I just need to vent about one of my classes this year. I've only been teaching for three yearsw so I acknowledge the sample size is small but this is the first time in my limted experience that I hve had a class, not just two or three bad students, but an entire class that just makes me not want to be a teacher anymore. This is a class of about 18 students and I struggle daily with all but maybe 4 of them. Now not all of them are behavior problems per se but of that 18 there are 12 of them that are going into the final exam next week who must pass the final in order to pass the class. I have never had numbers that high; I mean I don't have 12 people in danger of failing for my other history classes combined!
But what frustrates me the most is that when I stood up in front of the room and laid it all out for them and explained their dire situation in a broad sense... THEY LAUGHED! They actually thought it was funny that the majority of them are failing the class! How do I work with kids like this? I know some of you have crazier porblems than this but for a young teacher like myself, this is the first time I've had a class as a whole that makes me feel like banging my head agains the wall and wondering why I chose to be a teacher.
I'm not trying to rub it in, but I guess it gives me some solace that I'm not the only one dealing with situations like this. Hope it improves for you.
I had a kid called for taunting once. I asked the official what our player had said to taunt. The official said "Coach I am not exactly sure." I asked how he could call that without even knowing what the kid said. Then the official told me "I didn't have to know what he said the kid had a mean look, I could tell it was bad."
I kind of just laughed. Sometimes it's too stupid to be mad at.
The same game we had the kid get popped for "hitting the QB too hard." We got an excessive celebration penalty. It was a tight game, and out of halftime, we just scored to take a one score lead, and on the Kickoff, they fumbled and we scooped and scored...We had 6 or 7 guys mob the guy who scooped and scored, they jumped up and down, whooped and hollered, a few of them did a chest bump or two, and they ran off the field, still hollering, pretty exciting and big moment of the game. White hat said they were yelling too loud and threw a flag. Combine that with the hitting the QB too hard, I was not a fan of that crew.
This thread shows the real issue. The politicians and educates have basically given up on standards at most places. We have so many programs in place that it is impossible to fail... unless you try to fail... and unfortunately, some do.
What really will scare me, however, is when we start allowing the opposing coach brings over accommodations and modifications on his players. Because Johnny is slower than average in the 40, he starts 10 yards ahead of the LOS. Because our Mike struggles to process, he gets a copy of each play before it is run... That is when it will be time to get out.
That's really scary...and I can kinda see things like that happening.
We had a TE go to Florida State, he was wrecking kids one game, got a few personal fouls, was threatened with ejection...was doing nothing wrong, simply down-blocking on a 160lb, uncoached DE. The poor kid was getting KILLED, basically picked up and driven through the rest of the DL, giant pile after giant pile. The refs didn't like it, thought it was excessive. One of the dumbest on-field things I've been a part of. I can definitely see a new generation of administrators making changes and decisions like this, tho...
Played a veer team 4 or 5 years ago, one of my DEs got a personal foul for "Hitting the QB too hard" the white hat told me...
I think there are two reasons why it is becoming more and more difficult to enforce accountability and punishments:
1) Diagnosing new disorders- I am sure many people here believe that many of the new disorders being diagnosed are a bunch of BS ("we didn't have ADD back in my day"), and moreover they being overly diagnosed as many elementary school counselors are rewarded for the amount of IEPs they can write. Regardless, the issue isn't how many new disorders we find, or the validity of said disorders, the issue is how we handle them and allow them to be a crutch that validates misbehavior. We now justify allowing someone to behave wrongly because we have a name for the cause of their misbehavior; it has in essence become a disability, and to punish someone for their disability would be wrong.
2) Society has become increasingly litigious- If a parent wants to make a stink about something it can be more costly to the school to fight it then to simply give in. Students recognize this, and see that they have the upper hand in disputes with teachers in that society mandates that they specifically are at school, it doesn't mandate that you specifically be a teacher.
Lol.... The new one is "Opposition Defiance Disorder". I've seen two cases of this pop up in the school this year and it's a joke. A kid is an argumentative little chit so we need to accommodate him because he has a "mental health diagnosis". I worked as a mental health counselor for awhile and these idiots have no idea what an ODD kid actually acts like.
We have one with "selective mutism." Wrap your head around that one.
Post by coachshepherd on Mar 3, 2016 9:44:35 GMT -6
More tackles are missed IMO from poor leverage positions. Tracking to me is paramount to making good, safe tackles, and there is no contact needed for it. I like the hawk tackle system, how it helps you teach leverage and tracking. If I can get my guys to track the proper hip and get into a good hitting position, I like our chances of making that tackle.
Regardless, how much true live, take to the ground tackling do teams do in practice? I figure it is more Thud tempo, but a may be off base on that.
