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Post by coachZL on Sept 18, 2021 21:32:05 GMT -6
"Kid can't catch a cold"- wr/db who can't catch
"He picked the wrong parents" - a player who is talented but is under sized and/or slow
"Underwear all star" - kid who looks great until they get pads on.
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Post by coachZL on Nov 21, 2018 11:17:52 GMT -6
What the OP described is clearly illegal, nobody is debating that. As is the intentional DPI, OL downfield on RPO if thrown, cutting down a pulling blocker, etc. But running on an eligible number for an ineligible number has a certain level of deception that just feels ethically wrong. Just like the intentional holding when running out the clock, to me it that is closer to the level of deception of the TE or OL than the other penalties that were discussed. These just feel like a blatant disregard for the rules.
Everyone has a line that they aren't willing to cross. Some just have it further down the road than others. For me then intentional DPI, RPO, cutting pullers, and grasping the breast plate are all things that I would/do teach. Same as defensive holding. When running twist with the DL I tell the first guy to grab and turn the shoulders to make sure 2 guys are blocking him so the second guy has a free hole to run through. These feel like gamesmanship, natural movements and situations that take place during the course of the game.
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Post by coachZL on Oct 20, 2018 10:07:20 GMT -6
Here is the situation. We picked up a preseason opponent this year that we had never played before. I’ve got a couple of guys I played college ball with on the staff of a team that plays them in conference and one is the DC. I ask the DC twice. First time he said he forgot and would go in the next day and send it. It never came so I left it alone (I’m assuming the HC said no) Now they have a shot at #2 in the conference if they beat this team and the other guy on staff I know is asking me for our game against them. I’m going to ask my HC what he thinks but I thought it was an interesting situation. Would you give them the film or not? If your HC is ok with giving them the film I would give it to them. In the league that we play in there was an agreement between all the head coaches that they would not trade league film with non league opponents. That could have been the case here. It may be worth asking this friend of yours why you couldn't get the film when you needed if. If anything just to put some frustrations behind you.
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Post by coachZL on Oct 17, 2018 10:33:49 GMT -6
I dont think OP said anything about NOT letting the kid take the time off.
I definitely understand the frustration of OP, maybe football just isn't for that kid, maybe he just put too much on his plate. One thing is for sure is that kid needs to work on his time management skills and understand what he is capable of handling. Kids have reasons for missing practice all the time, what needs to be clear is there are consequences for doing so. I personally like playing time being a consequence, it seems to be the one thing that matters most to the kids, others may say making up missed conditioning.
The kids are STUDENT ATHLETES. You cant be one if you are not both. What I mean by that is you cannot let being an athlete affect being a student or vice versa.
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Post by coachZL on Sept 25, 2018 15:29:23 GMT -6
I could understand the flag if it was a Deion Sanders high step but this was not that. I am curious what his first unsportsmanlike penalty was for. Already on the refs radar need to be extra careful. One does not justify the other but not everyone will separate the two.
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Post by coachZL on Aug 21, 2018 14:55:50 GMT -6
When I got into coaching I was young and dumb. I figured what the hell why not do it for a few years. I figured it would be a couple of hours for practice and then game day. Little did I know I would be making less than 10 cents an hour and put in more time away from the field than I could possibly imagine at that time. (The guy who brought me into this great profession neglected to mention the commitment that was actually needed)
Another thing I did not realize is how much more rewarding coaching football would be than anything else I was doing at that time and that I would still be doing it 10 years later. Building friendships with fellow coaches, and seeing the range of emotions that, at times, overwhelm kids throughout a season. Watching kids literally mature year to year if not even month to month.
I met my wife while coaching football (she was/is a teacher on campus) and dammit she thinks its damn sexy that I choose to give my time to be apart of our community. I am definitely one of those coaches who got very lucky with the gal I ended up with. It takes a special person to be a coaches wife.
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Post by coachZL on Aug 17, 2018 10:33:52 GMT -6
I didn't say not to repeat a successful play until the defense adjusted-stopped it. I did that myself many times over 30 years calling plays.
To do otherwise would be poor coaching.
My point was to describe that tactic with any of those three phrases is cliché to the point of meaningless.
