jaydub66
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Post by jaydub66 on Feb 7, 2020 9:47:51 GMT -6
This is NOT in game management but everything else, how you talk to players, parents, in school, out of school, etc.
What is the worst moment or the worst thing you've done as a coach that looking back at it, you say to yourself, "yeah, probably shouldn't of done that."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2020 9:53:09 GMT -6
Dumbest thing I have ever done is be the smartest man in the room. There is a time and place for everything. I have had numerous time where it was not the right time.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 7, 2020 10:21:24 GMT -6
Didn’t order food for the ride back of an away game. It was about a 1.5 hour trip back. Just didn’t think about it. This was 12 years ago.
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Post by wingt74 on Feb 7, 2020 11:24:55 GMT -6
Coach in the wisconsin area, and about 15 years ago I transferred from coaching in "greendale" for 4 years to cross town rival "greenfield"
end of season banquet, I started my speech off with..."I'm so happy to be a part of the greendale, I mean greenfield! program...got a nice round of boos.
Was there for 6 great years coaching youth till I got a HS gig, was a great time so worked out in the end, but wow, was embarrassed.
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Post by fantom on Feb 7, 2020 11:38:22 GMT -6
When I got in the pressbox once I couldn't find a pencil so I asked the "PA announcer" if I could borrow one. Turned out that he wasn't the PA announcer. He was a radio broadcaster doing the game, live, on the air.
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Post by blb on Feb 7, 2020 11:57:48 GMT -6
During practice slapped a kid on the side of the helmet out of frustration. Immediately felt remorseful. Only time I ever did anything like that, no excuse for it.
That was 30 years ago. Today I probably would've been fired, and rightfully so.
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Post by joelee on Feb 7, 2020 12:24:13 GMT -6
Just in general the first few years of my career I wasn't coaching for kids I was coaching for myself.
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Post by blackknight on Feb 7, 2020 12:39:57 GMT -6
Took my team from Sacramento, California to play a game in Idaho. Chartered bus. Planned lunch stop went well. Didn't really plan where to stop for dinner as I thought we would just stop some place to eat. Didn't realize there was no "someplace" for the last six hours! Arrived at our hotel at 11:00 p.m. with a lot of hungry kids and coaches!
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Post by IronmanFootball on Feb 8, 2020 6:44:52 GMT -6
I'm sure I've MF'ed a few people I haven't apologized to before practice was over.
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 8, 2020 7:27:18 GMT -6
I think the one thing I did that I think really hurt me and damaged the relationship I had with my players was the time I laid into our OL for being fat and lazy. Now, they were fat and lazy- they even had a contest to see who could gain the most weight and would compare to see who had the biggest gut. They did a host of other annoying things like see who could run sprints the slowest and who could lift the least. Most of them were Srs and going into the year we had planned to rely heavily on them to pave the way for our returning stud back.
But after we started 1-3 and they couldn't get out of a stance by the 4th quarter I lost it. Said a lot of things that was 100% true, and it wasn't anything I hadn't already said in different terms, but I angrily reduced it to some really harsh words and it's kind of bugged me since.
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Post by eaglemountie on Feb 8, 2020 15:39:23 GMT -6
Trusting the wrong people to do what they said they would do.
I'm not above making mistakes, I definitely have.
But the worst thing I ever did was give people trust that never should have been given it.
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Post by coachtua on Feb 8, 2020 22:04:06 GMT -6
Quit via text message. Some concerns I had with the offense and offensive staff were not addressed during the off-season. I went back and apologized to the HC and the rest of the staff a couple weeks later.
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Post by mariner42 on Feb 9, 2020 0:50:51 GMT -6
With regards to kids: I spent my first few seasons just kinda yelling a lot because I didn't know what else to do. Pretty lousy coach, all things considered. I yell far less now, results are better and I'm happier. Fewer tension headaches, too.
With regards to coaches: Let myself get bullied by an assistant who was way more confrontational than me, I should've let him go. Instead, things got worse and I got let go. I made lots of mistakes that year, but he was the mistake that really tanked things.
With regards to others: I broke up with the cheerleading coach, she left the school almost immediately, cheer program returned to the massive downhill slide it was in before they hired her. I've been a part of reviving two programs at our school and torpedoed a third. Really leaving my mark.
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Post by Defcord on Feb 9, 2020 12:47:39 GMT -6
I was a real assshole to a lot of people for a lot longer than I should have been. It was really just pure ego and either thinking my way was the only way to do something or just being too scared to just say I didn’t know and ask for help.