Post by coachshepherd on Oct 14, 2015 20:12:22 GMT -6
I heard a funny one from the stands during a game that it rained the whole time, 2" of rain during game time. We won 6 to 0...at one point in the game, during the monsoon, I heard someone yell, "Open up the playbook coach!"
Just don't be one of those guys that asks out loud in a staff meeting yesterday..."What am I going to do for 30 minutes of Indy Time everyday?!?!"...Are you F'n serious? 30 minutes is still not enough for me. I slept on it and that still aggravates me.
Post by coachshepherd on May 1, 2015 8:44:53 GMT -6
I thought I knew a lot when I was 21 coaching, I'm 30 now...and I'd laugh at myself back then, and I'm sure in another 10 years, I'll look back at what I thought I knew at 30, and laugh some more thinking I know a lot.
It's not how much you know, it's can you get the pertinent info to the kids that's going to enable them to get the job done within your scheme. Beyond that, it doesn't mean a hill of beans how much you know.
Of the people that used this style...what did you feel like were the tangible examples of the benefits from it and how did the kids feel about it?
At first they were a little resistant
they all thought they were gonna get hurt the night before the game
but after the first couple they realized we really weren't hitting
they also really loved the fact that Monday and Wed were shorts and shells days... i mean realistically if you work heads up style tackling, and stay off the legs all season long anyway... you never really NEED to wear leg pads/pants
a lot of the boys would wear their combot/5 pad girdles under their shorts
something about wearing shorts makes kids feel fresher and cooler
Next season, if every kid would buy a combat 5 pad girdle , i wouldnt personally have a problem with wearing shorts all 4 practices a week
biggest advantage was i felt it helped the focus of thursday practices... an actual football practice, not a j@ck off session where everyone is just going through the motions
Part of our fundraisers in the summer go to purchasing all incoming Freshman and any players that needs a new girdle each summer.
Post by coachshepherd on Feb 8, 2015 18:01:17 GMT -6
I hate when they don't stay on topic...If I'm here to listen about hand combat - strike & separate...please talk about that and the coaching points and/or drills and not your life story about being bullied, and how you love/hate George O'Leary, and whatever else....
Post by coachshepherd on Sept 24, 2014 13:40:27 GMT -6
We recently played a team...and lost (still angry), but on one of their films, they played a team so overly matched, it was 66-0 just before halftime. The losing team scored with 47 seconds left in the first half to make it 66-6. What does the team up 60 do, they run a reverse with 35 or 40 seconds left, get tackled at the 1 or 2 yard line, and they run a toss next play to score. 2nd half, the team had their JV in, and were throwing PAP in the 3rd. Scored wound up being 92 to 18 or something like that. Just ridiculous.
I can't say that if we would have had the chance to run it up on that team that I would or wouldn't call off the dogs.
We've used the girdle compression shorts for a while but was thinking of making the transition to the girdles that have the pads built in. I'm looking for feedback from people that use or have used them. If they liked them or didn't. Issue with them.
Love'm. We buy them for our kids every year. Fairly inexpensive models out there for around 35 to 40 bucks. I can't remember our exact brand, but kids loved them. Don't have to worry about a kid forgetting a thigh pad or a butt pad.
Post by coachshepherd on Jan 14, 2013 7:46:48 GMT -6
I think 2 areas to focus on, and one comes from Chip Kelly's motto "Win the Day." In our offseason program, whether it is our lifting charts in our program, or the conditioning phase, we are adding a segment, What did you do to "win the day." Any form of one extra conditioning, competition, lift, etc. That the student athlete can do at the end of his workout to win the day. Basically trying to have them take ownership and do that little extra to help put you over the top. Say for a WR you catch a 100 tennis balls from a jug machine.
Also, I don't think trench play can be overstated for anyone. What can you do to improve your OL/DL. I'm always looking for ways to simplify scheme and improve technique and whenever you can improve those areas for your buffet busters it's a win.
Great thread, learning a bunch already, thanks guys.
I'm not ready to talk defense yet, still hung up on trying to figure out what offense I want to work with. However, just a opening shot in the dark here, does everyone play with a Nose and run contain philosophy defense like in the old days of say-the 5-2 Monster or 5-3?
The rules with running a 11 man "spill" philosophy is that you have to have someone to spill to-well duh. But, with 8 there doesn't seem to be a weakside/strongside to set the defense to.
I'm not explaining myself well, and it's probably because I know nothing of 8man yet. What I"m trying to ask in my very clumsy way, is that is there anyway to adapt a Miami 4-3 spill philosophy defense to 8man?
Thanks guys, I'm peddling as fast as I can. OJW
I think it's tough to play spill in 8 man, the game is so fast, that if you do let a guy get to the edge, and you don't have fast pursuit it can bite you. Can it be done, I think so, I just think it's a bit more difficult than playing contain. I'm more of a bend don't break on defense.
