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Post by fantom on Mar 22, 2024 10:34:19 GMT -6
It just occurred to me that, now that it's legal to pay players the Southwest Conference may be back.
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Post by fantom on Mar 20, 2024 19:27:01 GMT -6
You’re in favor of the rule? I like the modified kick off approach I think that hip-drop should be illegal for the same reasons that horse-collar tackles are illegal. I always thought that the hip drop was made the horse collar dangerous.
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Post by fantom on Mar 20, 2024 15:26:05 GMT -6
I keep hearing that "flag football" stuff but I don't see anything particularly tough about dropping your body weight on the back of a guy's legs.
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Post by fantom on Mar 19, 2024 15:42:59 GMT -6
Maybe it's because I was used to it but I preferred having the longer break between practices.
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Post by fantom on Mar 15, 2024 21:20:40 GMT -6
We did 2-a-days-8 AM and 5 PM- and we had reasons:
1. We didn't platoon. Everybody initially had two positions.
2. Distance wasn't an issue.
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Post by fantom on Mar 15, 2024 13:45:35 GMT -6
Do you realize you responded to a thread from 2014 (almost ten years ago)? Not that there's anything wrong with that, it did elicit some replies. Also, posting a big block of text like you did without paragraphs is very difficult to read, especially white font on black background. Break your posts up into paragraphs so they can more easily be read please. Don't call it an oldie. Call it a "classic". Nothing wrong with reviving a good discussion.
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Post by fantom on Mar 15, 2024 13:08:06 GMT -6
I can't get past the fact that he'd be the kicker and punter. If it wasn't for that keeping him on JV would be an easy decision. Kickers/punters are important, though. Punters change starting field position. Kickers score points. They're important.
Since this is now strictly a hypothetical I think the decision comes down to two things:
1. How good do you expect the varsity to be? If you think you'll be mediocre to poor, if you're just building, he's a JV. If you're a contender you need to be firing on all cylinders which means that you need a K/P.
2. If he's not kicking do you have a competent replacement?
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Post by fantom on Mar 13, 2024 14:46:10 GMT -6
To give you an example of the difference. I am the HC of a small 2a school in NC, about 10 minutes from SC border. I am on an 11 month contract and receive a supplement of just over 5K. Just over the border in SC, there is a small 2a school similar size to us. That currently has an opening for HC. That HC will make about 30K more than I currently do. I read last week that three successful coaches in southern NC just took jobs in SC.
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Post by fantom on Mar 13, 2024 11:35:32 GMT -6
If you took 1000 from every district assistant superintendent and director of this/that, you could pay for it easily. Even if that was true the odds of that happening are about equal to them getting the money by winning Powerball.
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Post by fantom on Mar 13, 2024 10:36:42 GMT -6
I don't think that anybody on a football coaches' forum is going to argue that we don't deserve more money. As the philosopher William Munney said, though, "Deserve's got nothing to do with it". This bill looks like a half-a$$ed scheme that seems to leave some open questions. 1. It's going to cost a lot of money. Besides football it calls for big raises for coaches in other sports. Where's it coming from? Maybe the answer is in the bill and was just left out of the article but I kind of doubt it. 2. Is somebody going to keep track of the hours? How? somewhere in the article they say the schools/school districts have to figure how to pay the coaches That says who's supposed to pay it. It doesn't say how they're supposed to get the money.
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Post by fantom on Mar 12, 2024 12:21:41 GMT -6
I don't think that anybody on a football coaches' forum is going to argue that we don't deserve more money. As the philosopher William Munney said, though, "Deserve's got nothing to do with it". This bill looks like a half-a$$ed scheme that seems to leave some open questions.
1. It's going to cost a lot of money. Besides football it calls for big raises for coaches in other sports. Where's it coming from? Maybe the answer is in the bill and was just left out of the article but I kind of doubt it.
