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Post by tog on Apr 15, 2024 19:24:51 GMT -6
only take right before the season
otherwise, bail
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Post by tog on Apr 10, 2024 21:13:59 GMT -6
Yes, I think it absolutely makes a difference. And, it creates a spectrum of advantages, depending on the team your playing. Some DCs will be smart and make small adjustments to their base in order to defend you. That's still an advantage as they might only have to install Robber 2 to deal with you but that's still an investment in practice time. And, it's moving them and their kids out of their comfort zones. Other DCs will go full-grab bag and install something completely alien to the kids in 2-3 days. This is obviously a huge advantage, for a variety of reasons. full scale triple option changes this imho if they don't understand, they are screwed
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Post by tog on Apr 8, 2024 16:46:52 GMT -6
Agreed, I'd make the argument that no system is so complex that a decent coach couldn't learn it and make it work if he was trying to implement something that would set his team apart from the others in his area For example, a guy who wanted to switch to the wing-t could post a handful of times on this site, read 2 books, go to 1 clinic, and have more than enough info to put the system in What we do is not rocket science disagree to a point understanding the idea and skills etc, sure understanding howto fix stuff, or even recognizing what is wrong or just slightly off, takes time and experience, it took us a full year to feel like we knew this stuff, and that was with a 30 year coach from Kenny Wheaton coaching tree on staff with us. (my mentor in flexbone)
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Post by tog on Apr 8, 2024 16:41:49 GMT -6
Lets discuss this hypothetical..... Is it better to be different at something you only know the basics of? Something that is new to you that you are willing to learn, but are not an "expert" at like the single wing or shotgun double wing. or Run something you know the ins and outs of really well, but you do not have the players to beat alot of the teams that you have to play because they are simply better than you? Like a generic 10/11 personnel offense. I think that you have to ask yourself this: Is this situation permanent? Is there a reason that your school has, and will have for the forseeable future, fewer players and lesser athletes than your opponents or is it just a short-term trend (Which is why you're the new coach in the first place)? great answer, we knew we couldn't compete, so we ate the time in learning it because we were cruisin for a bruisin running standard spread stuff
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Post by tog on Apr 8, 2024 16:39:38 GMT -6
Lets discuss this hypothetical..... Is it better to be different at something you only know the basics of? Something that is new to you that you are willing to learn, but are not an "expert" at like the single wing or shotgun double wing. or Run something you know the ins and outs of really well, but you do not have the players to beat alot of the teams that you have to play because they are simply better than you? Like a generic 10/11 personnel offense. I had to learn flexbone ,
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Post by tog on Apr 7, 2024 22:35:27 GMT -6
I believe it does, but not just with the schemes. We do a lot of things different than the norm and it hasn’t hurt us as a program. People not thinking outside the box and being a cookie cutter “that’s how we have always done it” is a loser mentality. Just my two cents totally agree
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Post by tog on Apr 7, 2024 18:34:36 GMT -6
I've coached in a conference for the last 7 years that has routinely had every offense under the sun represented (Wing T, Power T, spread to run, spread to pass, single wing, veer/mid-triple...we've seen it all, good and bad). So from our perspective, everyone is different so that's nothing new. I think the point above really resonates that you need to be good at what you coach and you probably also need good athletes. The same could be said for the defensive side of the ball. We had two teams in our conference that were pretty committed to running cover 0 and packing the box - one was a real PITA because they had tough, high effort, aggressive kids and they could play passable man coverage, the other couldn't cover worth a damn and as such were pretty easy to beat. I will say that we made a commitment a few years back to "be different" on special teams, and it has helped us produce a lot more explosive plays in that realm. I will continue to advocate for that anywhere I coach. do that on o and st in dfw and you have a chance
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Post by tog on Apr 7, 2024 18:30:00 GMT -6
Which coaches on here have chosen to be "different" schematically - either offensively, defensively, or both - to try to gain an edge or at least be competitive with teams on their schedules? great topic YES, our first drive in the flexbone almost always moved the chains and scored points, they just simply can't simulate the speed of the dives and from then on, they just have not seen it and don't know how to defend it soundly
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Post by tog on Apr 6, 2024 0:21:51 GMT -6
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Post by tog on Mar 4, 2024 21:53:43 GMT -6
It's cheating. The same as "pushing the boundaries" by sending offensive lineman downfield on RPOs because the officials in HS can't keep up with the 3 yard rule. And the same as telling your offensive linemen to be more aggressive holding and telling your DBs and WRs to be more aggressive on pass interference when you know you have a crew who will let em play... it's the same as hippo ol standing straight up holding on "rpos"