Post by coachshepherd on Jan 16, 2012 19:02:31 GMT -6
One of the great defensive minds I know of is Jeff Savage, has had loads of success wherever he's been. I believe he is at burden central now, but has had different stops throughout KS, including a very successful program in Quivera Heights. He adapted Michigan's slant defense to 8 man, based out of a 3-4 defense. Really good stuff. I have the powerpoint he gave out at a clinic he talked at before, if anyone wants it pm me.
When they spread the field? That is typically what we did. But if we against a primarily 2 RB set, we were in a Monster D, just feel like it helps shut down anything an offense can present.
coachcb - what do you do out of your 3-4? Do you Slant, play 2-gap?
We played the 3-2 Monster the way a very successful team in the state does it and it hurt us against a double back-double end set: ................CB..............CB .................W.....M.......S ...............5........0........5 .................E..G..C..G...E .........................Q
As you can see, we're 1-1 in the box and we got chewed up on the run. We originally had the CBs playing a quarters technique (7 yards deep) in this situation and reading the Ends. We figured we could get 8 guys fitting on the run which would make up for the light box. It didn't. Even with rep after rep after rep, they still started putting their eyes in the backfield and we had ends flying right past them on PA.
This worked out much better for us and was simpler as it was the same front we ran against spread formations.
We ran a mix of single gap (shaded) and double gap technique this year and I'll never do it again. The DL got a lot of quality turns at it as we kept everything really simple but they still struggled. We finally just ended up in a single gap look the end of the year.
Where did you LBs line up in your monster defense?
We play outside eye of the G. We try and funnel everything to the A gaps, so the Monster can come and clean up while NT occupies the blocks. You have to have the horses up front to run it. We didn't have a dominant NT like we did last year, so we struggled on D a bit. Will be the same case next year, so we are going to slant out of a 3-4 and also out of an inverted 3-2.
CB said, "I think an 11-man coach could learn alot about proper defensive fundamentals and their EXTREME importance in 8-man. There is a lot of open grass to play around with in an 8-man game; one missed tackle can result in a score."
CB, this is what scares me. Although the game is similar, all that space is really messing with my head. I am counting on getting alot of help here. Thanks for Carookie starting this post. But man o man, I've got a long way to go. OJW
The better defenses around here are operating what would be considered "prevent" schemes. The 3-2-3/3-4-1 are becoming really prevalent.
We were only shut down completely by one team this last year and they played a 3-2-3 with their CBs/OLBs playing 5-6 yards deep and 3-4 yards off of the EMLOS. Their safety was 10 yards deep.
The ILBs played force; turning everything back inside for the CBs/OLBs to clean up. Everyone took awesome angles to the ball, shed and tackled well and just played sound fundamental defense all afternoon. We just couldn't break anything on them and we were used to 3-4 20+ yard pops a game. The made is move it incrementally down the field and waited for us to make mistakes. Our guys got frustrated and fell apart.
I've always felt the 3-2 Monster, is the best defense, but just my personal opinion. FS acts as a 3rd LB, but has enough depth away from the 2 ILB he is able to navigate the flow and make plays. The Defense is predicated on containing the C gaps, and forcing everything into the two A-Gaps - Allowing the Monster to come and clean up.
Great Coach and Teacher in Kansas Eight Man, is Don Melby, Scandia, Kansas. Do we see shades of Eight Man football on Saturdays and Sundays? Could 11 man Coaches learn from the Eight Man game?
I think an 11-man coach could learn alot about proper defensive fundamentals and their EXTREME importance in 8-man. There is a lot of open grass to play around with in an 8-man game; one missed tackle can result in a score.
Especially tackling in open space, if you can't do it in 8 man - good night.
Post by coachshepherd on Oct 25, 2011 14:00:04 GMT -6
I think not only what was said above, stopping their 3 best plays and 3 best pass plays, but also finding out their best plays against certain down and distances. We play a certain team that runs this TE delay route in almost every critical 2nd and long and 3rd and long play, they are very effective with it because they run it out of so many formations. So like above with coach huey, focus on schemes and concepts.
Since he missed two practices un-excused, he'd be benched for that game. Our policy is half a game per un-excused practice. We honestly get this crap all the time. We have a major discipline issue in our program.
Do you allow him to travel with the team to the game? That is what I'm struggling on, he is not playing for sure. Which kind of sucks because we have very little depth at the position, but confident we can get the job done with who we have that will fill in. Sad thing is, kid had his best game last game, close to 200 yards rushing with multiple scores. The whole college visit thing bothers me because the college is about an hour away and I know he could have gotten back to practice. Add to the fact it is the biggest game for us of the year.