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Post by wildcat on Apr 19, 2008 21:21:42 GMT -6
My impression is that two guys have the same job, and one doesn't seem to be doing it. Where did you get that impression? Because I didn't get that at all. I don't think that the original poster said ANYTHING about this other coach not doing his job. Can a "great" teacher leave at noon if the principal is okay with it? According to many comments here: YES. Come on... You are comparing apples to oranges here...the teaching schedule (when you are supposed to be at work and when you are allowed to leave) is CLEARLY spelled out in EVERY contract I have ever seen...NOT the case with stipends for extracurricular duties. In fact, in most, if not ALL cases, the actual job duties of someone who is receiving a stipend for assisting with an extracurricular activity is laid out by the head coach or director of the sport or activity. Not the school board, not the principal, not the teacher's union...it is the person who is in charge of the particular activity who gets to decide who is responsible for what.
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Post by schultbear74 on Apr 19, 2008 21:23:52 GMT -6
I've never been paid what I am worth as a coach. I don't know if I made too much or too little. I love the game. I teach and it makes the teaching worthwhile. One guy said that he just wants to work with great people and that comes closest to my point of view. In my current job, I choose to work without a stipend because: a. I don't need it (got me a sugar Momma), b. some younger coaches do and c. I like to work with good people. We did lose a coach this year because he tied his ego to the stipend and what his role was on the staff. I find that successful staffs park their egos and seek to create an atmosphere where good things happen.
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Post by trojan on Apr 20, 2008 7:29:59 GMT -6
My impression is that two guys have the same job, and one doesn't seem to be doing it. "Where did you get that impression? Because I didn't get that at all. I don't think that the original poster said ANYTHING about this other coach not doing his job." Apparently I'm not in agreement with everyone. I will say this as a statement of fact: If I were to show up forty-five minutes to an hour late to each practice, I would not be doing my job. Since I, as a coach, couldn't miss that percentage of practice and still do my job, I took that to mean that the guy who missed so much practice was not doing his job. That was my impression. I have a coach on my staff that has no contract, who works only for the love of the game, and he does not need a union or board of anything to tell him that he must to be there when practice starts. It is part of the job. He comes to BFS in the spring, conditioning and camp in the summer, and then each day of the season. If Sparkey was griping about the money, then everybody and his brother could chime in and truthfully explain how none of us is truly compensated financially. I was looking at it like he was griping about the guy not attending four or five hours of practice each week. That would concern me, even if it did not concern anyone else. I'm wasn't trying to piss anybody off, but I guess I failed at that. I was just trying to give my opinion. If I read it wrong, then I'm sorry.
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Post by schultbear74 on Apr 20, 2008 7:48:42 GMT -6
My impression is a bit different. I'm not having a problem with it though. There are reasons for a person showing up late that are acceptable to me unless we can do better. I have even been a party to organizing practice around one coaches schedule and while it is uncomfortable if it works it works.
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Post by Coach JR on Apr 20, 2008 8:11:05 GMT -6
I would discuss it with the head coach. Yeah, especially if he wants to look like a whiner. I'm willing to bet that the HC not only has noticed it, but approved it ahead of time, and for reasons only the HC and the "late coach" have need to know about. IF that is not the case, the HC will notice and take care of the problem, if it is a problem at all. I can see that if this coach is arbitrarily deciding on his own when to show up that it is a problem. If it continues, and that's the case, and the HC doesn't address it, then you got bigger problems than the coach showing up late. As for the "message" it sends. If the kids get confused by the "message" then the HC or their position coach can straighten that confusion out easily with "he's a coach, you're a player, he's where he's supposed to be on time, he's just not scheduled to be here when practice starts, now line up for gassers for being late!" Curious how the original poster knows this other coaches salary?
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Post by phantom on Apr 20, 2008 8:23:13 GMT -6
I would discuss it with the head coach. Yeah, especially if he wants to look like a whiner. I'm willing to bet that the HC not only has noticed it, but approved it ahead of time, and for reasons only the HC and the "late coach" have need to know about. IF that is not the case, the HC will notice and take care of the problem, if it is a problem at all. I can see that if this coach is arbitrarily deciding on his own when to show up that it is a problem. If it continues, and that's the case, and the HC doesn't address it, then you got bigger problems than the coach showing up late. As for the "message" it sends. If the kids get confused by the "message" then the HC or their position coach can straighten that confusion out easily with "he's a coach, you're a player, he's where he's supposed to be on time, he's just not scheduled to be here when practice starts, now line up for gassers for being late!" Curious how the original poster knows this other coaches salary? HS coaches pretty much all get paid the same. If not there's still a set formula. Otherwise I agree with you. Obviously the HC knows the guy's situation and is OK with it. That should be the end of it.