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Post by tog on Mar 4, 2024 21:02:11 GMT -6
it is awesome push the boundaries and be different than all the cookie cutter stuff It's cheating. The same as "pushing the boundaries" by sending offensive lineman downfield on RPOs because the officials in HS can't keep up with the 3 yard rule. yet that is cool and ok lol
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Post by tog on Mar 4, 2024 21:00:34 GMT -6
thesuperstations.podbean.com/e/the-bill-shanks-show-paul-johnson-interview-22324/a great talk with a good dude and great coach talks about how stupid coach that came after talked {censored} like an assholle gives props to the new coach 27.00 talked about erk russell and him moving up, great stuff 29 talks aboutmoving up to college ol coach and then secondary coach in college, great stuff, takes a gig for 12k great stuff coached dl, going fishin with erk, great stuff,, stay and be my oc, in the i, general offense greatness here in the story coach we want to run some double slot with tracy ham, and option stuff,, then wow, beat folks to win the nc in 85 hambone, great stuff paul went on to hawaii,then came back, great shittt, then back to erk great stuff, erk told him to coach qb's and coach the team, then he went on to success, great stuff, then 38 in. talking about scoops, and the offense, also had lots of players that wanted to play in it, and great wrs that could block, omg , 1985 national champ game 485 yards hawaii, shitload of passing yards, hmm, goood at 3rd and long offense, hmm, what offense is good with that? hmm practicing against option,,,,hmmmm we neve had problems when at gasouthern, we had dudes,,, and it isn't like we practiced much against themin the option stuff, duhhhh wecouldn't get those dl and if you were going to play against teams, with that, let's cut that down by the offense we ran hmmmm this is a great discussion about general offense
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Post by tog on Mar 4, 2024 18:18:12 GMT -6
DLS cadence is Down Set Hit But it is more like Down..... SetHIT The snap is on HIT but they move on Set When we coached against them, we had our DL go on Set haha In practice, the scout OL and DL were engaged before the ball was snapped constantly... It helped and neither team ever got called haha There are multiple instances of players already being engaged before the snap in the Liberty Hill video too. I think it is a little bush league to be honest. it is awesome push the boundaries and be different than all the cookie cutter stuff
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Post by tog on Mar 4, 2024 18:16:32 GMT -6
like others said
depends on the use
for ol? mod
for dl and defensive stuff, lev
best mix, crowther
I like big heavy bags better really, like harding uses, have to stay low to drive them for ol
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Post by tog on Mar 4, 2024 18:12:29 GMT -6
can we get a link please?
great topic for general offense
if whatever tier school wants to win, then option is the way if they really care about winning
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Post by tog on Feb 27, 2024 20:18:06 GMT -6
Had a great opportunity to speak on the Mind of a Football Coach Podcast last night. Dropped the site in the first 5 minutes! podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coaches-roundtable/id1253750485?i=1000645179496Thanks to all of you who have made this site so awesome and all the friends I've made over the years finally meeting some of you in-person after being what my wife calls, "internet boyfriends". Too many of you to try to hit you all, so I won't try to tag people. Love this site and it's been a lot of fun in the last 18 years I've been on the site (I just looked and I registered TODAY, Feb-13 way back in 2006). Just listened to all of it. Enjoyed it!! how can one listen on other than apple device?
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Post by tog on Feb 27, 2024 18:57:19 GMT -6
I am curious...why did you chose Coaching as your profession, and what is your purpose for Coaching? I just totally dug doing massive loads of laundry and then putting it into hard to open lockers but really after law school, uggh, I thought, who would I like working with, coaches, who isn't an asssshole because they just don't know better, kids ok, let's do this oh, and I still loved the intellectual exercise of football and being an oc
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Post by tog on Feb 27, 2024 18:52:28 GMT -6
the last 18 years I've been on the site that.....that CANT be right that said, any coach wanna trade some 1998 Nebraska WR drills VHS film via media mail? I'll be on the Huey whiteboard on Tuesday night it was a long time ago in my mother in law's basement when I reached out to the networks to get this rolling, huey did all the tech stuff and did it well
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Post by tog on Feb 17, 2024 21:09:05 GMT -6
made me even less of a kelce fan
his antics in the game before, just a tool
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Post by tog on Feb 17, 2024 21:07:31 GMT -6
explain
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Post by tog on Feb 17, 2024 21:07:08 GMT -6
Had a great opportunity to speak on the Mind of a Football Coach Podcast last night. Dropped the site in the first 5 minutes! podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coaches-roundtable/id1253750485?i=1000645179496Thanks to all of you who have made this site so awesome and all the friends I've made over the years finally meeting some of you in-person after being what my wife calls, "internet boyfriends". Too many of you to try to hit you all, so I won't try to tag people. Love this site and it's been a lot of fun in the last 18 years I've been on the site (I just looked and I registered TODAY, Feb-13 way back in 2006). very cool