I yelled at kids and assistants far too often and almost always tried to justify it instead of apologizing and correcting it. That was probably the biggest thing.
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Post by wolverine55 on Feb 9, 2020 15:14:55 GMT -6
With regards to kids: I spent my first few seasons just kinda yelling a lot because I didn't know what else to do. Pretty lousy coach, all things considered. I yell far less now, results are better and I'm happier. Fewer tension headaches, too. With regards to coaches: Let myself get bullied by an assistant who was way more confrontational than me, I should've let him go. Instead, things got worse and I got let go. I made lots of mistakes that year, but he was the mistake that really tanked things. With regards to others: I broke up with the cheerleading coach, she left the school almost immediately, cheer program returned to the massive downhill slide it was in before they hired her. I've been a part of reviving two programs at our school and torpedoed a third. Really leaving my mark. I'll piggyback off the middle paragraph here. My first coaching job was at a 5A IL school, enrollment of 1100 or so. Big enough to where our freshmen practiced on a separate field and the sophs-seniors were on the other field. Well, while I wouldn't use the word bullied, a veteran coach almost every day would come up to me and go, "You know, coach, I don't think we really need indy today. Let's just go team." I knew my freshmen OL needed as much indy as possible, but being a younger coach I would cave to his wishes. Well, about middle of the year, the varsity guys wanted to see what exactly we had been doing in practice as we were struggling at the freshmen level, so we all did our drills together. It became apparent rather quickly my guys hadn't been doing much if any indy as the varsity OL was calling out the every day drills and my guys didn't even know what a couple of them were. In general, my first coaching and teaching job was a godsend but I was young and foolish and didn't take advantage of the opportunity to learn from some great coaches and teachers in that district.
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Post by wolverine55 on Feb 9, 2020 15:27:22 GMT -6
I think the one thing I did that I think really hurt me and damaged the relationship I had with my players was the time I laid into our OL for being fat and lazy. Now, they were fat and lazy- they even had a contest to see who could gain the most weight and would compare to see who had the biggest gut. They did a host of other annoying things like see who could run sprints the slowest and who could lift the least. Most of them were Srs and going into the year we had planned to rely heavily on them to pave the way for our returning stud back. But after we started 1-3 and they couldn't get out of a stance by the 4th quarter I lost it. Said a lot of things that was 100% true, and it wasn't anything I hadn't already said in different terms, but I angrily reduced it to some really harsh words and it's kind of bugged me since. I basically did this exact same thing to a group of similar sounding linemen one year when we went 0-9. They should have been the strength of our team and instead were very soft and didn't work very hard. But, for reasons I'm still unsure of, I waited until halftime of Week 9 (their senior night since we were home) to let my frustrations out on them. For me, it's not so much what I said, because like you, everything was true. I just have no explanation why it took me until halftime of the Week 9 game to do so. While still probably wrong, if I had done so midseason, maybe I could have lit a fire to force some more productive play down the stretch.
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Post by aceback76 on Feb 9, 2020 16:15:46 GMT -6
Hiring an Assistant who became DISLOYAL & caused CANCER on the team until I fired him (needed a more thorough background check before hiring him).
MORAL OF STORY: You can teach a bank clerk to add & subtract, but you can't teach him to be HONEST!
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Post by 19delta on Feb 9, 2020 17:56:33 GMT -6
Just in general the first few years of my career I wasn't coaching for kids I was coaching for myself. Yep. Me too. And was a complete jackass while doing it. I wince when I think back about what an a$$hole I was. Like Michael Scott-level cringe.