I get what you’re saying. Like in practice when the scout team defense picks a ball off and the OC says” don’t worry about that if he sits like that in a game we are going to kill them with this play.” I’m sitting there like how the hell are you just going to say that when the QB hit the safety in the chest with the ball? It was a terrible read It’s always offensive coaches who say that sh!t As a DC when Im helping on scout team and the OC say to line guys up in different looks I always line them up so they are balanced with the offense. At some point during the period I always end up hearing (usualy when we are stopping one play) "THEY ARENT GOING TO LINE UP LIKE THAT" or "THEY ARENT GOING TO PLAY THAT COVERAGE" then proceed to line guys up so the play works. I just shake my head because any DC worth a chit isnt going to allow his defense to be outnumbered.
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Post by coachZL on Jul 16, 2018 16:14:08 GMT -6
Not really coach speak but more clinic talk / experience. Drives me NUTS when you listen to a guy giving a clinic and he says "My guys are no different from your guys, just average HS kids and blah..blah" then puts the tape on and the '85 Bears pi$$ themselves a little. I know many of these teams are still well coached but the tagline of we have guys just like everybody else when you don't annoys me. Nothing wrong w/ having talent. When we're up I say it. Ain't takin' credit for all the wins nor blame for all the losses. Once heard the De La Salle DC, Eidson tell an entire room “We have the same guys you do” during his clinic talk. R u kidding me! I heard the same thing. He then proceeded to show us his 2 mammoth defensive ends who would play a 7 tech controlling C gap and also beat the Running back to the sideline on any outside run. We dont get those kind of kids.
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Post by coachZL on Jul 9, 2018 22:36:35 GMT -6
Costco definitely Costco.
We went a few years ago and stayed in kahana falls just north of kaanipali. There is a really good fresh fish market in Kaanipali that we did go and pick up some fish to cook for dinner one night.
To the gentleman who mentioned the luau in Lahaina it was great. Terrific food and show. The one we went to was the Old Lahaina Luau. We also spent the day in Lahaina prior to the luau. Lots of small shops to walk through even got to see a coulple guys hand carving some tiki's (super cool) some really nice art rooms are through out the town as well.
And always great golf we played 2 courses while we were there we played the dunes and kahili golf course both terrific and yes everything does break to the nearest coast line so check your map before you play. I watched one putt break up hill.
If it's still open stop by the Maui Tropical Plantation. A gorgeous piece of land with a pretty good restaurant and the tour of the grounds was pretty cool as well.
Have a great time!!
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Post by coachZL on Jul 6, 2018 15:21:40 GMT -6
Every thread seems like it’s turning into “you can’t do this vs. this!” or “that doesn’t work!” types of pissing matches and I’m sick of it. To be frank, I don’t really care what defense Nick Saban runs on 3rd & Medium on the right hash against a 2x2 set. This site is meant for HIGH SCHOOL OR YOUTH COACHES to get better. Not to bicker about some miniscule difference in a collegiate coverage that 99% of high school teams will never run. It’s gotten to the point where I’m finding myself scrolling through threads from 2015 when I wanna learn something. I’m really missing some of the great posters this forum used to have, like Lochness or OJW. . Maybe the problem is that you don't have the secret decoder ring. But to get the secret decoder ring you need to be a 33rd degree freemason with access to the all seeing eye.
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Post by coachZL on Nov 8, 2017 15:45:25 GMT -6
You guys are forgetting laser lights with the smoke. and fire cannons. Definitely fire cannons. We may not win the game but I'll be damned if we don't win the entrance.
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Post by coachZL on Oct 27, 2017 15:00:47 GMT -6
I don't see this particular situation being either unethical or unsportsmanlike. It's in the first half, and the clock will be in running time in the second half. You want an example of unsportsmanlike / unethical? Many years ago, I witnessed a JV game where a team is up by 40, sores and goes for 2. They succeed. 48-0. Then on the ensuing kickoff, they onside kick, recover this, and begin throwing 35 yard bombs into the end zone with their first string in. And there is like 2 minutes left in the game. The losing coach refused to shake hands with the winner at the end of the game, he got censured for his lack of sportsmanship.Yea that is bad. That would be a game where I would be upset.