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Post by tog on Jan 29, 2024 21:54:27 GMT -6
just a heads up
this all still applies
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Post by tog on Jan 27, 2024 19:29:01 GMT -6
in 30 years in texas
1 qb in the nfl currently 1 qb hybrid athlete that ended up as a wr in the nfl 1 nfl dt that is now a dl coach in the league 2 cfl dl players 5 d1 power 5 ol, 1 with a nfl cup of coffee at least 10 dbs in various fcs schools at least 10 ol in various fcs schools
1 wr kid that played fullback for us and caught like 200 balls in two years from the nfl qb kid on power pass over 2 years, he had a "list of people I want to kill" I found it, and thought, this is the perfect fullback for the power counter I offense my hc wanted, he cut folks in half on duo and then caught a ton of passes off of it, played slot in d1 college
1 250 lb fb kid we had to move to ol due to injuries, played h back in fcs 6 wr fcs kids 2 fcs te kids 1 rb at fcs , best athlete I ever coached, but injuries curtailed his career, would have been an nfl player for sure, 6'2" 225lbs and 4.5 kid, great kid and family too
countless d3 and other level kids of all positions, at least 6 rbs, 10 more ol, 4 or 5 dl, 3 lbs, 7 db's
about 15 of them became coaches, the nfl qb kid will be a coach someday also, probably in the league unless he wants to take over a college team
the funny thing is to me, most of the time, we were out athleted by a wide wide margin against all we played against my entire career, by a wide margin
glad to have coached all of them, and the others that were talent gapped, the talent gapped kids learned probably more about life and that is what I proud of
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Post by tog on Jan 20, 2024 18:30:16 GMT -6
royal was a racist ahole I have friends dad's that played for him I don't know what this stuff has to do with integrity or "prime" I was simply pointing out that if wanted to start attacking the character of individuals, and saying that integrity means stuff, I am pretty sure that several if not many on the "Mount Rushmore" of college football coaching might have been a part of actions more questionable than excusing players (who happen to be sons) from a mid year introductory team meeting to attend a business opportunity given the current emphasis on personal branding in college athletics. I get that you have issues with Prime Prep. From what I have read on the subject, Sander's biggest blunder was lending his name to something he really had no clue about (somewhat similar to Lebron James and the school he sponsored's dismal academic performance). I am sure he was overzealous regarding pursuing athletic achievements- but that doesn't seem terribly unique. What was unique was his fame. when you have moms and kids tell you about how he did them and their education yeah I have a problem with him the way he did colorado players? just an extension of the same thing, the only thing he cares about is himself low integrity imho
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Post by tog on Jan 20, 2024 17:37:42 GMT -6
integrity means stuff even now Coach, did integrity mean stuff "back then" when coaches such as Royal, Bryant etc. worked to keep their programs and other programs from being integrated until it became painfully obvious that it would benefit them? Or is that not considered the same? royal was a racist ahole I have friends dad's that played for him I don't know what this stuff has to do with integrity or "prime"
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Post by tog on Jan 19, 2024 22:19:43 GMT -6
I remember flatback ol play
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Post by tog on Jan 19, 2024 20:10:16 GMT -6
anyone that thinks how "coach" prime treated his players at cu with any integrity, lol
even though the tines have changed,, so what? integrity matters
he has none
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Post by tog on Jan 18, 2024 19:21:53 GMT -6
fuckkkk california in every way except the beauty and climate but that is {censored} up Living in Illinois you get all the stupid policies of California, without the scenery and weather. It's fantastic... i can't even comment any more
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Post by tog on Jan 18, 2024 19:20:39 GMT -6
really? if my college "coach"allowed this, we would have all hated those guys and with today's rules left in a heartbeat because the "hc" has zero integrity Yes really? Again, if you tell me that Sanders excused these two players (his sons) and told other players "No way, your butt better be in the seat 5 minutes early" then I would say that's pretty screwed up. I haven't heard that was the case. They didn't miss a work out, they didn't miss a practice. AS was stated earlier, they had an opportunity to do something pretty unique and they did it. Keep in mind, your college days are 100% irrelevant coach. In the present day, 5 of the last 7 Heisman Trophy winners were transfers. It is a different time man. I am not going to prejudge and crap on a guy because he is steering INTO trends that ran Saban out. integrity means stuff even now
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Post by tog on Jan 18, 2024 17:39:03 GMT -6
Why? Because it is a fashion event? What if the two players in question instead were on say the Tonight Show? Or Playing piano with the London Symphony Orchestra? And what is disgusting about flat out saying "Hey, you want to be like pros... then do it like the pros do?" Not sure if it will work or not, but I don't see this as reprehensible. really? if my college "coach"allowed this, we would have all hated those guys and with today's rules left in a heartbeat because the "hc" has zero integrity
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