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Post by fantom on Mar 7, 2023 10:42:36 GMT -6
Cali/Texas/Fla Tier 1 GA/SC/Bama/Ohio(maybe...) Tier 2 DC/PA/LA/MS/OK/MI Tier 3 DC?
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Post by raider92 on Mar 7, 2023 11:26:03 GMT -6
I think Georgia deserves some mention for how rapidly it has become an elite football state. There's always been good football in Georgia but over the last decade or so it has become a legit tier 1 type state along with TX/FL/CA.
I watch a ton of HS football and I'd say more or less there is really good football everywhere. What seems to change most state to state is the depth, both of talent on individual teams and the number of good teams, as well as the top end talent that the elite programs have. A lot of that can be tied to passion for football. More passion = more kids out and a bigger pool to draw talent from as well as more physically developed kids as passionate kids are going to in the weight room more.
One of the things that I always found interesting back when I coached college football was how little it seemed to matter where a guy played HS ball. We had big time studs from TX and CA that came in as coveted recruits and were just average college players, or even subpar players. We also had local guys from small towns in the midwest who were just "good" high school players who ended up being good or great college players and much better than the "studs" that we recruited from elsewhere.
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Post by tripsclosed on Mar 7, 2023 11:39:47 GMT -6
Anyone coached in Oklahoma? Been some big time programs and names there at least
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Post by coachdmyers on Mar 7, 2023 11:50:03 GMT -6
Cali/Texas/Fla Tier 1 GA/SC/Bama/Ohio(maybe...) Tier 2 DC/PA/LA/MS/OK/MI Tier 3 DC? Maybe he means the other Washington?
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Post by IronmanFootball on Mar 7, 2023 11:56:53 GMT -6
In your OBJECTIVE opinion, which state has the highest quality of HS football, please? Let me tell you this. I hadn't coached/been to a HS games since 2019. Went to a game this past October, I was like wow were we also this bad to watch? Bad snaps, penalties, chuck & duck offense... woof it was bad.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Mar 7, 2023 11:58:13 GMT -6
Florida is going to keep losing top coaches like that. When Darlington left Apopka that’s when it really sunk in for me that Florida was behind. Darlington has returned twice. Yeah he's back, back at D-Land this time.
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Post by fantom on Mar 7, 2023 12:01:12 GMT -6
In your OBJECTIVE opinion, which state has the highest quality of HS football, please? Let me tell you this. I hadn't coached/been to a HS games since 2019. Went to a game this past October, I was like wow were we also this bad to watch? Bad snaps, penalties, chuck & duck offense... woof it was bad. The answer is probably yes.
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Post by blb on Mar 7, 2023 13:39:38 GMT -6
If you coach in a state where you have to line the fields or drive bus - I don't care how good the talent is.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Mar 7, 2023 13:51:14 GMT -6
I didn't read through all the comments, but IMO California has the best top end talent. However, there is a major gap between the top teams and mid level teams. This is because all-star teams are becoming the norm around these parts.
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Post by joelee on Mar 7, 2023 16:15:46 GMT -6
Are you asking which state has the best #5 team in that state? #10 #50 #100 #200?
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Post by wingtol on Mar 7, 2023 17:27:25 GMT -6
Cali/Texas/Fla Tier 1 GA/SC/Bama/Ohio(maybe...) Tier 2 DC/PA/LA/MS/OK/MI Tier 3 DC? Washington DC Area
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Post by fantom on Mar 7, 2023 21:23:30 GMT -6
I get it. They aren't actually in DC but MD or VA.
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Post by carookie on Mar 7, 2023 21:29:07 GMT -6
I'll give a shout out to the Phoenix suburbs in Arizona.
I've mostly spent my time coaching in Southern California, but did spend several years in the suburbs out there. They won't have the depth as some larger states, and when you get outside the Phoenix suburbs there is a usual dropoff, but their top 5-10 year in and year out can compete with most any states.
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Post by rosi on Mar 8, 2023 6:18:48 GMT -6
Are you asking which state has the best #5 team in that state? #10 #50 #100 #200? no, as I already mentioned. I'm asking if I compare e.g. Champions go through the same levels (I don't know 1A-6A,...) from different states which teams will be better with a high probability. Many answers are: teams from TX.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 8, 2023 9:23:54 GMT -6
Classifications are a crapshoot. You can't really compare 2A in one state to 2A in another.
