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Post by 19delta on Oct 12, 2023 17:43:04 GMT -6
The spectrum between the haves and the have-nots in D3 is astounding, more so that at any other level of college football. Take a look at the scoring margin that schools like North Central College (Naperville, Illinois) have been putting up this year. Eye popping. Another Illinois D3, Aurora University, just won a game 91-0 last weekend! St. John's in Minnesota has almost 200 players on the roster every year. There should probably be 2 or 3 subdivisions just made up of D3 schools due to the wide range of competition. So yeah...you need to do your homework and make sure you know what you are getting yourself into. What are the school's expectations? What resources are they going to commit to you? How important is football to the schools you are going to be playing against? Unless I was retired, I would not be leaving a safe gig in public education to take a D3 job.
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Post by 19delta on Oct 10, 2023 17:58:08 GMT -6
Serious question...when things like this happen, why doesn't the crew chief just look it up? Yes, I know it might take some time. But, isn't that better than guessing or winging it and then getting it wrong? This is not a matter of looking it up, this is a matter of agreeing on the facts. One official sees the ball, another blows the whistle...was it in a player's possession or not? No book in the world's going to tell you the facts on the field. But that’s not what happened here. The officials blew the call. They ignored the fact that possession had changed after the snap but before the IW. They got it wrong. This wasn’t a judgment call. They ruled incorrectly.
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Post by 19delta on Oct 10, 2023 5:28:05 GMT -6
Well... hate to say, but it is total B.S.... and that was the right ruling after a mistake by the officials. In this case, both are true (you got screwed because some rules are dumb). We've had far too many inadvertent whistles in my day, so I was pretty sure I knew this one. The team who put the ball in play gets the choice (rule 4-2-3 b). I also found this... just checking to see if I was right before I posted (sometimes I think I am right, remember it to be right... and am not right): www.referee.com/protocols-for-inadvertent-whistles/Dang it Senator. But what about this part? "If a player is in possession of the ball when an IW occurs, the team in possession can choose to take the ball at the spot when the whistle was blown, or to replay the down (if all penalties are declined)." I see the part where if the ball is kicked the down must be replayed...but it was kicked and then we possessed it. I know some jobs are difficult, but when you work your ass off to play the right way and a ref makes a mistake like this...I can't stand it. Say "my bad" and I might care a little less. Agreed. My understanding of the FG ruling was the official blew an IW after the snap but before the kick went through the uprights. In other words, the official incorrectly treated a FG attempt like a PAT. In that situation, the team attempting the FG still has possession and can choose to re-kick. In the scenario above, possession clearly changed before the IW was blown. So that’s why I think the team that recovered the blocked kick prior to the IW should have possession.
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Post by 19delta on Oct 9, 2023 16:56:20 GMT -6
Without knowing the actual ruling, I think they blew it. If your player recovered the ball and then the whistle blew, I would think that, at the very least, you should have possession of the ball at the point your player recovered it. The inadvertent whistle would simply negate everything after your player recovered the ball.
Many, many years ago, I was coaching in a game in which there was an inadvertent whistle after an INT. Kid picked off the pass and one of the officials had a brain fart and blew his whistle immediately. In that case, the decision was to award possession to the intercepting team at the spot of the interception (or as close as it could be determined).
Was that the correct decision?
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Post by 19delta on Oct 9, 2023 16:47:45 GMT -6
Serious question...when things like this happen, why doesn't the crew chief just look it up? Yes, I know it might take some time. But, isn't that better than guessing or winging it and then getting it wrong?
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Post by 19delta on Oct 9, 2023 14:12:27 GMT -6
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Post by 19delta on Oct 9, 2023 14:11:00 GMT -6
I hope that the coaching consultants are more valuable than the teaching "experts" that districts often bring in for institute days. A few more years out of teaching or having any idea of what actually goes on in a classroom and I should be able to make some real coin doing this. Yep. You just need a Google slideshow and an acronym. Poof...you are an educelebrity!
