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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Feb 8, 2018 14:38:59 GMT -6
You're looking at it the wrong way. It depends on what you're doing in those 20 hours. If they do the same work you do in 10 but then take an additional 10 to read books, talk with mentors and mentees, watch clinics/drill tape/film/etc they are getting twice as good as you are every day. Everybody gets 24 hours in a day. Your success depends upon how you use the 24. It's a proven psychological fact after 10-12 hours of studying the same series of related things, the human brain will start failing to retain anything. A person who puts in 20 hours of work doesn't get "twice as better" as someone who puts in 10. They sharpen the knife until it's dull and alienate their families. I was wondering what kind of drugs they used to be able to take in information in an efficient matter for 20h. Most be one of those cool cocktails that makes you use more than 10% of your brain as well. Must be real sense I saw it on TV
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Feb 7, 2018 12:23:17 GMT -6
All I can say is that if Pats fires him, it will be hard for him to find another NFL franchise to give him a chance again. There is burning bridges, and then there is napalming the s*** out of those bridges.
Unless he becomes very successful, like Belichick and Parcells, he will always be known as the coach who f***ed over a whole organisation and backed out of his word.
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Jan 30, 2018 11:57:26 GMT -6
Running between drills. I as a coach would always make sure to run to the next drill (became known for it and laughed at at times) which the players in my position group bought into. It helped us with our sense of urgency at practice and focus. Small detail, with huge results. (plus I think I lost around 10 lbs doing this)
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Dec 22, 2017 9:46:36 GMT -6
Congrats!
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Nov 21, 2017 13:47:22 GMT -6
Common place here in England. We play teams twice each regular season, sometimes we can play a team 3 times....and just like happened last year we can and do play teams back to back. not much fun.. In Sweden, thanks to a tournament, we played the same opponent 3 times within the span of 3 weeks. It was an interesting experience.
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Nov 2, 2017 12:12:59 GMT -6
So by mechanics it has to been thrown by either the ump or the white cap. In that situation it should be a tough call for either to throw the flag on since unless it's a sweep going to the outside deep in the backfield, because there should not be a good angle to make that judgement call. So in this case it most have been a VERY good call by a VERY good official with exceptional eyesight in perfect position, or with x-ray vision. What I mean to say it that it's sounds a lot like it could have been one of the calls that were not the best, because that seems to be the most likely situation. Odd to call it a good call without knowing who threw the flag and where they were positioned, it can be compared to the QB throwing into coverage with the receiver ending up with the ball somehow. Might be the right result, but for the wrong reason. I've had sideline officials throwing flags for holding in the back field, umpire throwing flags for late hit out of bounds and even a white cap throw pass interference about 20 yards down field (beautiful throw with the flag though) this season, where the officials during the play left their assignment and thereby leaving part of the playing field unsupervised, which is a problem. Based on the OP this call would likely be made by the Umpire or the white hat. As an umpire, I try to keep track of my linebacker's numbers. I do this to see if they are cut blocked at by a lineman or if they block low on a RB. The white hat does the same with the RBs. As far a who should call what fouls on a field there is a general mechanic of "not fishing in someone else's pond." This usually means that we are not going to throw a flag for a foul for something that is not in our zone. However, there are some things that we will throw flags outside our zone. Usually this related to a safety foul. For example, you mention an umpire throwing a flag for a late hit out of bounds. As an umpire on a play going out of bounds I will be heading towards that area to help retrieve the ball and to clean up while the flank official is getting the spot and moving the players back onto the field. As I am moving towards the sideline I may have a much better view of the foul. Also since this is a safety foul, I am going to throw it. A flank may throw a flag on a holding call because their responsibility on a running play is to watch the blocks occurring in front of the point of attack while the R is watching the ball carrier. As for the R throwing a flag of DPI, I can't explain that. What I mean by pointing out officials giving up on mechanics and like you said "fishing in someone else's pond" is that I've seen them miss violent flagrant fouls that area in their "zone". This has also happened to me when I was ump, upon which the white cap gave me the rightful treatment after the game by chewing me out worse than any coach ever had. So, the ump going to sideline can do so, but first after the whistle is blown and all contact within his/her "zone" has seized. To throw a flag for a late hit he has to turn and give up on the mechanic, or else it should not be late hit but "unnecessary roughness" after the play. And I'm sorry, what the R threw the flag for was within the tackle box, which I should have mentioned. Once again, giving up on his/her mechanic. I have a lot of respect for the officials, but I also expect of them to follow the rules and their function. Just like I expect the coaches to follow their assignments (I have chewed out a DL coach for looking at DB a play instead of his DL and try to coach the DB) I expect the same from the officials.