For instance the largest 1A in Georgia would be classified as a 5A in Alabama based on enrollment. The largest 2A in Georgia would be in the top half of 6A in Alabama.
I remember reading an article about De Le Salle back in the day talking about how it was a smaller school with only 1000 kids. All boys school. So that would have been like a 2000 student school in Alabama which would have made it one of the top 3 largest in the state. And it was considered "small" if I remember correctly.
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 8, 2023 11:34:12 GMT -6
Classifications are a crapshoot. You can't really compare 2A in one state to 2A in another. For instance the largest 1A in Georgia would be classified as a 5A in Alabama based on enrollment. The largest 2A in Georgia would be in the top half of 6A in Alabama. I remember reading an article about De Le Salle back in the day talking about how it was a smaller school with only 1000 kids. All boys school. So that would have been like a 2000 student school in Alabama which would have made it one of the top 3 largest in the state. And it was considered "small" if I remember correctly. Yes- and then keep in mind the recruiting/select enrollment factor for all schools too. When little Evangel Christian (total enrollment around 300 Co-ed students grades 9-12) was beating the giant texas schools , it wasn’t quite as great an accomplishment as one would think given that 20-25 of the students were there specifically to play ball
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Post by mattharris75 on Mar 9, 2023 19:48:46 GMT -6
Just as a point of information, here are the top 10 states for players ranked in the On3 top 300 players for 2024.
Texas: 54
Florida: 44
Georgia: 32
California: 22
Alabama:19
Louisiana: 15
Ohio: 10
Virginia: 10
North Carolina: 9
Missouri: 8
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Post by silkyice on Mar 10, 2023 12:09:47 GMT -6
Just as a point of information, here are the top 10 states for players ranked in the On3 top 300 players for 2024. Texas: 54 1.8 ppm Florida: 44 1.97 Georgia: 32 California: 22 0.56 ppm Alabama:19 3.8 ppm Louisiana: 15 3.3 ppm Ohio: 10 0.85 ppm Virginia: 10 1.1 ppm North Carolina: 9 0.85 ppm Missouri: 8 1.3 ppm Rates of Players Per Million Texas: 1.8 ppm Florida: 1.97 ppm Georgia: 2.9 ppm California: 0.56 ppm Alabama: 3.8 ppm Louisiana: 3.3 ppm Ohio: 0.85 ppm Virginia: 1.1 ppm North Carolina: 0.85 ppm Missouri: 1.3 ppm
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Post by coachdmyers on Mar 10, 2023 12:46:27 GMT -6
Just as a point of information, here are the top 10 states for players ranked in the On3 top 300 players for 2024. Texas: 54 1.8 ppm Florida: 44 1.97 Georgia: 32 California: 22 2.9 ppm Alabama:19 3.8 ppm Louisiana: 15 3.3 ppm Ohio: 10 0.85 ppm Virginia: 10 1.1 ppm North Carolina: 9 0.85 ppm Missouri: 8 1.3 ppm Rates of Players Per Million Texas: 1.8 ppm Florida: 1.97 ppm Georgia: 2.9 ppm California: 2.9 ppm Alabama: 3.8 ppm Louisiana: 3.3 ppm Ohio: 0.85 ppm Virginia: 1.1 ppm North Carolina: 0.85 ppm Missouri: 1.3 ppm I like this better than the first one but we'd need a much larger data set than one year to draw any conclusions.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 10, 2023 13:04:19 GMT -6
Just as a point of information, here are the top 10 states for players ranked in the On3 top 300 players for 2024. Texas: 54 1.8 ppm Florida: 44 1.97 Georgia: 32 California: 22 2.9 ppm Alabama:19 3.8 ppm Louisiana: 15 3.3 ppm Ohio: 10 0.85 ppm Virginia: 10 1.1 ppm North Carolina: 9 0.85 ppm Missouri: 8 1.3 ppm Rates of Players Per Million Texas: 1.8 ppm Florida: 1.97 ppm Georgia: 2.9 ppm California: 0.56 ppm Alabama: 3.8 ppm Louisiana: 3.3 ppm Ohio: 0.85 ppm Virginia: 1.1 ppm North Carolina: 0.85 ppm Missouri: 1.3 ppm Whoops. Mistyped California.
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Post by creid on Mar 10, 2023 13:14:29 GMT -6
A quick scan shows 79 schools with 3000+ schools in TX and 15 over 4000 (I may be + or - a couple in my count), plus they require all coaches be school district employees, and they have year round football class and all of the coaches with the kids every day. Add in the indoor facilities and 18 days of spring practice. There are some impressive operations down there. This does not mean elite programs around the country could not compete, but the volume of schools that size and what they do makes it tough to find a state with higher overall quality.
