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Post by coachcalande on Dec 21, 2007 14:51:48 GMT -6
...or is that just a comment made to excuse a coach from going to clinics and reading or watching videos to gain knowledge of his craft???
I honestly get really irked when a coach says something like that....sort of like a mechanic saying "im really not into engine parts"...
know what I mean?
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Post by tog on Dec 21, 2007 14:55:35 GMT -6
never heard it from anyone i have coached around
some of them might not have been that is for sure but none of them were stupid enough to say that out loud
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Post by coachorr on Dec 21, 2007 15:03:13 GMT -6
Coach, I have heard it before and I am not really sure what they mean other than they aren't really too worried about the details and are more into the grand scheme of things. Doesn't make any sense to me.
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 21, 2007 15:10:42 GMT -6
I would venture it could mean that a coach is more interested in building player relationships, making sure the boys develop into men, teaching values and ethics etc, than drawing up how to block the down play vs. an under front.
It could also mean he is more interested in blocking and tackling than in drawing up lines on a white board. He might be a coach who feels that WHATEVER the X'S AND O'S that are drawn up are...that blocking or tackling is vastly more important.
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Post by coachcalande on Dec 21, 2007 15:11:01 GMT -6
I think its most often from the guy who can run a bunch of drills that may or may not fit the scheme...or condition kids or talk about "just hit someone" or "ygotta want it"...but I just dont get it. each to his own I guess.
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Post by coachcalande on Dec 21, 2007 15:12:37 GMT -6
I would venture it could mean that a coach is more interested in building player relationships, making sure the boys develop into men, teaching values and ethics etc, than drawing up how to block the down play vs. an under front. It could also mean he is more interested in blocking and tackling than in drawing up lines on a white board. He might be a coach who feels that WHATEVER the X'S AND O'S that are drawn up are...that blocking or tackling is vastly more important. maybe , but arent we all expected to do those things???
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 21, 2007 15:19:13 GMT -6
yes, just as we all do "x's and o's". Key words are "more interested". All coaches have things they are more interested in. Some coaches are more interested in the FOOTBALL aspect of the job. Some are more interested in the hidden curriculum items. Some coaches are more interested in their scheme than other aspects of the game.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Dec 21, 2007 15:27:21 GMT -6
Funny... I actually said that today (talking with our girls BB coach... many complaints...l long story- no need to go in to that here... love that part about being A.D. ). I told him that about myself (then I elaborated) meaning: The important things are: team unity, team chemistry, team workmanship... basically THE TEAM. Our girls are having a problem with that and he keeps trying new schemes, but the issue is that the girls are catty and do not work well together. I said that about ourselves (my team this year), because we will run the same play over and over, be boring and do what we need to do to get by (Win). With a bunch like his (or ours... that lacks talent and leadership), have strong team unity, be disciplined, eliminate mistakes and be patient and force the opponent to become impatient, thus leading to their mistakes (Sun Tzu Art of War type stuff). We had a Freshman QB starting on the varsity, another freshman starter, and 4 sophs. starting... we had to be pretty vanilla and we were, so that is what I meant by that. I knew a "new scheme" was not the answer... making leaders out of our seniors, making our freshmen confident, making our team strong by a lot of leadership/goal setting type of activities WAS the answer. Probably not the right way to summarize all that... but I'll admit I did say it (though I consider myself consumed with Xs/Os... I don't think I'm very good, as the only person I've ever outcoached was me).
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Post by elkabong on Dec 21, 2007 15:30:48 GMT -6
So where is this thread supposed to be headed?
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Post by crl on Dec 21, 2007 15:35:44 GMT -6
Where I come from it means you´ll soon be out of job.
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Post by coachcalande on Dec 21, 2007 15:36:15 GMT -6
just making conversation, nobody has to read it of course....it struck a nerve with me when I heard a coach say that. His team was 1-9.
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 21, 2007 15:47:06 GMT -6
Just an aside--I would much rather work for a coach who admits he isn't an x and o guy (and concentrates on his strengths, be it program development etc. ), than to work with a guy who thinks he is an X and O guy,
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Post by tog on Dec 21, 2007 15:52:51 GMT -6
saying that in the circles i have been in would lead to ridicule it's like saying
"i don't try hard to learn the game"
i totally get all the other stuff you guys are saying about it and agree
i have never actually heard anyone say it much less say it in the positive way you guys are
if anyone did say it it would be looked down upon in the way calande is
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Dec 21, 2007 16:02:51 GMT -6
"Even though you are competent, appear to be incompetent. Though effective, appear to be ineffective."--- Sun Tzu
I say some pretty dumb things a lot (I'll have you think they were all on purpose... all part of my grand scheme).
.it struck a nerve with me when I heard a coach say that. His team was 1-9.
THAT certainly doesn't help my argument... especially the 1-9 part.
Obviously context and tone have a lot to do with meaning.
A 13-0 guy says it... not much of a problem (probably many other coaches will decide that schemes are just not important and will change their philosophy).
0-9 guy says it.... IDIOT!
(Not sure what I'm accomplishing on this thread... but after the day here... I need to unwind a bit)
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Post by coachcalande on Dec 21, 2007 16:20:50 GMT -6
I understand a guy wanting to focus on team building, motivation, spirituality, brotherhood, togetherness, work ethic , core values etc...without a doubt THATS A HUGE PART OF COACHING...maybe we should list the components of coaching...xs and os has to be part of it , unless you hire coordinators to do all that for ya?... ....now that I think about it, its probably good that some coaches dont get into the xs and os and just focus on what they do well. Every staff needs guys to do the dirty work well. I guess it just stunned me that a HC could basically be lost in the xs and os department.