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Post by coachZL on Oct 27, 2017 14:29:49 GMT -6
I was just told about this situation in a game that was played last night. 1:30 to go in the first half and the Kicking team is up 35-0. they decide to do a mid level pooch kick and end up recovering the ball (I was told the receiving team ended up moving away from the ball instead of trying to recover it). They try to score one more time before half but were unsuccessful. The guy telling me the situation (not a coach on either staff) was furious that the kicking team wouldn't just kick the ball deep. He said it was one of the most unsportsmanlike things he has ever seen at a game.
I then give him my response:
That doesn't really bother me, its still the first half, it wasn't an onside kick, and why not try to get a few more reps for your guys on offense if its going to be a running clock in the second half anyways. I'm a defensive coach and although I would not make that same decision it does not bother me at all that is what ended up happening. The way I look at it is the receiving team should have just recovered the ball then this wouldn't even be a problem.
Also I do not believe it the the offense's job to stop scoring just because they are dominating a team, that is the job of the defense. If you don't want them to score any more, STOP THEM. I've been on the wrong side of those blow out games before and as the DC it is tough but I have never been upset with another coaching staff because of their play calling. Even this year we had a really rough game losing pretty bad 35 to 6 (not all points given up on defense but i digress). Less than a minute to go in the game opponent decides to throw a wheel route which they catch for a touchdown. Other coaches on staff were pissed and upset with me because I wasn't. "If our DB would have done was he was supposed to do in cover 3 then there would be nothing to be mad about" was my response to them.
Needless to say this guy telling me what happened didn't like my response and proceeded to tell me that I am a terrible person because I condone behavior like that.
Sorry for such a long post but what is your take on this situation or ones similar?
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Post by coachZL on Oct 26, 2017 13:31:47 GMT -6
we have had a parent banned from sporting events before. your admin has to have a backbone. Backbone??? Those are real? I've only heard legends of them. I thought they were just some myth.
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Post by coachZL on Oct 26, 2017 9:11:44 GMT -6
I know its not a real option, but whenever our school has had to deal with parents like that I always want to invite them to come out and coach with us.
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Post by coachZL on Oct 24, 2017 11:54:50 GMT -6
I got 2 that were both with the officials 1- Last week we had a defensive holding penalty called on us. I ask the ref on who and what happened. He gives me the number and says "It wasn't actually holding, he rerouted the player on offense and that player fell. It wasn't PI because the ball wasn't in the air but that's illegal. I just didn't know what to actually call it" Apparently you cant reroute WR's any more in high school football. 2- Last year we were playing a team in league that likes to run a lot of RPO. Watching film I notice they have linemen 3+ yards down field when the QB will throw it. I point it out to the refs before the game and show them a couple of the plays. I was then told "Well coach the box actually goes to 3 yards on both sides of the LOS so that's not an ineligible WR down field." I then ask "So on a drop back pass the lineman can drive block a guy as long as he is within 3 yards of the LOS?" Response " No coach, don't be ridiculous." We won that game, and they never threw a flag for ineligible WR down field. I'm just reminded of it because we play them this Friday and they are still doing the same stuff. Maybe I don't understand the rule. 1. Ref is wrong. Should have been no penalty. Surprised he knew it's not PI without ball in the air. We never have a ref smart enough to know that. We get fuked on that all the time. 2. Box does go 3 yards past the LOS. They can legally drive a DL 3 yards downfield on every drop back pass. Sounds like the ref knew the rule but wasn't sure of himself. 2. That's why it was confusing because there were 2 completely different answers and both matter of fact. So why don't more offenses take full advantage of that rule then? It would make LB reads a nightmare to decipher between run and pass. The only time I ever see this is on RPO's.
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Post by coachZL on Oct 24, 2017 10:31:00 GMT -6
I got 2 that were both with the officials
1- Last week we had a defensive holding penalty called on us. I ask the ref on who and what happened. He gives me the number and says "It wasn't actually holding, he rerouted the player on offense and that player fell. It wasn't PI because the ball wasn't in the air but that's illegal. I just didn't know what to actually call it" Apparently you cant reroute WR's any more in high school football.