2. Is somebody going to keep track of the hours? How?
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Post by fantom on Mar 11, 2024 20:12:33 GMT -6
When I played in the late '60s everybody showered no matter how light the workout and everybody wore a jock. I never wore a cup and I don't think anybody did.
I don't know when wearing jocks and showering stopped being a thing but I know that it's been over 20 years.
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Post by fantom on Mar 11, 2024 14:38:21 GMT -6
Where is the money supposed to come from?
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Post by fantom on Mar 10, 2024 18:52:16 GMT -6
I know technology changes but when did kids stop wearing cowboy collar, forearm pads, jockstraps /cups? Heck, nowadays showering after practices is not common from what I have heard, many shower rooms are now storage for old gear haha. At least I never got to experience salt tablets!
Went to a poorer school so we wore what we got and it was outdated but still worked but now it seems most programs and preferences have shifted. Also couldn't imagine getting into my mom's van back then without showering. Axe and heavy sweat is a WMD!
Any other similar shifts y'all have seen? Would imagine the longer one has coached the more changes you've seen.
Can't speak about the collars but I know why the forearm pads went away. Around 1980, give or take, forearm pads started phasing out after hand blocking was legalized. It eventually dawned on people that forearm shivers got you too close to blockers and gave them something to grab onto.
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Post by fantom on Mar 7, 2024 15:49:52 GMT -6
C'mon men. When you get right down to brass tacks there is only ONE common denominator that has created this entire F'ing mess. GREED! For the love of Mike it has come down to just that! Used to be it was about the team, the team, the team. Not anymore. Our sport is hemorrhaging because the word "WE" has been replaced by too much I, ME, MINE. The networks and their lure of money have contributed greatly to this whole picture because of THEIR OWN greed! Entertainment = GREED. Super Conferences = GREED. Playoffs = GREED. Transfer Portal = GREED. NIL = GREED. Coaches in today's world are dealing with a complete different kind of animal, and older coaches like Saban aren't willing to put up with it and are getting out because of it. I would venture to guess that guys like PJ would be included in that group. Longevity in being a college head football coach has always been tough, but now...likely aren't going to see many (if any) of those guys anymore. I think you can add Coaching Greed into it as well, and how much a Coach is willing to sell his soul for money or wins beside his name. With the "your only as good of a coach as your record" mindset from society and some of our peers, Coaches are willing to do Whatever It Takes to try and get the win column much higher than the losing collum. It's only a different type of animal now cause people don't have to hide anymore about paying players. It does make it harder to fault players when coaches are paid millions and jump contracts.
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Post by fantom on Mar 7, 2024 11:51:09 GMT -6
Keep in mind M4 that the television numbers are current. Many here are talking about what may happen in the future, should college football become football teams licensing college colors and mascots. my point is that's a lot of people who have to say f-this before college football even feels a pinch and the NFL went thru this years ago with FA and the salary cap and yet people watch that] MLB just went thru an intensive rule change that fundamentally changed the game for many "traditional" aka old fans national numbers are down but regional game numbers are up, some teams were down (teams losing all the time, that happens every year, losing teams numbers dwindle in july) but many regional networks went WAY up compared to previous years NFL officiating is the worst its ever been perceived, super bowl numbers thru the roof why would people watch college ball if it becomes NFL light? because it's on during football season and there's an emotional attachment to the bama or texas or michigan helmet big difference then triple A or double A baseball where nobody outside of Pawtuckett ever connected with that local team, there's 100 years of built in tradition that will continue to pass people watch sports... sports change... people complain about sports... sports keep being played... people keep watching sports I saw those baseball numbers and it reminded me about something about college football. A lot of college football fans just watch a good game but a lot only care about THEIR team's game. As large as the viewership for OSU-Michigan may have been, a lot of people were watching another channel where Wake Forest, San Diego State, or Syracuse were playing. Some of the people watching OSU were watching on phones while they were sitting at their alma mater's game. Maybe what's happening will be a mash-up of the NFL, with the super league acting that part for the media, and the rest being the regional MLB. Is that really a helluva lot different than the way things are and really have been? Go back and look at the AP Top 20 from 20, 30, 50 years ago and it doesn't look much different from today's.