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Nov 1, 2017 6:25:15 GMT -6
You can tackle a running back who is faking like he has the ball. Sounds like the running back was lead blocking and not faking then he cannot be blocked below the waist. Only players on the line of scrimmage and in the free blocking zone may block and be blocked below the waist. This was a good call by the official. Many officials will miss this type of block because they don't pay attention to who is on the line of scrimmage and who isn't. So by mechanics it has to been thrown by either the ump or the white cap. In that situation it should be a tough call for either to throw the flag on since unless it's a sweep going to the outside deep in the backfield, because there should not be a good angle to make that judgement call. So in this case it most have been a VERY good call by a VERY good official with exceptional eyesight in perfect position, or with x-ray vision. What I mean to say it that it's sounds a lot like it could have been one of the calls that were not the best, because that seems to be the most likely situation. Odd to call it a good call without knowing who threw the flag and where they were positioned, it can be compared to the QB throwing into coverage with the receiver ending up with the ball somehow. Might be the right result, but for the wrong reason. I've had sideline officials throwing flags for holding in the back field, umpire throwing flags for late hit out of bounds and even a white cap throw pass interference about 20 yards down field (beautiful throw with the flag though) this season, where the officials during the play left their assignment and thereby leaving part of the playing field unsupervised, which is a problem.
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Oct 20, 2017 11:18:48 GMT -6
I would talk to the position coaches and have them remind the groups what they have done to prepare to ensure them that they are properly prepared. Best speech I have heard in a situation like that was simply: "The hay is in the barn". We have prepared for the game and are ready.
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Oct 19, 2017 9:55:04 GMT -6
When I started coaching back home in Sweden, we had 29 players for the U17 team. Most had not won a game in their life. We were lucky with having two twin borthers who stepped up and made it cool to work hard, while being the natural leaders on the team. That year we went 4-4, next year we went undefeated.
The biggest difference I saw was that the two twins (TE/OG) together with the other "cool kids" went to the gym and started competing in there. That lead to us becoming the biggest team and became really hard to stop.
So my suggestion: find the natural leaders, focus on getting them to the weight room together with the other cool kids and make it cool to be there competing. Most comes natural once that happens and they start finding their identity as a team. Easier said than done for sure. But that is the way I know to turn it around.
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Oct 16, 2017 13:16:10 GMT -6
From the ones I have spoken with, college and pro coaches have more time to spend watching film ("can you watch more film than we do already?!" was my reaction to that) and it's different. Skip a High School practice, you miss some playing time on Friday, skip college practice and you might have lost a scholarship and in the pro's you loose money.
Plus what people have said above: handling grown men who make more than you and recruiting.
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Oct 10, 2017 9:34:33 GMT -6
Communication is the most important thing. sure he might not be doing what he needs to but you can't go on the assumption that he is tired of the season from hearing from someone else. Gossip like that will break a coaching staff apart real quick if you let it. I would address this with the HC and give him the benefit of a doubt until he tells you something that gives you reason not to.