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Post by carookie on Feb 9, 2020 21:59:28 GMT -6
With regards to kids: I spent my first few seasons just kinda yelling a lot because I didn't know what else to do. Pretty lousy coach, all things considered. I yell far less now, results are better and I'm happier. Fewer tension headaches, too. With regards to coaches: Let myself get bullied by an assistant who was way more confrontational than me, I should've let him go. Instead, things got worse and I got let go. I made lots of mistakes that year, but he was the mistake that really tanked things. With regards to others: I broke up with the cheerleading coach, she left the school almost immediately, cheer program returned to the massive downhill slide it was in before they hired her. I've been a part of reviving two programs at our school and torpedoed a third. Really leaving my mark. I'll piggyback off the middle paragraph here. My first coaching job was at a 5A IL school, enrollment of 1100 or so. Big enough to where our freshmen practiced on a separate field and the sophs-seniors were on the other field. Well, while I wouldn't use the word bullied, a veteran coach almost every day would come up to me and go, "You know, coach, I don't think we really need indy today. Let's just go team." I knew my freshmen OL needed as much indy as possible, but being a younger coach I would cave to his wishes. Well, about middle of the year, the varsity guys wanted to see what exactly we had been doing in practice as we were struggling at the freshmen level, so we all did our drills together. It became apparent rather quickly my guys hadn't been doing much if any indy as the varsity OL was calling out the every day drills and my guys didn't even know what a couple of them were. In general, my first coaching and teaching job was a godsend but I was young and foolish and didn't take advantage of the opportunity to learn from some great coaches and teachers in that district. My first year coaching HS I got hired to teach at a pretty rugged school. The varsity HC was brand new to the school and brought nobody in on his own (inherited everyone). His varsity staff was solid, but the frosh/soph staff was me (new to the school), the school's security guard, and the returning Head Frosh coach who was just some guy from the community. I begged for just 5 min for indy time a day, but rarely got it. Our practice was warm ups, running, dive for fumbles, then an hour of team. We were awful, and I constantly begged for indy time; eventually went above dude's head to the varsity HC. The frosh HC did one practice of with indy, then back to his old ways. I honestly think he just had no clue what to teach in an indy period and didn't want to be made the fool. The Vars. HC was too busy dealing with the upper level to say anything though.
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Post by coachcb on Feb 10, 2020 14:22:44 GMT -6
We had a game seven hours from home and we were driving half the way the day before and spending the night in a hotel. We were driving four hours that night so I called in a big dinner order at a burger place; we planned on just picking it up there and getting back on the road. There's only TWO of those friggin' burger places in the whole state and I placed the order with the wrong one; on the other side of the damn state.
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Post by 19delta on Feb 10, 2020 20:10:25 GMT -6
We had a game seven hours from home and we were driving half the way the day before and spending the night in a hotel. We were driving four hours that night so I called in a big dinner order at a burger place; we planned on just picking it up there and getting back on the road. There's only TWO of those friggin' burger places in the whole state and I placed the order with the wrong one; on the other side of the damn state. That's tough. Did you have to pay for the food you ordered?
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Post by shocktroop34 on Feb 10, 2020 20:41:46 GMT -6
First of all, this is a great thread. Second, knowing some of you guys and your online personalities, it's cool to see some of the transparency that I wish our profession showed more often. Last, some of these stories literally have me laughing out loud. Unfortunately, here's mine:
My first year as a HC. We were bad, 1-7 at the time. Playing our rival in the last game of the year. They were 0-8. We were up big on them, like 42-0. 4th quarter, I had subs in, but it was a 4th down, and I didn't want to punt. On our own 40 yd. line, I call a reverse and tell the kid to get the first and run out of bounds.
Yep, you guessed it...that kids sees nothing but green grass, and hauls a$$ to the endzone. The kid felt bad that he got caught up in the moment. It was a moment that I put him in. I literally wanted to crawl under a rock. The handshake line with the opposing team was NOT pretty. It was the first time, if I could have given the game back, I would have.
To add salt to the wound, our camera broke and I had to ask them for their film the next day. If I was the opposing coach would have laughed my a$$ into a coma, but their coach was a class dude. I apologized profusely and even wrote a letter to their principal apologizing.
I know a lot of guys have the 'well they have to stop you' mentality. This was a small-town rivalry. It wasn't a good look at all. Everyone else got over it pretty quickly. I still carry it.
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Post by option1st on Feb 10, 2020 21:18:08 GMT -6
Had a Rb my first year that was a freak but total head case. I poured my heart and soul into this kid. He was my project. I got him through the entire summer with no real disciplinary issues and no absences. HC who had dealt with him previous years was looking at me like the whisper. Week of our first game of the season, and against our biggest rival, he skips a practice.
I was shocked, he had been a model citizen, why the hell now. I couldn’t believe it. Mistake: I picked up my phone and sent the kid a text. Said nothing inappropriate but let him know how disappointed I was in him and assured him of the discipline he would face upon return. The next day at school he tells everyone he’s quitting because the coaches don’t want him on the team and because he feels sorry for himself due to the discipline he would face. He cited my text as the reason he was quitting.