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Post by 19delta on Oct 9, 2023 7:31:19 GMT -6
I hope that the coaching consultants are more valuable than the teaching "experts" that districts often bring in for institute days.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 26, 2023 17:18:06 GMT -6
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Post by 19delta on Sept 20, 2023 19:55:40 GMT -6
Oof. Not a good look. That’s some Michael Scott-level cringe.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 19, 2023 17:55:58 GMT -6
100%. The irony is, I think CSU had the better team. Better athletes, better scheme, etc, etc. If they would have just focused on the game and cut out the nonsense, they win by two scores at least. If CSU had the better team, Colorado better get ready to get murdered in conference because CSU got absolutely embarrassed by Washington St. I would imagine that those good teams that are coming up on CU's schedule have a big advantage over CSU. First, they will have much better players and an established program. Second, their coaches will wisely focus on winning the game and work hard to avoid any drama that takes that focus away. Those teams should be good enough to show up and beat CU without having to be dragged down by all the nonsense that CSU brought last weekend.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 19, 2023 17:38:30 GMT -6
I obviously don't like Deion, but his statement about the death threats and Blackburn in general are fantastic. Agreed.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 19, 2023 13:56:23 GMT -6
Whether the CSU kids did it with intent or not looks like it didn't work very well since they lost the game. 100%. The irony is, I think CSU had the better team. Better athletes, better scheme, etc, etc. If they would have just focused on the game and cut out the nonsense, they win by two scores at least.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 19, 2023 12:58:24 GMT -6
“Henry…these CU guys and their head coach are a bunch of hot dogs with big mouths. We want you and your teammates to send a message when you get the chance to do so to shut them up.” Do you think that any coaches needed to come out and say it? Don't you think that CSU players were really sick of hearing about Colorado? I don't think that the players needed any extra motivation. Look, until last week I didn't know who Ron Norvell was. Maybe he did exactly what you think he did but I don't know that. You've never had a game where your guys got overly chippy even though you tried to cool them down? "You coached it or allowed it" may be mostly true but not 100% because the players are human beings and do make decisions. Sometimes those decisions are bad despite the coaches' best efforts. Over 180 yards in penalties with a big chunk of those coming on personal fouls. That’s the coach’s best effort? Look…I get it. Kids do dumb things. But we aren’t talking about a one-off play here where a kid does something stupid out of the blue. The CSU kids seemed to be pretty focused on sending a message, intimidation, shutting them up, whatever you want to call it. That attitude permeated the entire CSU sideline. Kids want to please their coaches. They know what their coaches want. I feel pretty confident that the kid from CSU who committed that late hit did exactly what he had been coached up to do in practice the week before the game.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 19, 2023 12:30:09 GMT -6
Coach "I want you to hit him late and lacerate their liver" Player "Yes, sir." “Henry…these CU guys and their head coach are a bunch of hot dogs with big mouths. We want you and your teammates to send a message when you get the chance to do so to shut them up.”
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Post by 19delta on Sept 19, 2023 11:51:27 GMT -6
So you're in favor of players getting death threats? Uh, no? The point is that the kid who is getting the death threats was only doing what he had been coached to do, either explicitly or implicitly. For Norvell to call out the dopes who are threatening his player while refusing to acknowledge his own (Norvell’s) culpability for that fiasco is the height of hubris. To quote Mike Ditka, “Who you crappin’?” 😂
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Post by 19delta on Sept 19, 2023 8:38:15 GMT -6
You think BC's coach encouraged his team to commit a bunch of penalties? Always possible, but because of the context of the CU-CSU game, it's much more of a reasonable inference that Norvell and/or members of his staff encouraged players to play this way against CU due to the feud in the week leading up to the game... Right. And Norvell is getting a free pass. He should be getting called out for the way his players conducted themselves. The nerve of this guy. 🙄 csurams.com/news/2023/9/18/football-monday-presser-norvell-disturbed-by-growing-trendThat is some first-class hubris!
