other coaches aren't ran off, even in South GA where it is most similar to Texas.
coachd5085, while in GA most coaches are teachers, if he loses his HC job, he won't be teaching at that school next year.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 2, 2008 10:15:13 GMT -6
Huey, IN GA when the HC is fired, most of the other coaches aren't ran off, even in South GA where it is most similar to Texas. coachd5085, while in GA most coaches are teachers, if he loses his HC job, he won't be teaching at that school next year. Is that contractual, or is that just the standard practice. In LA, the same usually occurs, but not because of the contract. Generally the HC who was replaced wants to continue coaching, and won't do so at the same school. If it is contractual, BUT he is not allowed to stock his staff with those he wants... well, that is a foolish method of administrating.
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Post by nannother on Jun 2, 2008 11:07:11 GMT -6
Huey, IN GA when the HC is fired, most of the other coaches aren't ran off, even in South GA where it is most similar to Texas. coachd5085, while in GA most coaches are teachers, if he loses his HC job, he won't be teaching at that school next year. Most of the coaches we replaced will be in the building next semester. I can already foresee problems. Former HC is extremely bitter. He has a lot of the kids gear and equipment locked in his office closet. I'm going to get it today. I can tell next season will be fun.
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Post by alexn on Jun 2, 2008 23:32:20 GMT -6
Ultimately the HC is responsible for everything. But it would be foolish for any coach to believe he knows all and not consider what is really best for the program. So thats what it comes down to, determining when to step up or step aside and delegate to great assistants. Whether you agree or not, considering whats best for the program and produces wins is the key.
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Post by ufpena on Jun 3, 2008 7:58:50 GMT -6
Why hire an OC or DC if you are going to run the show yourself. If you are going to dictate the play called or the player to be subbed into the game and the time he will be put into the game including down and distance, why don't you just call the entire game yourself. I experienced a year that I wouod not want my worst of enemies to experience. I as OC was told when I could try to score, when I could throw the ball, what plays I could run and when to call the play I was told to call. Initially, I had been hired to run the R &S because thaA WAS THE OFFENSE i KNEW, but before the season startedevrything was changed. Why hire me if he was going to micro manage.
I better stop; opening up those wounds does no one any good.
In summation, call it yourself if you are going to micro manage. As for me, as head coach, one side of the ball is complex enough. i will inform myself and be aware of what the other side of the ball is doing and let them run the show on their side. Special situations will have already been discussed and covered in practice and in the office. Anything that may spring up and surprise us the HC will determine the proper avenue.
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Post by airraider on Jun 3, 2008 8:32:34 GMT -6
I guess some people are speaking on this subject differently than others..
I personally am not saying I want to control every aspect of the defense.. I dont want to call the game on Fridays.. I dont want to sub.. I dont want to run the defensive practices.. I dont want to implement the drills..
but.. I will decide the scheme we will run as a team. I will decide who plays where I will decide what we should focus on week in and week out I will have final say on Friday nights if its 4th and goal with a minute left from the 4 and we are up by 4.
Because ALL of those are game/program management decisions. And I will not allow those to fall out of my hands.
If you do not agree with any of that, then please never apply at Woodlawn High School in Shreveport LA as long as I am the HC.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 3, 2008 11:15:10 GMT -6
I guess some people are speaking on this subject differently than others.. I personally am not saying I want to control every aspect of the defense.. I dont want to call the game on Fridays.. I dont want to sub.. I dont want to run the defensive practices.. I dont want to implement the drills.. but.. I will decide the scheme we will run as a team. I will decide who plays where I will decide what we should focus on week in and week out I will have final say on Friday nights if its 4th and goal with a minute left from the 4 and we are up by 4. Because ALL of those are game/program management decisions. And I will not allow those to fall out of my hands. If you do not agree with any of that, then please never apply at Woodlawn High School in Shreveport LA as long as I am the HC. So many "I's" Again, in your situation this year, coming into a staff that you haven't worked with, and that hasn't really shown you they are much more than guys with whistles...I would agree. There are things you can do though to make it a whole lot less "I-centric" If you don't have anyone you feel competent about, good call. Now you need to entrust that person who you have decided to be a DC to go research that subject and continually be in constant contact with you as HE develops HIS new defense. Constantly whiteboarding hiim for adjustments (should be easy, you are an offensive guy-- "What if I do this..What if I do that..." Tell him "Ok, we are going to meet this friday, and I want to see what answers you have come up with against this, this and this...and what drills you think the position coaches need to do to accomplish that, that and that..... If you are one platooning, I would agree. Two platooning... I think you should first QUESTION why certain players are places, and let the coaches explain their rationale. No rationale...then you explain that in a successful program, there needs to be reasons for EVERYTHIGN. What I read here is "I am on a staff of bozos. None of them have any clue of anything." If this is the case, then yes, I would proceed as outlined earlier...through guiding questions. Yes, this is definitely your call..HOWEVER this is one of the TOP REASONS why experienced coaches who have developed staffs get out of the coordinator business. To be completely impartial in situations like these. To manage a game rather than a unit. Again, your situation is vastly different (according to your words, and the thread starters words) than the original question. Original question was "I have a really qualified guy, who disagrees with me. Is it common for the HC to allow the subordinate coaches idea to stand" Which is clearly a YES. Now, I would say that if in 2 years, you haven't developed coaches who are capable of doing the things you said YOU should do this year...I would say you didnt do your job.
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