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 21, 2007 16:26:02 GMT -6
Not sure if "not an x and o guy" means they are lost in the x and o department. It could mean that is not what they enjoy most about football. For some coaches, the deciding factor in a job might be that they know they will be helping a certain segment of the population that needs it. For others, it might be that they get to run the dbl wing offense.
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Post by airraider on Dec 21, 2007 16:28:20 GMT -6
I have been told that I was a good X's and O's guy.. which made me wonder what that meant.. in terms of.. well does that mean that I am not good in the other areas?
I feel that sometimes when a guy comes straight out of college where he was a player and gets a job.. he might not be a great X's and O's guy.. but might be a great fundamental guy..
I think overall you need to be good at X's and O's Communication Fundamentals Management (game and team) Organization
and other things of course.. but those stick out to me..
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Post by coachcalande on Dec 21, 2007 16:31:46 GMT -6
...or it could mean that they REALLY ARE LOST in the xs and os department and:
dont know how to veer block dont know how to diagram or teach a trap blocking scheme dont do anything other than base block...everything use defense of the week and offense of the week...
....know what I am saying?
I just cant imagine being a head coach and not having a good understanding of the tactics we are using on the field? How would you like to go to war with a General in command who is clueless in military tactics? I dunno, it just struck a nerve...maybe I misinterpreted it...actually, I do recall one of my former bosses saying to me that he was big into reading about motivation and the mental approach to coaching athletes, sports psychology....he was pretty lost when it came to xs and os....and it kinda showed. lol. I know for me personally, Im always trying to learn what other offenses are designed to do and what other defenses are designed to do, also I personally think that it takes a couple of years of running something to really get it when it comes to all of its strengths and weaknesses.
good discussion actually...no offense meant to those who arent xs and os guys, just help me understand what it means to you . That is all...
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Post by coachcalande on Dec 21, 2007 16:33:27 GMT -6
I have been told that I was a good X's and O's guy.. which made me wonder what that meant.. in terms of.. well does that mean that I am not good in the other areas? I feel that sometimes when a guy comes straight out of college where he was a player and gets a job.. he might not be a great X's and O's guy.. but might be a great fundamental guy.. I think overall you need to be good at X's and O's Communication Fundamentals Management (game and team) Organization and other things of course.. but those stick out to me.. I remember sitting in a clinic and the college guy up front made mention that he wasnt going to discuss xs and os, half the room cleared out...he pointed out that most of the guys who left were young guys. he pointed out too that most of us would really focus on xs and os early in our career....made sense to me.
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Post by coachcalande on Dec 21, 2007 16:38:09 GMT -6
saying that in the circles i have been in would lead to ridicule it's like saying "i don't try hard to learn the game" i totally get all the other stuff you guys are saying about it and agree i have never actually heard anyone say it much less say it in the positive way you guys are if anyone did say it it would be looked down upon in the way calande is I think there are guys who will modestly say " its not my strong suit" or whatever...but to not be "into it" is sort of an alarm to me...I know there are many assistants who are satisfied with being assistants and being rah rah "just hit somebody" types...and thats fine, theres a place for them...but when i hear a hc say that its not his thing...stunning to me. Time will tell if he can be successful in his methods. so far...eh, not so good.
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 21, 2007 17:04:33 GMT -6
How can you assume ANY methodology based on a short phrase?
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Post by brophy on Dec 21, 2007 17:11:39 GMT -6
i guess this goes to show how awesome you really are and how much everyone else sucks.
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Post by kw on Dec 21, 2007 17:12:51 GMT -6
NO SH#T!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2007 17:20:56 GMT -6
Coachd5085 has the best post here. If you aren't sure of his meaning, ask him. He may have a great reason for saying (I'd say unlikely, but you never know) or he may truely have a {censored} poor reason. Going back to Calande's orginal post, I've never heard that line as a reason to get out of going to clinics.
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Post by saintrad on Dec 21, 2007 17:31:54 GMT -6
I guess the way I read it is thus - maybe he isnt into the playbook factor of coaching, but more of the nuts & bolts (teaching the trap block, tackling, whatever). Maybe he sees a playbook as just lines on a page UNLESS he knows how to install, practice and teach that scheme.
How can you assume ANY methodology based on a short phrase?
i guess this can also fit with the saying that "I am a spread coach," or "I am a double winger."
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Post by coachcalande on Dec 21, 2007 18:11:08 GMT -6
How can you assume ANY methodology based on a short phrase? what?
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Post by coachcalande on Dec 21, 2007 18:17:42 GMT -6
I relate it to "im not really into the spread" but I have to go study it or it will kick my butt if I dont!
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Post by coachcalande on Dec 21, 2007 18:18:53 GMT -6
i guess this goes to show how awesome you really are and how much everyone else sucks. cyberstalker, you are so right. I didnt realize that is just what I was saying! I do rock.
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Post by coachcalande on Dec 21, 2007 18:26:28 GMT -6
Just curious, did you cut and paste that too?
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Post by coachcalande on Dec 21, 2007 18:31:26 GMT -6
does anyone have any good cartoons of cyberstalkers sitting at the computer plotting their next move???
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