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Post by gamecock303 on Aug 2, 2021 16:31:08 GMT -6
in SC we have 5 classifications... AAAAA down to A. We just went to 5A a couple of years ago... it cleared up some funky split classifications b/c of football. Based on Average Daily Enrollment from 2020 cycle: 5A is the top 40 teams in 8 regions/conferences. Enrollment from 1303-3093. That largest school is going to split this year... 4A is 40 teams in 7 regions/conferences. Enrollment from 916-1292. 3A is 46 teams in 8 regions/conferences. Enrollment from 514-916. 2A is 40 teams in 7 regions/conferences. Enrollment from 325-557. 1A is 41 teams in 7 regions/conferences. Enrollment from 61-325. When you get into 1A size, there are several tech/charter schools that have some sports but no football (about 9). The numbers I gave are schools that field 11 man football. In the 1A there are 10 schools that field 11 man teams with less than 150 kids in the HS. Most of these are towns that that have had some kind of history... especially a sports history. The link to these numbers can be found here: LINK TThis does NOT include the private/independent league SCISA Those seem like fairly odd groupings. It seems like 4A is so much more homogenously grouped than any of the other groups. 5A and 1A can have teams with 100% (and greater) differences in enrollment facing off, 3A, 2A can get fairly close to that differential. 4A's biggest differential seems to be about 30%. I believe those numbers only refer to the enrollment numbers in grades 9-11. Once you get into the AA and A classes it can get kind of tough to group schools geographically. I coach baseball at a AA school and our closest region opponent is 45 minutes away with the farthest being about 2 and a half hours. There are two AA schools that are about thirty minutes away from us but they are are both in a different region than us. I would guess that outside of each other their average trip for a region game is probably closer to an hour and a half at least.
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Post by gamecock303 on Feb 3, 2021 3:08:58 GMT -6
The relegation model is awful. Really punishes small schools. In CA I was at a school of 1000. Had a great Senior Class, won state championship. We got moved up. The next smallest HS in our class had twice as many kids. (1)And we lost all of our seniors... we got smoked. Another place I was at where we struggled had 2500 kids. They got moved down until they were in a super small classification. Ended up in a "state championship" game against a school with like 600 kids... it's absurd. Best organization IMO: - Split the (2)playoff groupings and chsmpionships by size... this is your level playing field (or as close as it can get at least) - Create different class(es) for (3)private schools. Its not wrong. They're just playing with a different set of rules. i've coached in a private school. I fully support this. - Organize your leagues by (4)competition and geography. Allows you to keep rivalries while still remaining competitive in games. It's ok to play a bigger or smaller school. - Use a points based system for seeding. Perhaps the biggest thing though - (5)instead of relegating big schools until they have success, allow struggling teams to be independent. They can make their own schedules but are ineligible for the playoffs. Allows teams to build but doesn't punish small schools. They call it the "Ovy League" in NJ (which... I do think is unfair to real Ivy league universities and the perception about their quality of football but whatever) pvogel 1-that's kind of what I was supposing at. 2- we did that... kind of. before the most recent restructure, we had 4 classifications. Then 3 of the 4 split for the playoffs with an upper and lower division for 7 total champions. Football was the only sport that did that. 'They' wanted some uniformity so we went to 5 classifications (which we don't have enough school to really make this work well). I'd like to see up go DOWN to 3 classifications and then split for the playoffs (for all sports). This would solve all the complaints different schools have -- travel, size, competitiveness, etc... 3- that's the sticky thing. SC has 2 school leagues; 1 that is completely private and 1 that is MOSTLY public. There are a handful of privates in our league, but all are in the lower classification. The charter schools are the ones that are actually creating this situation more than the privates.... at least for football. 4- that is the 1st criteria now -- size and geography 5- mostly that wasn't SOP for the league, but recently allowed 1 school to play down in football but not be eligible for playoffs/championships. Most of the time this type of request was denied. sorry for errors trying to finish before lunch is over thx The charter schools are like 99% of the issue. No one really cared about the private schools until Bishop England and Christ Church both began having some success in football and even then only a few cared. I don't know about in the upstate but BE has been pretty dominant down here in a lot of the other sports for as long as I can remember, but it wasn't really an issue for most people. Since the charter schools have come onto the scene (3 or 4 in particular) it has become a big issue. The school that I coach baseball at was in the region with one of them prior to the last realignment and outside of football we flat out did not stand a chance against them in most sports. Never mind the demographic differences in the schools (poor rural school vs wealthy suburban school where the kids have much easy access to a variety of different club sports and private trainers), from my understanding the kids at the charter school were only in class for about half of the school day and as a result had more time to practice/lift vs us trying to squeeze in a couple hours of practice after getting out at 4 and getting kids home in time to eat do homework and go to sleep. I'm not sure what the answer is (at least one that won't get all of the pro school choice at any cost politicians all riled up) but something needs to be done. Adding another class can't be the answer, in our current region we are already looking at a minimum of a 45 minute drive to the nearest school.
