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Post by 61 on Jul 16, 2006 12:03:16 GMT -6
When I played, our coaches gave us salt tablets and didn't allow us water breaks. How should we deal with beating the heat now?
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Post by coachjd on Jul 16, 2006 12:41:27 GMT -6
This graph is from our high school leauge web site for heat and cold temps.
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Post by tog on Jul 16, 2006 12:45:25 GMT -6
lol
we would never be able to practice
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Post by ocinaz on Jul 16, 2006 15:20:58 GMT -6
Same here!! When school first starts we practice in the AM, and go in the evening under the lights, but it's still very hot over here....
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Post by kcbazooka on Jul 16, 2006 15:25:35 GMT -6
I remember those days of salt tablets!!!! tog - gave a "lol" but seriously we are having camp next week and it won't be under 95 any of those days...
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Post by sls on Jul 16, 2006 15:32:55 GMT -6
This graph is from our high school leauge web site for heat and cold temps. I really like my school, but one of the worse things is that my trainer (who is a pretty good girl) has this chart with a little handheld computer and can dictate practice. I asked my AD last year, if we go red during a game, can the trainer stop the game. He said no, so this year I am going to practice in the red.
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Post by blb on Jul 16, 2006 17:09:27 GMT -6
During two-a-days we hydrate the kids (and coaches) every 20 minutes, more if necessary, and give them at least one cup of Gatorade after each practice.
We only have 11 days of practice before the first game week, and by state rule the first three must be helmets only (after 19 conditioning workouts and six days of camp in the summer), so we're pretty much going in pads whenever we can.
Basically, we practice until I get tired (usually happens after 2 1/2 hours).
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Jul 16, 2006 17:30:19 GMT -6
Best way to beat the heat... coach (or play) in Northwest Wyoming. First day of practice one year... temp was 18 degrees when we started.
Here (NE Nebraska) we have sprinklers running, water, wet towels, gatorade and popsicle break when the heat index is up. A lot of times we get out of school due to heat- most of the time we practice right after. We watch it pretty closely... just have to take cool off time when it is hot/humid.
JDs chart would really affect us...after the first 2 days- we always practice with full pads- pregame included.
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Post by gamedog on Jul 16, 2006 19:09:32 GMT -6
I remember those days of salt tablets!!!! tog - gave a "lol" but seriously we are having camp next week and it won't be under 95 any of those days... He gave a LOL because in our area it will be over 100 with 40% or more humidity until November!
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coachf
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Post by coachf on Jul 16, 2006 22:43:02 GMT -6
Illinois is famous for its 92-95 with heat index in the low 100's right around camp-time and two-a-days. We have that great humidity where you just step outside and start breathing water until about October. Then, bam, it's 20 degrees with snow and ice.
Actually, I can't complain compared to the south. And besides last year we had the best weather I have ever encountered for 2-a-days. Take that global warming!!
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Post by coachbb on Jul 16, 2006 23:56:28 GMT -6
Keep a pool with ice water for immersing any heat questions in an air conditioned area. This could be a life-saver.
Keep track of the weights of every player. If they lose more than 5 lbs in between practices, have them go in shorts.
As most coaches, especially in the south, know, heat exhaustion and stroke are VERY SERIOUS matters.
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Post by los on Jul 17, 2006 0:32:57 GMT -6
Thats a good point coach bb, I've never heard anyone mention the weight loss thing before but I would weigh myself during 2 a days during august(not mandatory just experimenting on my own) ! Before practice(shorts only- 168 pounds) after the first 3.5 hour session (160 pounds) After a trip to dairy queen for 2 burgers,fries and a giant size drink, plus lots of water, back to 168 pounds again! I usually did this a few times per week and it seemed to hold true for the 2-3 weeks of 2 a days! An average of an 8 pound weight swing per practice session. We didnt do a complete team study so i can only guess that some guys had more and some less of a weight swing. We also had salt tablets and room temp water mostly (no ice). Once school started and practice was just once a day in the afternoon, most of us actually put on a little more weight for a time as our eating habits were trained to the higher weight loss of the summer! My playing weight by the first game was about 175 pounds and kinda leveled off there thru the season.
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Post by coachveer on Jul 17, 2006 6:52:33 GMT -6
We schedule our water breaks ever 20 mins. right on our practice schedule "H2O 5 min". We do this for 2 reasons. First, it does remind us coaches to keep our kids full of fluids. It also may cover our bksds should anything ever go wrong.
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Post by fbdoc on Jul 17, 2006 9:24:12 GMT -6
We're in South Florida so the Heat and the Humidity is always high! We probably water more than we need to but I tell our coaches "Work them Hard and Water them Hard". We have one of those WaterBoy Chiller Units runing during practice - one of the best purchases we ever made - in addition to our water girls running bottles all over practice.
Our kids will have water about every 10 minutes either by designed break or from a roving water girl during a drill but we also don't use the heat as an excuse. We also have towels in ice water and do the popsicles about twice a week as a surpirse.
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Post by chiefscoach on Jul 17, 2006 9:32:34 GMT -6
Like fbdoc we too are in south florida and the heat can really get bad, but we just water them down after every couple drills or periods. We try and not have the entire team water at once because then the water breaks become longer than they need to be.
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Post by brophy on Jul 17, 2006 9:43:23 GMT -6
we tried various methods....the last one was rather ingenious, I thought.
for 'summer' camp....
ONE practice a day, 4 hours from 3-7pm.
water breaks every 15 minutes of practice while on the field
1/2 hour break in the middle, in doors, pads off getting hydrated.....(keeping their attention span when they return to the field).
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Post by fbdoc on Jul 17, 2006 9:50:08 GMT -6
Brophy mentioned a key point - keeping their attention. Yes we have to make them "tougher" but you will get more work done and be more efficient if the kids are focused and ABLE to work hard.