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Sept 14, 2017 14:13:20 GMT -6
This is where you are wrong. Saving one kid, no matter the race, is better than none. We can teach integrity to our athletes. We can demonstrate integrity to our athletes. And we can expect our athletes to use what they have learned and seen. It is our responsibility to do these things. If not, how will they ever be able to follow team rules. Take the time to teach your athletes to do what's right so that you don't have these incidents occur in the future. This is my post. I don't know where you can't see that I said the future? I'm about to delete this post because it has become so freaking ridiculous. Would be the best thing to do. Sick of this topic already and all that is happening is people banging there heads to the wall and offending each other. Let's delete this and move on is my vote
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Sept 14, 2017 13:12:25 GMT -6
What does that have to do with Laquan Macdonald? Are you saying that if he would still be alive if he had more integrity? Are you really blaming him for his own death? Have you seen the video and read the police testimony? I'm saying that if you want things to change, you have to start with the kids your coaching. Teach them integrity, honesty, to be good husbands and fathers. And when they are the policemen someday, they will make better decisions than to commit crimes and cover up crimes. You can't do anything about what has already occurred. But you can have impact on the future. Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Sept 14, 2017 11:50:15 GMT -6
My main motivation is seeing a video where the brother of a player I coached get gunned down with 7 shots while wearing seatbelt, with his gf's daughter in the back seat that by an act of God's good grace was not harmed. I am a passionate person, but that the cop got away with that and similar acts have been told to us by African Americans since the 1970's but is showing up on the news first after cell phone cameras started recording it. The facts are there but us as a society have been blind to it since the LA riots that was started by a police wrongfully gunning down an African American woman. I believe it is time to listen, not judge and say what to do or not to do. We have done it and it led us here boo hoo. people die everyday Again, are you protesting Law Enforcement policies? Law Enforcement oversight? or some plight of dark skinned Americans? If the former, okay....but that is a ridiculously small portion of actual incidents. If the latter, then be about the self-genocide in every American city. Black males 16-35 are wiping each other out in record numbers every week with violence. A large part of that stems from the fact that we don't reinforce the message that the only way to get ahead in America is through 1) education 2) employment 3) sound financial decisions. That metric is cold, but true of anyone regardless of any demographic they fit in. You can certainly have those opinions or beliefs, but compelling the team to participate (or allowing it) is what is in question. Ok Brophy, it's alright to have difference of opinion, but when you start by writing "Boo Hoo" about somebody being wrongfully killed, you cross the line. You do not deserve my energy and effort, I am really sorry you can't act like a decent person and wish you luck on the rest of your coaching career, and I hope I never have the unfortunate experience of meeting you. I'll pray for you though, because I still believe in the good in people's heart
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Sept 14, 2017 11:32:14 GMT -6
for some white guy to claim that people just need to suck it up and pull themselves up by their own bootstraps because he has heroically and single-handedly saved some black kid from generational poverty and violence is the height of arrogance and audacity. I guess I don't understand what this means. Are you assuming what "race" I am? I'm not sure what you're insinuating, but your ad hominem is clear. IMO its pretty racist to say that anyone with dark skin in America is biologically predisposed for a life of poverty, which from what I'm reading above, is what you're saying. how is this NOT the answer to life? people just need to suck it up and pull themselves up by their own.... are you saying that people shouldn't be responsible for their own lot in life? I'm not suggesting you or coachswede are wrong to feel the way you do or believe what you do. I'm merely questioning motivations and perceptions that lead to those motivations. If you're advocating Law Enforcement reform, then be about that. Is that what teenagers are protesting our pre-game anthem for? Kids feel compelled to disrespect a tradition (it could be team prayer or any other tradition) because they want everyone in attendance to demand that police across the country change the way they pull over drivers? If you're ham-fisting Law Enforcement with other disjointed emotional arguments, I think thats where justification falls apart for kids. Were you on fire about using your football teams for a political statement in 2007? If not, what changed? Certainly the only thing different now is instant social media that can sweep people up into hysterics based on emotional viral videos, regardless of actual historical trends Ultimately, THAT is what "handling this issue" comes down to; examining the motivations for turning your team conduct into political platforms. Are we cool with using our team logo to combat gay rights, pet neutering, fixing city potholes, and whatever other outrage-du-jour we have at the moment? We have it so good in our American society today, people expect to have things easy. The challenge is, that isn't reality. Kids and especially young college-age millennials have been sheltered to believe just by existing they should be entitled to no hardship. Life is imagined as "rolling out of bed into happiness and success". The natural state of things is for you to be dead and broke. It isn't until you do something to fight against that (take action) does that outcome change. People are in poverty because they don't have skills to earn a decent wage, move to a location that does pay them, or aren't smart enough to be financially responsible. If you're broke, do something about it. If you have no skills, do something about it. If you have great ideas but aren't employed, start your own business My main motivation is seeing a video where the brother of a player I coached get gunned down with 7 shots while wearing seatbelt, with his gf's daughter in the back seat that by an act of God's good grace was not harmed. I am a passionate person, but that the cop got away with that and similar acts have been told to us by African Americans since the 1970's but is showing up on the news first after cell phone cameras started recording it. The facts are there but us as a society have been blind to it since the LA riots that was started by a police wrongfully gunning down an African American woman. I believe it is time to listen, not judge and say what to do or not to do. We have done it and it led us here
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Sept 14, 2017 8:30:36 GMT -6
I know people here see me as a snowflake, but it's sounds little excessive with a 2 game suspension. Not sure what actually happened but if the article is accurate with what happened (yeah I know yell to get the players attention could be putting it milder) then it seems too much in my opinion.