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Post by fantom on Mar 6, 2024 9:56:02 GMT -6
Theres a hundred thousand people sitting in multiple stadiums each weekend watching games you're telling me they will all suddenly stop watching because their team a) gets more better players going to the nfl and b) plays more games against better teams (no more vandy, no more East North West State FCS)? I find that hard to believe I think most of this talk is older dudes who don't like it, the old "get off my lawn" approach Maybe they're fans of Vandy.
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Post by fantom on Mar 5, 2024 20:43:11 GMT -6
I don’t know if I would consider roster management the definition of pure football. But it is the level apparently with the most cohesive roster management program. In the NFL there's a division of labor. GM's and other execs deal with roster management. Coaches coach.
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Post by fantom on Mar 3, 2024 20:47:09 GMT -6
The 40 year head start is EXACTLY why it is easier now more than ever. I am not saying easy or doable. Easier. Just saying there is one factor that now outweighs all other factors by a mile. Factors like coaching, facilities, tradition, conference, being on tv, ability to compete for championships, etc. all still matter. But pale in comparison to just paying a kid more than another school will. If for some reason Elon Musk decides to be a Georgia Tech mega fam and spend 1 billion on the best players for them, they will be the greatest team of ALL TIME next year. I understand what you are saying, but I disagree, because that 40 year Headstart was to specifically develop the institutions and culture that exist right now that have them in the position that they are in. It ISN’T about the money. It is about having created a culture where those others are willing to bankroll a professional sports team that is loosely affiliated with a University. Saying that “Elon Musk could go bankroll GA Tech and they would be the greatest team ever” isn’t really a thing anymore than saying “if an alien with superhuman powers was secretly living among us and enrolled at GA tech they could have the best season in history”. Also, not really sure what this conversation/thread has to do with General Offensive football. It has nothing to do with it and never did so I moved it.
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Post by fantom on Mar 3, 2024 13:19:41 GMT -6
I still don’t think it’s the case that it’s necessarily any easier for other programs as “the big boys“ have had a 40 year head-start since the NCAA versus board of regents of Oklahoma University to build a foundation and cultivate a culture where groups of people are willing and excited to bankroll a sport that is associated with a university Also, the current landscape is very much like an industry, with weak antitrust laws in which the largest competitors will simply take the assets of smaller upstarts The 40 year head start is EXACTLY why it is easier now more than ever. I am not saying easy or doable. Easier. Just saying there is one factor that now outweighs all other factors by a mile. Factors like coaching, facilities, tradition, conference, being on tv, ability to compete for championships, etc. all still matter. But pale in comparison to just paying a kid more than another school will. If for some reason Elon Musk decides to be a Georgia Tech mega fam and spend 1 billion on the best players for them, they will be the greatest team of ALL TIME next year. If it was only about money a lot of schools could be football powers. Harvard has more money that anybody.
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Post by fantom on Mar 2, 2024 22:25:38 GMT -6
They won't, and so will a bunch of others. A reckoning is coming to a large number of collegiate football programs that will affect their entire athletics department, and universities in general. Agree with this. I think 30-40 of the schools with serious money will form their own league, construct rules regarding paying players, etc. Call it Tier 1 for the sake of this. Where does that leave everyone else? The most lucrative TV deals will go to Tier 1, creating a further strain on those below Tier 1 since they can no longer reap the benefits of being in the same conference/TV deal with Bama, Ohio St, Texas, etc. This lack of revenue will lead to slower facility improvement, lower coaching salaries and less money for NIL, all of which will lead to a lesser quality product, which will drive revenue down. This will trickle down to all levels of the NCAA as it could get to a point where universities cannot afford to fund the full allotment of scholarships, which forces them to make tough decisions about the future of their athletics program. Do they go D2 and have a lower scholarship burden? Do they go D3 and do away with athletic scholarships all together? The scary part is what happens to other athletic programs and areas of the school when football (and other revenue producing sports) can't foot the bill? I really do think there will be a Tier 1 league created in the not-so-distant future, and those left out will have to get creative to survive. Following the MLB model of regional sports networks is a viable option, as national interest will wain outside of the Tier 1 league. It will be interesting to see how things play out. I think if you were to fall asleep now and wake up in 20 years, the landscape of college athletics would be unrecognizable. Maybe we older guys will recognize it because, outside of the super league, it'll look like what it mostly looked like until fairly recently. There's nothing wrong with coaches being paid well but not millions. Having facilities that are good and functional instead of extravagant wouldn't end the world. I for one, would love to see games being enjoyed for their own sake instead of as a step toward a playoff berth.