2- Last year we were playing a team in league that likes to run a lot of RPO. Watching film I notice they have linemen 3+ yards down field when the QB will throw it. I point it out to the refs before the game and show them a couple of the plays. I was then told "Well coach the box actually goes to 3 yards on both sides of the LOS so that's not an ineligible WR down field." I then ask "So on a drop back pass the lineman can drive block a guy as long as he is within 3 yards of the LOS?" Response " No coach, don't be ridiculous." We won that game, and they never threw a flag for ineligible WR down field. I'm just reminded of it because we play them this Friday and they are still doing the same stuff. Maybe I don't understand the rule.
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Post by coachZL on Sept 27, 2017 13:38:10 GMT -6
One of my favorite excuses all time is "Come on coach, its not a game, its only practice." Was it Allen Iverson? The kid thinks he's Iverson. Same kid also told me the fumble he had in the game last week didn't really matter because we were winning and going to win the game anyways. Beyond frustrating.
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Post by coachZL on Sept 27, 2017 11:30:41 GMT -6
One of my favorite excuses all time is "Come on coach, its not a game, its only practice."
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Post by coachZL on Sept 13, 2017 15:33:05 GMT -6
I was always told if we ran a 3-4 we could stop everyone on defense. Apparently the 4-3/4-2-5 only works in college and not high school. I hear stuff like that all the time. "Hey coach if we just ran a 5-2 or a 6-2 no body would be able to run against us ever. There are just too many holes in a 4-3". It drives me crazy.
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Post by coachZL on Sept 12, 2017 10:44:40 GMT -6
Parents that lose their mind when the JV gets blown out once. Our JV was competitive the first two games but got blown out last week. A couple, whose son is the fifth string corner and make excuses for him to miss practice every week, were heckling the coaches saying they don't know how to call an offense and that the QB sucked and when the 18-year-old first year QB coach turned around to look who was screaming they asked him WTF he was looking at and he should turn around and actually do his job as a coach. Next morning dad was waiting in the parking lot for the head varsity coach to tell him that we're extremely talented, we're underachieving and the hallmark of a real program is how good their JV is... ...funny part is we don't have a single guy with an offer and our JV is typically competitive. As The Fresh Prince of Bel Air said "No need to argue, parents just don't understand"
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Post by coachZL on Sept 11, 2017 15:28:10 GMT -6
Then I go into film break down and go over all the plays where it was assignments missed and bad tech.
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Post by coachZL on Sept 11, 2017 15:24:12 GMT -6
I usual approach is hand him the call sheet during the meetings and say "Ok how about you run the show this week?" follow that up with "how do you plan to line up to formations X,y,z this week?" also "What is their bread and butter and what do you plan on running to try and get them out of it?"
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Post by coachZL on Sept 11, 2017 14:40:20 GMT -6
He may not be on your staff right now but everybody knows "that" coach. Chances are if you don't know him, you are him. The defense/offense has played poorly to start the year so this coach knows all the fixes and solutions to get the offense/defense performing to the expectation. The solutions are rarely tech based and almost always has to do with scheme or Player X should move to Position X. When you watch film you notice none of the tech that was supposed to be taught is being used. My question is how do most of you go about handling that coach?
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Post by coachZL on Aug 31, 2017 14:02:10 GMT -6
The OC and I (the DC) get along pretty good. We work well together and like any friends talk a little smack back and forth. So when he says things like this I know its just talking smack but its really fires me up. Last week our team lost 42-28 and to be honest it didn't feel that close. However, we do weekly goals for Offense and Defense (if we accomplish x,y,z we win). So this we one of his goals is 42.5 points. Our head says "I like the half point, getting them ready for Vegas". OC say "no our defense average is 42 per game so We are just trying to score more than that." Its true, they did score 42 against us. However Offense/special teams gave up 14 of those 42. A safety, a Punt Return for TD, 2 point conversion defense stops, and a fumble returned for TD and a failed 2 point conversion (cant say defense stopped them the QB fell after taking the hand off). I know hes just talking smack but things like that get me fired up.