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Sept 14, 2017 7:52:21 GMT -6
"ultimatum = a final demand or statement of terms, the rejection of which will result in retaliation or a breakdown in relations." "If you kneel you get benched" sounds pretty much like a great example of an ultimatum to me. that's probably where the disconnect resides; how the world is interpreted. If you see rules and standards not as guideposts but vindictive punishments against your personal freedom of expression, then fight the power, amirite? We are obligated to be representatives of the team, program, school and by extension...the school board. If I, as a coach, use my title as "Coach so-and-so from City High" advocating for teenage strippers, I am performing outside the guidelines expected of me and subject to disciplinary action because I'm ruining the brand of those above institutions. You're going to be frustrated if you chose to be ignorant of the rule in the game of life I see that point of course, I believe though that having the conversation with the kids is more effective than giving them an ultimatum. I believe ignoring it will also be more effective than the same ultimatum. And if you want to advocate for teenage strippers or not, is completely not the point in this discussion. and if the point you were trying to make is that the institution is ruined by players kneeling, how strong is that institution?
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Sept 14, 2017 7:20:42 GMT -6
putting an ultimatum on the kids. there is no "ultimatum" There is a STANDARD players are expected to uphold when they wear the program's jersey; they represent something bigger than their own personal interests. We wouldn't entertain any other political fetish to use our program as a soapbox "ultimatum = a final demand or statement of terms, the rejection of which will result in retaliation or a breakdown in relations." "If you kneel you get benched" sounds pretty much like a great example of an ultimatum to me.
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Sept 14, 2017 6:28:00 GMT -6
I know that I am the exception to the rule in my generation, since I was working at 14, but how many HS kids do you know that can afford buying helmet, shoulder pads, girdle, etc.? Saying the parents can do that is of course fair, but that would turn the sport into hockey basically where only upper middle class and up are prominent. So you're saying that somehow when the gov't takes $ by force away from people, somehow there winds up being more of it to spend on what people want? Where does this magic come from? The Maoist slogan, "Eat from the big pot"? Like somehow there'd wind up being more food for everyone if everyone put theirs into a single pot & ate from it what they wanted? Or are you just justifying taking $ away from people who'd spend it on something else, & spending it instead on football, because that's better? Hmm, now I believe you are putting words in my mouth. Do you believe that taxes are the government stealing from the people? Because then I can understand your point of view, but the difference is that I believe taxes are there for everybody to help pull the society in the same direction. That of course can be because I was raised in a different climate than you which can lead to different points of view. P.S. I hope you know that I am not going for any personal attacks on anyone on this board, if that is how it lands, I apologize for that.