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Post by 19delta on Sept 19, 2023 8:35:11 GMT -6
You think BC's coach encouraged his team to commit a bunch of penalties? I don’t know. I didn’t watch that game.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 19, 2023 4:08:28 GMT -6
www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38433243/colorado-state-player-family-receive-death-threats-hitThis is the part of the article that most stands out to me: "(CSU Athletic director Joe) Parker told ESPN. "Henry never intended to put anyone in harm's way on the football field. It's not what we teach or coach." The evidence from the game seems to refute that. Given the high numbers of personal fouls called against the CSU players during the game, I think it is perfectly reasonable to suggest that the coaching staff both teaches and coaches and encourages thuggery and goonish behavior. What's the old saying? Either you are teaching it that way or you are letting it happen. The CSU coaches, starting with Norvell, have largely avoided any criticism about their player's conduct during the game. They are ultimately responsible for how players act on the field. And when there are as many personal fouls as there were Saturday night, that is indicative of a coaching staff who encouraged their players to act that way.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 17, 2023 16:58:17 GMT -6
It's clearly a penalty and probably would have been years ago. That said, I think terms like "thug" and POS might be a little harsh. Sometimes when you're playing defense something happens, maybe your clock speeds up or something like that. Probably a lot of guys on this forum have done something like it and they can't even explain it. I had a play like that when I was in college. I could have sworn that it was a bang-bang play and that I was on time. I was really shocked when I saw the film and that I had been a full second late. It happens. The problem is, it happened multiple times last night. And almost exclusively by the CSU players. That’s not a bang-bang, one-off play. That’s players who have been encouraged to play like that by their coaches.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 17, 2023 14:58:23 GMT -6
Am I the only one who thinks "Prime" walks away to the NFL when his kids are gone? He seems much more suited to college. The list of successful college coaches who also had success in the NFL is really short. And Sanders has been pretty great out of the gate but he is at the start of his career. I can see him jumping to a higher profile FBS program, for sure.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 17, 2023 14:14:30 GMT -6
Man...you really ARE the master of the non sequitur. In the second part of your post, you agree with me. You agree that what the kid did was pure thuggery. So, really, what difference does it matter what his "intent" was other than to say that it was dirty and unnecessary? (And, by the way, you have no better knowledge of the kid's intent any more than I or anyone else do). The POINT is that the CSU kid came in way late, after the play. In fact, I think there was two fouls on the play. They flagged the initial defender for PI. The late hit came after that flag had already been thrown. So, why defend the kid's action? It was cheap, dirty, and unnecessary. And the game was already chippy at that point. The officials HAD to throw that flag. Maybe, under other circumstances, a flag doesn't get thrown. But, I would argue that in ANY situation like that, a flag would get thrown MOST of the time and should be thrown ALL of the time. I am not defending the kids actions. I am saying that attention the play received (social media outcries etc.) as well as the "Hunter is a great player, that player who hit him is a POS" etc. doesn't seem to fall in line with the actual action performed given the long line of late hits in football history. If he wanted to "hurt him" then why slow down and just give him a shoulder block? Why not explode through the head with a high forearm or lead with the helmet? I am saying that the kid tried to intimidate. To let him know "Hey I will be here all day, and you will feel physical pain when you get near me". But, Hunter got hurt and now its a spotlight on "thuggery" Hypotheticals are never provable, but if the blow glances off of Hunter, instead of hitting him squarely, and gets up and barks at him, this is a non issue. But he didn't. So it is. It IS thuggery. That’s the point. Anything else is pedantic. Which is your wheelhouse, of course! 😂
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Post by 19delta on Sept 17, 2023 13:26:44 GMT -6