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Post by gamecock303 on Oct 10, 2020 22:04:02 GMT -6
community.hsbaseballweb.com/ is the closest thing I have found for baseball but it skews more towards parents with questions about recruiting, but there is some good info if you search back far enough. Not an ABCA member so I haven't had a chance to check out any of their stuff, but USA baseball did a series of virtual clinics this spring and summer (replays are available on their youtube channel) that had some really good info. Stick and ball TV also did a series of clinics this spring that had a lot of good info too but Im not sure if those replays are still available without subscribing to their site.
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Post by gamecock303 on Nov 7, 2019 14:09:48 GMT -6
Andrews definitely gets the short end of the stick in this situation, although was what Oceanside did really that big of a deal? I mean I dont see how it was cheating, although obviously it broke the rules. playing JV kids (especially in a 70-0 game, which could have easily been worse) isn't that big of a deal by itself other than the fact that it is breaking the rules that other teams are following. But there are other issues in play here including the fact that this is the second time this year that Oceanside has been caught breaking rules and other teams in the past have been kicked out of the playoffs for playing ineligible players. it is also worth consideration that Oceanside is also not really playing on a level playing field as it is. As a charter school it isn't held to the same attendance zones as the rest of the school and from my understanding their kids only spend like 4 hours a day in class and have the rest of the time to focus on athletics (part of the selling point that the school uses to attract students). They compete in a region with 2 inner city schools, a newer school that has yet to have a graduating class (I believe this year will be their first), and a rural school with a really good football tradition but not a whole lot in the way of resources (at least that was the way it was when I graduated from there, minus the tradition that had not yet been established) and they compete (or should I say choose to compete since they get to cap their enrollment numbers which other schools don't really get to do) in a class that is dominated by rural schools in small towns most of whom have seen jobs leave in droves over the past few decades. Just to give a little more insight into how stacked the deck already is in Oceanside's favor they probably have close to twice the number of kids on their varsity roster than the next biggest team in their region (I've been told they had 22 seniors alone this year while my alma mater probably has between 30-35 kids that dress each week).
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Post by gamecock303 on Nov 6, 2019 23:36:11 GMT -6
Just saw that Northwood OH went 10-0 and won't make the playoffs, can anyone shed some light on the situation? There were 2 10-0 teams that didn’t make it EXTREMELY EXTREMELY rare (maybe the first time it’s happened?) You do see 9-1 and 8-2 teams not get in from time to time. It can be a combination of things. Being in an abnormally strong region and the teams you played not being very good and/or much smaller divisions. Harbins points is a computer system that gives you points for wins, what division the team you beat is, and what the team you beats record is. I know my senior year we got left out for St Ignatius even though we had a better record...we were a little salty but 5 weeks later Ignatius won the state title so it tends to shake out. meanwhile in South Carolina there is a team that is 0-10 that not only made the playoffs but is hosting in the first round (typically the top 4 teams in a region make the playoffs but this region only has 3 teams due to one school closing). and then there is this situation which kept teams from finding out who they were playing until Monday linkI don't remember any other situation where a team in SC has been caught using an ineligible player and been allowed to stay in the playoffs. The offending team in this situation wasn't really punished (in my opinion) outside of a game against a much tougher opponent (their first round opponent who won their region is the team that really gets screwed here) than they would have had. I'd be willing to bet that the fine is pocket change to someone around the program/school and I'm not sure that they would have been allowed to actually host playoff games since the field that they host games at during the regular season is a rec field which might have actual seating for about 250 people. In fact if they manage to win their first round game an argument could be made (at least with what I know about the programs in the effected bracket) that they have an easier path through the rest of the playoffs.
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Post by gamecock303 on Jun 21, 2019 10:48:26 GMT -6
there are at least a couple of companies out there that specialize in reconditioning face masks they can change the color for you. I imagine if you just paint them (even if you take it to a body shop or something) a lot of the paint would end up coming off over the course of the season.
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Post by gamecock303 on Nov 15, 2018 15:21:26 GMT -6
South Carolina has had some ridiculous setups over the years. If I remember correctly when I was a kid the 16 biggest schools in the state got into the playoffs regardless of record, I think at least once this included a win less team.
A few years ago the state was split into 4 classes but had 7 state championship (public school, the private schools have their own system). A, AA, and AAAA were all split into divisions for the playoffs. One year in AA every team made the playoffs, my alma mater got a first round matchup against a team in their region that they played the week before and had scored on the first 5 plays they ran on offense that night. I don't remember what the final score for either game was but it wasn't pretty either time and that was with the backups/JV playing most of both night. Of course they were rewarded by having to travel to another 9-1 team the next week and then in the 3rd round having to travel to face a team that they had beaten badly earlier in the season as well. The team they had to play back to back weeks was in the middle of a stretch of about 2 years of not winning a game.
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Post by gamecock303 on Dec 27, 2017 9:43:44 GMT -6
I’m pretty sure the same thing happened with South Carolina’s QB, I’m not for sure if it’s exactly the same but I know he didn’t go to high school his senior year Yea Bentley skipped his senior year of high school to enroll at Carolina. I think he moved back to the district his dad used to coach at to finish up his coursework over the summer because there was some problem with doing it in Alabama. Of course he was a few months older than the other true freshman QB that Carolina had in 2016.
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