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Post by blb on Mar 10, 2023 13:20:46 GMT -6
Don't know about Missouri but I think every state on that list with exception of Ohio has Spring Football.
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Post by bulldogsdc on Mar 10, 2023 13:38:29 GMT -6
Virginia doesnt have spring football
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Post by fantom on Mar 10, 2023 14:24:56 GMT -6
Rates of Players Per Million Texas: 1.8 ppm Florida: 1.97 ppm Georgia: 2.9 ppm California: 2.9 ppm Alabama: 3.8 ppm Louisiana: 3.3 ppm Ohio: 0.85 ppm Virginia: 1.1 ppm North Carolina: 0.85 ppm Missouri: 1.3 ppm I like this better than the first one but we'd need a much larger data set than one year to draw any conclusions. This list isn't much different from similar lists that I've seen over the years.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 10, 2023 15:08:11 GMT -6
I like this better than the first one but we'd need a much larger data set than one year to draw any conclusions. This list isn't much different from similar lists that I've seen over the years. Make sure that you realize that I mistyped on California. It is 0.56 ppm.
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Post by coachcb on Mar 10, 2023 15:10:32 GMT -6
So, 'Bama, Louisiana and Georgia are the statistical hotbeds? How competitive is high school ball in Louisiana?
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 10, 2023 16:37:44 GMT -6
So, 'Bama, Louisiana and Georgia are the statistical hotbeds? How competitive is high school ball in Louisiana? Define “competitive”. At its zenith, Evangel Christian (about 250 kids 9-12 coed) smacked around the biggest Tx schools. John Curtis (about 200 kids 9-12 coed) beat Hoover when Probst was there. The state is probably like many in that in August there are six or seven teams realistically vying for a title. I would say, however, that individual talent probably shines above “ program” in general. Football is important in Louisiana - but not to the degree of Texas which requires coaches to be faculty and often find coaches, losing their teaching job for football related reasons.
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Post by carookie on Mar 10, 2023 17:41:23 GMT -6
Don't know about Missouri but I think every state on that list with exception of Ohio has Spring Football. I'm coming to the realization that Spring Football isn't really that important, in light of how many hours are put in during the summer. I find it hard to accept that Spring football is the key to making or breaking a team, at least when painting with a broad brush in evaluating the quality of football played within a state, when so much more work is done in summer. Our spring football will probably total about 25 hours, with upwards of half of our top athletes not there due to Spring sport commitments. Our summer will be 20 hours a week for 7 total weeks, with virtually all of our boys there. This is pretty much par for the course with the programs around here, essentially Spring ball is less than 1/5 the amount of time and work that Summer is; and has a lot of kids missing due to in-season sports.
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Post by coachwoodall on Mar 10, 2023 18:57:28 GMT -6
Don't know about Missouri but I think every state on that list with exception of Ohio has Spring Football. I'm coming to the realization that Spring Football isn't really that important, in light of how many hours are put in during the summer. I find it hard to accept that Spring football is the key to making or breaking a team, at least when painting with a broad brush in evaluating the quality of football played within a state, when so much more work is done in summer. Our spring football will probably total about 25 hours, with upwards of half of our top athletes not there due to Spring sport commitments. Our summer will be 20 hours a week for 7 total weeks, with virtually all of our boys there. This is pretty much par for the course with the programs around here, essentially Spring ball is less than 1/5 the amount of time and work that Summer is; and has a lot of kids missing due to in-season sports. THIS^ It is the summer drag that makes the thing work. You're better off haveing your athletes do other sports in winter and spring, and then gaining the extra time in the summer. As long as you have the in school time weight program, winter/spring football doesn't really matter much. Really... how much does a kid remember/carry over from March into September?
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Post by tog on Mar 10, 2023 23:07:38 GMT -6
Rates of Players Per Million Texas: 1.8 ppm Florida: 1.97 ppm Georgia: 2.9 ppm California: 2.9 ppm Alabama: 3.8 ppm Louisiana: 3.3 ppm Ohio: 0.85 ppm Virginia: 1.1 ppm North Carolina: 0.85 ppm Missouri: 1.3 ppm I like this better than the first one but we'd need a much larger data set than one year to draw any conclusions. this doesn't mean much to me thsca DOES
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