100%. That CSU kid wasn’t playing football. He was trying to hurt someone. And he succeeded. Total cheap shot. I disagree 100% with respect to the "intent to hurt someone"-- inflict pain and intimidation...yes. Injure..No way. He slowed down, gathered himself, braced himself and lowered his shoulder and leaned into Hunter as Hunter was starting to decelerate. To be clear, I am in no way suggesting what happened was right. It was illegal. It was an attempt to intimate and inflict pain outside of the rules. I am simply saying that in many cases after hits like that (not even to the head), Hunter pops up, jaws at him, there is pushing and shoving and the game goes on. Man...you really ARE the master of the non sequitur. In the second part of your post, you agree with me. You agree that what the kid did was pure thuggery. So, really, what difference does it matter what his "intent" was other than to say that it was dirty and unnecessary? (And, by the way, you have no better knowledge of the kid's intent any more than I or anyone else do). The POINT is that the CSU kid came in way late, after the play. In fact, I think there was two fouls on the play. They flagged the initial defender for PI. The late hit came after that flag had already been thrown. So, why defend the kid's action? It was cheap, dirty, and unnecessary. And the game was already chippy at that point. The officials HAD to throw that flag. Maybe, under other circumstances, a flag doesn't get thrown. But, I would argue that in ANY situation like that, a flag would get thrown MOST of the time and should be thrown ALL of the time.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 17, 2023 10:53:55 GMT -6
I suspect that wont be the last hit of that nature an opponent dishes out on a Colorado player. Deions brought a lot of attention to the program and it's inevitably going to rub some folks the wrong way. I have a feeling if a Colorado player had hit a CSU player like that Twitter would be calling it "swagger" and "intimidating" and a fair result of "making things personal". But you know what, that didn’t happen. The CSU kids were the ones displaying blatant thuggery. CU had penalties but not of the egregious types committed by CSU. Jay Norvell is the guy whose momma raised him right. He’s the guy who coaches his kids to do it the “right way” (whatever that means). But Deion’s guys were much more composed and held their mud way better on a big stage. I thought CSU was clearly the better team in terms of athletes and execution. But they were undisciplined and focused on nonsense and that ultimately cost them the game.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 17, 2023 10:46:23 GMT -6
Hit him in a manner that less than a decade ago would be considered tough hard nosed football?? He didn't take a head shot. He really just braced himself and gave Hunter an unanticipated shoulder block. It was clearly illegal due to the current rules. There was a penalty assessed. But since it happened to a member of what seems to be the 2023 "chosen team" so much more is going to be made of it. The play was over. The ball had hit the ground. The safety made no attempt on the ball. He just late hit the kid in an unprotected part of his body and sent him to the hospital. And the kid just happened to be possibly the best player in the country and a two way player. That was a cheap ass INTENTIONAL play in any decade. Heck, that would have been cheap in MMA. And I thought that live and on replay. 100%. That CSU kid wasn’t playing football. He was trying to hurt someone. And he succeeded. Total cheap shot.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 17, 2023 3:33:24 GMT -6
What most stood out to me from last night's game is that CSU lost over 180 yards on penalties and looked completely unhinged at times.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 4, 2023 21:43:36 GMT -6
I root against him vociferously any time he is coaching. Bad guy. Agreed. If you ever had a match up that could somehow feature Kelly, PJ Fleck, Dabo Swinney and Deion I would root for the earth to swallow the stadium. Monday night was fun. Just not for Dabo. 😂
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Post by 19delta on Sept 4, 2023 11:32:17 GMT -6
I don’t think that is true in big time college football. No amount of brown nosing is going to keep a head coach on the job for 25 years if he isn’t winning. I’m not saying that Ferentz is a bad coach. What I am saying is that it isn’t fair to suggest Sanders is a bust if Colorado isn’t vying for a national championship within a couple years when there are guys out there like Ferentz who has been pretty good but not great for a really long time. But he's at Iowa. He's been arguably the most successful coach they've ever had. Like Fitzgerald was at NW. And Iowa rarely fores coaches of any sport. They've had 3 wrestling coaches in going on 50 years. They've had 4 men's bball coaches in 40 years. Well, Sanders is at Colorado, which hasn’t been relevant in football in more than 20 years. So, the bar for future success for Sanders at Colorado should be considerably lower than the past track record for Ferentz at Iowa.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 4, 2023 11:22:09 GMT -6
C’mon…that special teams practice film was invaluable! 😂 That guy is a douchebag of epic proportions. Whoops, let my MAGA out again... I root against him vociferously any time he is coaching. Bad guy.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 4, 2023 11:19:23 GMT -6
And honestly, I wouldn't be shocked if Sanders decides to dig in long-term at Colorado instead of bolting when UF, FSU, SoCal, Texas, Oklahoma, OSU, etc come calling, because it would be all the more of an accomplishment to take a program that has been pretty much the worst and dysfunctional program in college football consistently over the last 20 years, and turn them into a perennially elite program Agreed. One thing about Sanders, and I guess he’s not different than other high level coaches in this regard, is that he always seems to be looking for greener grass. If things are not progressing as quickly as he likes I can definitely see him pull up stakes and looking for the next opportunity.
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