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Post by coachZL on Aug 25, 2017 12:26:37 GMT -6
About 5 years ago we were playing this veer team, we were doing pretty good against them and we are up at half time. During half time our OL coach goes to the ump and our side ref and tells them that #17 on their team is holding our guys almost every other play. As refs do they say they will keep and eye out for it in the second half. Middle of the 3rd quarter comes around and our OL coach is just about loosing his mind every time this #17 commits a hold. The refs come over and tell him to cool it and that they haven't seen anything. The very next play they run the play at us and here comes #17 holding one of our guys as the ball carrier turns up field. After the play finishes #17 is jogging back down the near numbers to the huddle our OL coach yells at him "HEY #17, GUESS WHAT? YOUR A CHEATER!!" Turns back around and doesn't say a word the rest of the game. #17 Looks down at his jersey as if to check what number he is, looks back up shrugs his shoulders and just laughs.
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Post by coachZL on Jul 27, 2017 16:19:42 GMT -6
Getting ready for our 1st home playoff game in years a few years ago. We had an RB coach, was a bit out there. Two stories from that game... He asked to give the pre-game speech. He had driven the 3 hours to our opponent the week before so he could buy one of their team t-shirts. He wrapped the tshirt on a stick, planned to soak it in gas, and light it as the culmination of his speech. A few problems...he used a gas-oil mix, then left it in the field house for 30 minutes before speech time. Kids are gagging, all our eyes are burning, and then it wont burst into flames...the oil made it burn slowly, like diesel, and it gave off a think cloud of smoke, still into the FH. Also, the speech wasnt any good. Fast-forward to 2nd qtr..I had a white board for my OL, used the same one all year, it was kinda treasured by my OL, it was getting ragged by playoffs. I bought a new one for the playoffs, but wanted to make a scene while I could. Just before halftime, I'm just starting me pre-rehearsed speech that ends with me breaking the board, the HC walks up behind me, yells something, and puts his hand thru the board...the OL faces dropped, none more than mine (we still laugh about him unknowingly ruining my speech). We go in to halftime, I strut out of the office with the new board, the OL laugh, it lightens the mood in a close game. 3rd qtr...ineffective on offense, the aforementioned RB coach busts into my OL huddle on the sideline, screaming incoherently, then grabs the NEW whiteboard and Donkey Kong-smashes the thing into smithereens. I still remember my LT staring at it, shoulders drooping with each smash, quietly saying "but...thats our new board...why are you doing that??" That guy made it almost 1 more year...we sucked the next season, he rampaged in the HC's office at halftime on game 9, never stepped foot on campus again "But... Thats our new board..." hahahahahaha
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Post by coachZL on Jul 27, 2017 15:41:54 GMT -6
We post a full depth chart for offense and defense every kid is on at least one of those pages. We also post 2 deep on all special teams and our scout offense and defense. Sometimes the depth charts stay the same all week, sometimes they change once or twice a week. On Thursdays after practice we go through all of the depth charts which is 95% set at that time. Have to save some wiggle room in case a kid decides to do something dumb that gets them in trouble.
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Post by coachZL on Jul 27, 2017 10:01:10 GMT -6
That kid worked his tail off. He's mostly on special teams but does get some of those end of game minutes. Every coach on our staff was surprised when we found out that he ended up making the team. To be fair that was the only time we/I have had that happen.
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Post by coachZL on Jul 26, 2017 15:46:29 GMT -6
Probably already been said somewhere in this thread, and I apologize if I'm being redundant, but refs who ignore the rule book and come up with their own interpretations, or the ones who decide that you're up by enough points and see phantom penalties. We had a call along those lines in one of our games last year. Our TE caught the ball in the end zone, both feet in, and the ref called it incomplete. When we asked him at half time why he called it incomplete his response was "Well, the pass was incomplete because the ball was out of bounds. I saw both his feet in but when I saw the catch, the ball was clearly out of bounds, therefore makes it an incomplete pass." all we did was chuckle, our OC said very calmly "Thanks for your explination but that is wrong" Before the second half started he came over to our sideline and acknowledged that he had made a mistake after talking to the head ref.
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