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Post by casec11 on Apr 23, 2008 6:33:15 GMT -6
I wonder how the situation would work out in the business field. Ya, I'm sure they would let me come in late every day and no one would have an issue with it..... Actually in the business field employee’s work out their salary and any other issues with their employer, not their fellow workers or peers. What ever arrangements another employee has worked out with the powers that be are of no concern to anyone but that employee and the company heads. An employee is only owed what he has agreed to work for, not more or less because someone else put more or less time in.
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Post by Coach Huey on Apr 23, 2008 7:09:18 GMT -6
1. Is this coach being gone taking money away from the other coaches? 2. Are this coach's duties being covered by others on staff?
Doubt the answer to #1 is "yes" ... so it is not an issue. As mentioned, it will seem petty.
But, if you have a "gripe" about this situation then attack it from the viewpoint of #2. But, if that is not an issue ... i.e. he has little responsibility or he is handling his duties then let it go.
Ask yourself what is the true root of the problem. * You don't think the guy should be paid in full? How does that better YOUR situation? Would the money he 'loses' be divided up amongst the remaining coaches? (doubt that ... lol)
* You are mad because the guys hours are not the same as yours? Could you be late 45 minutes and still cover your duties? Are his responsibilities comparitive to his time?
What type of resolution do you want? * The guy to be fired if he doesn't come in 'on time'? ... So, you may risk going a complete coach short?
* The guy's pay be reduced? ... Again, how is that affecting your pay and why should it?
* Your hours be reduced? ... Can you get your duties completed with reduced hours?
I would only meet with the HC about this if I was having to cover that coach's duties and mine began to suffer or if I wasn't in some way being compensated (doesn't have to be money but maybe a tradeoff of some "crap-detail" down the road). My approach wouldn't be that "why does he make the same as me" ... but, make it about, "Coach, I'm having a hard time taking care of my responsibilities properly because I am spending some time doing these things because Coach Blah-blah is consistenly late.". Seek help for the immediate problem -- which would be duties are being neglected (which hurts the team) and you/other coaches are trying to cover them but it affects your duties (which hurts the team) -- something needs to be done so that all duties get done effectively (which HELPS the team). Other than that - LET IT GO.
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Post by spos21ram on Apr 23, 2008 9:04:08 GMT -6
I think there was a parable in the bible about that....something about coveting your neighbor's goods or something. I'm not trying to take the high-road, but just pointing out that this is a small-time, petty issue. ~BrophyI think if you are full time coach and get paid as a full time coach, then you ought to be at practice full time! I wonder how the situation would work out in the business field. Ya, I'm sure they would let me come in late every day and no one would have an issue with it.....ya, right! Brophy, I thin I know you well enough to know you are playing "devil's advocate." Paid full time???!!! HAHAHAHA Our high school coaching pay is hardley a full time PAYING job. Full time hours, yes. But pay? No. You havn't answered why he is late everyday? Is he coming from his REAL full tiem job? If so then there is no issue with that. If he's blowing practice off for no reason then it's a problem.
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Post by red on Apr 23, 2008 13:10:31 GMT -6
Sounds like to me your problem has nothing to do with the guy who is late or the money, and more to do with you not trusting the decisions you head coach is making. Didn't John Wooden say "don't treat people equal, treat them the way they deserve to be treated". Like everyone else has said, you need to address this with your head coach, and express your concerns. It would trouble me greatly if I found out my assistants were second guessing me. Especially if they were second guessing me without having the courage to come to me and attempt to find out the entire story.
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Post by coachmacplains on Apr 24, 2008 13:49:43 GMT -6
Hey, you guys that talk of assisting for nothing, have I got a job for you...........
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Post by tye2021 on Apr 24, 2008 14:47:12 GMT -6
The only question that needs to be addressed is, "Why is he late?" Is it work, laziness or what? IMHO after 9 years the HC is aware and knows the situation. He obviously doen't thinks its any concern of yours.
But as Huey and a few others have stated, if it affects your RESPONSIBILITIES then you have a valid gripe and need to take it to the HC.
The pay is none of your concern.
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