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Post by spreadattack on Jul 17, 2006 11:31:43 GMT -6
It's a hard question, good ideas all around. All I know is I'd hate to be the coach presiding over practice and have a kid drop dead from heat stroke. The only other thing I'd add is that when we have done conditioning during two a days we let them take their helmets and pads off for running.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 17, 2006 16:45:46 GMT -6
Sls...not quite sure what you mean "If we go red in a game?"
That chart represents guidelines based on the maximal environemental conditions in which an athlete can maintain an elevated BUT STABLE core temperature during exercises at 35% of VO2 max while wearing 3 different types of football uniforms.
Practice in conditions above and to the right of the appropriate line (Meaning if you are in full pads, and practice in conditions above/right of the green line create a potentially dangerous situation.)
Unfortunately, that is nearly every day down here in South Louisiana.
Based on this chart, practicing above/right of the RED line is creating a potentially dangerous situation EVEN if practice is in SHORTS. Much more dangerous if in pads.
--Chart derived from research done at Penn State in 2002. ---
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Post by jhanawa on Jul 17, 2006 22:15:05 GMT -6
I don't see 115+ on the graph? In AZ, its 100+ at 10pm. Unfortunately, its something we have to deal with on a daily basis here, the key is pre hydration before practice and constant watering during practice. Its something that needs to be worked into but a "tolerance" for heat can and must be developed here. Its something that must be stressed daily to kids and parents, they MUST drink water all day long before practice.
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Post by sls on Jul 18, 2006 8:10:15 GMT -6
Sls...not quite sure what you mean "If we go red in a game?" That chart represents guidelines based on the maximal environemental conditions in which an athlete can maintain an elevated BUT STABLE core temperature during exercises at 35% of VO2 max while wearing 3 different types of football uniforms. Practice in conditions above and to the right of the appropriate line (Meaning if you are in full pads, and practice in conditions above/right of the green line create a potentially dangerous situation.) Unfortunately, that is nearly every day down here in South Louisiana. Based on this chart, practicing above/right of the RED line is creating a potentially dangerous situation EVEN if practice is in SHORTS. Much more dangerous if in pads. --Chart derived from research done at Penn State in 2002. --- I mean if we enter the area to the right of the redline. It seems that most schools would not stop a game if they enter an area right of the redline. It also seems that if most of the southern states used that chart they could never practice.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 18, 2006 12:59:17 GMT -6
I understand what you mean by entering the area to the right of the redline. What I am saying is that according to the chart, You shouldn't be wearing equipment at all if you are past the GREEN LINE..so the "red line" is really irrelavant.
The key is to not only properly hydrate..but also to make sure the kids become acclimated and improve their heat lose.
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Post by gamedog on Jul 18, 2006 13:16:49 GMT -6
Most wrongful death suits against coaches and schools should also be filed against whatever video game company that kid played most of the day, every day indoors. When I was a kid we were never inside after breakfast until it was dark.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 18, 2006 13:34:27 GMT -6
gamedog.I agree !00% Of course...then could one argue that skin cancer suits could be filed against coaches??? . Heck, the latest research shows that their is a correlation between living and dying. It seems after exhaustive research that EVERY SINGLE PERSON who has lived, dies. Who can we sue on that one However, it is a serious matter, and people do need to be educated. Thats why I asked SLS about his "red line" comment. I wasn't sure if he was making a point, or didn't understand the graph and what it represents. I think the chart and the latest research lead a coach to really spend less time in full gear, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, especially when you also include BRAIN trauma correlation to full gear practices.
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Post by gamedog on Jul 18, 2006 14:06:28 GMT -6
Leading coaches to spend less time in full gear is another conspiracy theory of mine why the spread is so trendy. lol.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 23, 2006 17:09:48 GMT -6
gamedog..when you think about it though...that is actually a plus to the spread /long handoff philosophy. They can simulate practice at a higher level than power I teams can.
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kdcoach
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Post by kdcoach on Jul 25, 2006 6:35:25 GMT -6
We hydrate at every drill. In other words every drill will have 3-4 water bottles and the kids are made to drink while they drill. After your rep get a shot or two of water. Over the last two years I can't tell you how much time this has saved us as well as the kids staying completely hydrated and focused. I have had several parents come to me and tell me that they are sending gallon water jugs with their kids to practice and they come home almost full. The parents ask if I won't let them drink it and the kids respond that they drink so much during practice that they don't want it. We also give them Gatorade during breaks between the sessions. We have 3 sessions during the day. Full pads, helmets only, and shells for the last one. We break for a couple hours between each session to feed, water & film. Our managers run the bottles back and forth to be filled to save us more time.
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Post by hchscoachtom on Jul 25, 2006 20:05:49 GMT -6
One trainer in our area uses this rule of thumb for rehydrating.
Weigh players before practice and after.
Each pound lost = 16oz. of fluid to be consumed.
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Post by spreadattack on Jul 25, 2006 21:16:32 GMT -6
This is very important: sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/ncaa/07/18/missouri.death.ap/index.htmlA lawsuit against the coaches and school for a player who died during football training has charged that the coaches were unfamiliar with sickle-cell anemia, and were thus negligent (and liable for his death). I think there would have to be some success before a similar suit were filed against a high-school coach, but I certainly am no expert on sickle-cell anemia. I'd hate to think of a kid dropping dead because of my lack of knowledge, and I certainly don't want to be liable for a wrongful death action because I was unfamiliar with it.
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Post by phantom on Jul 25, 2006 21:37:47 GMT -6
If the people in the program didn't know that he had sickle cell trait it's hard to see how they can be blamed.
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