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Post by fantom on Mar 2, 2024 13:07:26 GMT -6
At some point when an "old-school" coach retires, and he hears the trashing of what garnered his success, he tires of being "above board", and with nothing to lose he finally speak his mind. Good for him! Sure, many coaches say Coach Johnson was tough to work for, but I would bet numbers of coaches would also say that guys like Saban were also tough. Success for GT football was spotty at best. Prior to Coach Johnson Chan Gailey brought glimpses of it back, but it was Coach Johnson who woke up the echoes of the days of Bobby Dodd. Hopefully Brent Key can restore of some of that Johnson magic. The question is how does GT (And a lot of other schools that presently belong to Power 5 conferences) fit into the emerging model of D.1 football?
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Post by fantom on Feb 26, 2024 12:27:03 GMT -6
I am curious...why did you chose Coaching as your profession, and what is your purpose for Coaching? Wish I could say something noble but the fact is that I loved football and realized that there was no professional future for an unathletic linebacker or a 5'9" lineman.
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Post by fantom on Feb 16, 2024 12:05:17 GMT -6
Bob, your stated objective is to use this system to impress the league leadership into giving you a head coaching job. I don't think that'll happen. I think that they'll see your system as far too complicated for kids who, after all, only want to have fun playing football. They don't need more homework.
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Post by fantom on Feb 15, 2024 15:12:14 GMT -6
Reason #4: you let the best DL for KC go unblocked while faking a sweep play opposite of him with the game on the line. Reason #5...all of the above reasons are not the responsibility of your DC, but you fire him after the game. Actually, #4 is.
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Post by fantom on Feb 14, 2024 11:44:44 GMT -6
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Post by fantom on Feb 14, 2024 11:33:21 GMT -6
I'm not sure if Reid gives two chitburgers about much other than winning. And he shouldn't. In professional sports the only things that count are winning and making money in whatever order the team owner prefers.
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Post by fantom on Feb 13, 2024 10:44:20 GMT -6
NFL is a different animal... the higher you go, the closer it is to a peer-peer relationship in my opinion. I think it is one of the reasons why a guy like Saban was better fit for the College model. More of a subordinate-type relationship with the players. I don't think it is a big deal. Reid didn't seem to mind and probably likes the fact that his superstar TE actually gave a $h!t about winning the game. The personal relationship between the 2 is what determines that. My wife and kids get away with a lot of $h!t I wouldn't take from anyone else. Reid probably was wondering himself why Kelce wasn't in the game.
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Post by fantom on Feb 12, 2024 11:05:43 GMT -6
I could care less how much football knowledge a young coach has. I want someone willing to do grunt work. I believe this is a growing phenomenon in many fields, not just coaching. There was actually an article in either the WSJ or Businessweek or some other commerce oriented publication citing that younger and lower level employees now feel that "they shouldn't have to work to make shareholders [owners] richer". This isn't new but social media magnifies it. Low level employees have always griped but they used to do it to each other over a beer. Now they broadcast it to the world.
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Post by fantom on Feb 9, 2024 12:27:03 GMT -6
We did separate days with a short period of the other side. It would probably be ideal to do both each day but in my experience since the HC typically handles offense defense can get short-changed.
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