New coaches: don’t “text” a kid if it’s an important/serious matter. That must be dealt with face-to-face and thoroughly talked through. Proud to say I haven’t and won’t repeat that mistake.
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Post by coachcb on Feb 11, 2020 7:07:33 GMT -6
We had a game seven hours from home and we were driving half the way the day before and spending the night in a hotel. We were driving four hours that night so I called in a big dinner order at a burger place; we planned on just picking it up there and getting back on the road. There's only TWO of those friggin' burger places in the whole state and I placed the order with the wrong one; on the other side of the damn state. That's tough. Did you have to pay for the food you ordered?
We had a voucher from the school; nothing was paid for ahead of time. So, my butt was saved there.. It worked out in the end; I explained my screw-up to the manager of the other burger joint and they whipped up a ton of dinners for us in about 45 minutes. But, it added 45 minutes onto an already long drive.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Feb 11, 2020 7:12:39 GMT -6
I'd say: most embarrassing moment: dealing with a state-wide uprising against our high school athletic organization and referee organizations stemming from my ejection from a game...it was a total $hit-show. Long story in short- it must have ripped open some public wounds and people used my incident as a springboard. It was my first and only ejection in football...but it was a big one.
worst moment: early in my career focusing on plays, schemes, and logistics MORE than what the kids' need to be successful...I robbed many kids of the experience of high school football that they get now under a more mature coach. When I see those guys now I am compelled to let them know how I feel and apologize. Many of them don't see that I did anything wrong, but I live with it everyday.
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Post by mnike23 on Feb 11, 2020 7:39:56 GMT -6
left a job in ISS to "help out admin" and be a dean of discipline........ 8hrs of hudl to 8hrs of no hudl, or espn or shining the seat of a chair with my A$$..... probably the poorest choice ive made. now dumb, ehhh....im not hijacking the thread with things that ive done dumb. list would go on for awhile. haahaa. nobodys perfect, we all do things at the time fell like they are right and for the right reason. old man told me 1 time, hindsight isnt 20/20, its more like 50/50.
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 11, 2020 7:45:26 GMT -6
left a job in ISS to "help out admin" and be a dean of discipline........ 8hrs of hudl to 8hrs of no hudl, or espn or shining the seat of a chair with my A$$..... probably the poorest choice ive made. now dumb, ehhh....im not hijacking the thread with things that ive done dumb. list would go on for awhile. haahaa. nobodys perfect, we all do things at the time fell like they are right and for the right reason. old man told me 1 time, hindsight isnt 20/20, its more like 50/50. Never heard a story that ended happily when it begins with the administration asking you to help them.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 11, 2020 8:03:12 GMT -6
I'd say: most embarrassing moment: dealing with a state-wide uprising against our high school athletic organization and referee organizations stemming from my ejection from a game...it was a total $hit-show. Long story in short- it must have ripped open some public wounds and people used my incident as a springboard. It was my first and only ejection in football...but it was a big one. Can't drop that in this thread and not expect someone to ask for details on this one. So, details?
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Post by kylem56 on Feb 11, 2020 9:13:40 GMT -6
Hiring an Assistant who became DISLOYAL & caused CANCER on the team until I fired him (needed a more thorough background check before hiring him). MORAL OF STORY: You can teach a bank clerk to add & subtract, but you can't teach him to be HONEST! bingo! I hired an alum and had a bad feeling after his first year. Still brought him back cause I thought we could work through it. Ended up blowing up in my face. First year head coaches: stay away from I-me-my guys
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Post by aceback76 on Feb 11, 2020 9:16:09 GMT -6
Hiring an Assistant who became DISLOYAL & caused CANCER on the team until I fired him (needed a more thorough background check before hiring him). MORAL OF STORY: You can teach a bank clerk to add & subtract, but you can't teach him to be HONEST! bingo! I hired an alum and had a bad feeling after his first year. Still brought him back cause I thought we could work through it. Ended up blowing up in my face. First year head coaches: stay away from I-me-my guys I stress THIS: Loyalty Pledge By: Elbert Kim Hubbard If you work for a man In heavens name, work for him, Speak well of him, And stand by the institution that he represents. Remember, an ounce of loyalty Is worth a pound of cleverness. If you must growl, condemn, And eternally find fault, Why resign your position? But when you are on the outside, Damn to your heart’s content. But as long as you are a part of the institution, Do not condemn it. For if you do, The first high wind that comes along Will blow you away And probably you will never know why.
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