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Sept 14, 2017 6:17:43 GMT -6
Side note: I am not born in America, I am raised in the woods of Sweden essentially. If you believe I can't bring anything to the discussion since I have not lived in the US for longer than I have, I will remove myself from the discussion. so what are you basing any of your "evidence" on if you don't live in an American city? I am at a loss on how we reinforce the intent of competitive athletics, which is self-efficacy of constantly positively improving/contributing, while at the same time placating these wanton attitudes of endless victim-mentality that can only be addressed by further handicapping everyone (i.e. learned helplessness) take a step back from the facebook hysteria and recognize what this attitude feeds... Do these traits sound familiar? This is what we continue to reinforce to this generation and nurturing never-ending discontent, that its everyone else's fault and I'm not responsible for the outcomes in my own lifeI live in Minnesota. I said I was not BORN in or RAISED in the US. I still believe talking and trying to understand the kids is a better option than putting an ultimatum on the kids.
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Sept 13, 2017 13:09:09 GMT -6
Take a look at the “That’s racist!” thread and see if you feel that those kids have a “right” to do that. The kids are doing something that many find extremely offensive on their own time, away from the school and showing no connection to the school or the football team. But they should be tossed from the football team. Now you’ve got kids kneeling during the national anthem – something that many find extremely offensive. And they’re doing it during a school sponsored activity as a representative of the school and the football team. What’s the difference? one is people spreading hate because they believe they are the "superior race" and identifying as a group who hates people because of the color of their skin (which you have teammates with the same skin color they hate), the other is of people protesting against how they are being oppressed as a minority (except the ones who do it just for attention of course).
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Sept 13, 2017 11:42:15 GMT -6
I have definitely been that guy, lol! Now I know that just like Jon Snow, I know nothing.
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Sept 13, 2017 6:11:02 GMT -6
I would talk to the kids, make sure they understand why people are upset with them, let them form in their own words why they are upset or want the attention. I would explain that I will do my best to help them and that I can not understand how they feel because I have never been in their shoes.
If it's police brutality that is the issue, I'd make sure to talk to maybe a retired police officer who would be willing to explain the police side of it and create an intellectual conversation about it.
If I was pressured to make it go away, I'd talk to the coaching staff about ignoring it since the attention feeds the cause so to say. I would ask the coaching staff to play ignorant about what is happening and just say that we are too busy paying our respects during the anthem and didn't notice it.
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Sept 12, 2017 21:31:16 GMT -6
Kap has donated to help the BLM cause. Michael Bennett spends money and time helping low income families from his community by donations, so does his brother. Marshawn Lynch is constantly helping inner city kids in Oakland both by visiting to encourage and donations to their schools. BLM is not exactly the best way to show support. They will never get anything changed. It has to be done at the legislative level. None of these guys want to do that. I don't really approve of them either since I believe they are doing to many things to hurt themselves and their cause, but it is what he believes which means he puts his money where his mouth is. Well, I believe I understand your view better, but I don't agree with it. Which is an improvement in my opinion.
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Sept 12, 2017 13:56:02 GMT -6
I agree! Listen to them. Help them all you can. Be supportive. We've all done those things and will continue to do so. Somebody suggested addressing the grievances in some other way, like a school club or whatever... Just do not take a knee during the playing of our country's national anthem while you are wearing the football uniform of our school. How do you think they will react when faced with that ultimatum? Will they be open to a dialogue or feel that they are being pressured?
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Sept 12, 2017 13:54:31 GMT -6
If you compare Caucasian American that lives in a two parent household to African American from two parent household, is that still true then? tothehouse: So we decide how somebody feeling oppressed protests? Doesn't that take away the meaning of the protest and lead down a pretty slippery slope? Do you believe we also should ban burning of crosses, making Nazi gestures and associating with the KKK? If you do, I respect your point, otherwise I believe in my own opinion that it can be handled better. I also believe that if you try to ban this way of protesting, the people who wants to protest will find another way. They are choosing to kneel because it is getting attention. Kap is never playing in the NFL (I believe he was a mediocre quarterback that would be out of the league on 2 years either way because of the way he plays), but thanks to all the attention he is getting from people getting upset with him, he is achieving his goal. Media danced to his tune and I believe he is as happy as a cucumber. No, they're choosing to kneel because they are selfish. If these pro athletes wanted to make a difference they would use their platform and money to make a difference. But no, that takes to much effort and money from them. They don't want too actually make a difference. Why do they need to call attention to it when it is already known. There taking a knee will not change a thing. However, if they were to use their money and platform it would be much more beneficial to their movement. Kap has donated to help the BLM cause. Michael Bennett spends money and time helping low income families from his community by donations, so does his brother. Marshawn Lynch is constantly helping inner city kids in Oakland both by visiting to encourage and donations to their schools.
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Sept 12, 2017 13:38:16 GMT -6
So before this gets locked... What's wrong with having expectations for a kid to be part of a team? What happens when the kid decides to protest your play calling by changing plays? Or just do their own thing when they are out there because they don't agree with what you are teaching? Like I said earlier I find nothing wrong with asking a kid to respect something we do as a team. Where do you draw the line with what you expect them to do and not complain about their actions later? That is the reason I believe an open discussion is best and not banning taking a knee, because then it will lead to another way of protesting. Maybe the way you said about changing the plays, or taking a knee during a play. Does it hurt to do what I believe most of them wants us to do, listen to them?
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Sept 12, 2017 13:33:46 GMT -6
Well, people of African decent earn on average a better wage in the EU, even in nations that have a lot of bigotry like France, Spain and Italy. I love living here in the US, but I can tell you that the issues America has with racial profiling I have not seen in neither Sweden or Germany where I have lived before. The US is a great nation, but if you can't admit it's flaws it's hard to improve. As football coaches, that is a reality we all face, right? That's a way bigger issue than just racism though. We have our issues but I don't think we're going backwards as a society. Americans of African decent that lives in a two parent household has a lower chance of living in poverty than white Americans. If you compare Caucasian American that lives in a two parent household to African American from two parent household, is that still true then? tothehouse: So we decide how somebody feeling oppressed protests? Doesn't that take away the meaning of the protest and lead down a pretty slippery slope? Do you believe we also should ban burning of crosses, making Nazi gestures and associating with the KKK? If you do, I respect your point, otherwise I believe in my own opinion that it can be handled better. I also believe that if you try to ban this way of protesting, the people who wants to protest will find another way. They are choosing to kneel because it is getting attention. Kap is never playing in the NFL (I believe he was a mediocre quarterback that would be out of the league on 2 years either way because of the way he plays), but thanks to all the attention he is getting from people getting upset with him, he is achieving his goal. Media danced to his tune and I believe he is as happy as a cucumber.
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Sept 12, 2017 13:21:13 GMT -6
I believe that Admin will agree me on this: This is a heated discussion with a lot of feelings are this issue. Can we agree to be civilized and not use derogatory terms. This is an important issue, I believe that if we stick to facts and be respectful it will be a lot easier and more productive for us all.
I can understand if you believe the player just wants attention it's wrong, I believe so as well. But if they can say: "this is why I'm taking a knee" you can actually have a productive discussion that both you and the player can learn from.
We are all here to get better as coaches, let's put that above anything else.
Side note: I am not born in America, I am raised in the woods of Sweden essentially. If you believe I can't bring anything to the discussion since I have not lived in the US for longer than I have, I will remove myself from the discussion.
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Sept 12, 2017 13:07:06 GMT -6
first of the usage of the term "snowflake" is so stupid it takes away every point you are making. Of course you can support what Kap is doing if you see police brutality, racism and systematic mistreatment of African Americans in this nation. A mistreatment the rest of the world thinks is odd and sees America as a racist nation thanks to. How are they disrespecting their community, if you don't mind me asking? It always puzzles me when people say that. Kap is wrong and deserves what is happening to him. Instead of using his platform as a professional player to educate and get legislation moving to address these issues. Instead, he takes a knee and dishonors every person that has ever taken the Oath to defend our country. A lot of good it has done for him or the social injustice. The same goes for the ones that are doing it this year. As far as disrespecting their community, the school represent's the community. The school's team represent's the school. The team then represent's the community. Thus taking a knee show's that the team disrespects the community members that are serving and have served. I understand the schools relationship to the community, but where does the taking of the knee become disrespectful? is it the message behind it or the act?
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