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Post by pvogel on Jan 13, 2020 13:10:27 GMT -6
Except the WRs... If you want great live work for the OL/RBs/QB in blitz pickup then it is pretty easy to do it in a blitz pickup period while the WRs do Indy. But you will get less reps for them by going full team pass. I get the logic behind it but I just believe we get better mileage splitting it like this: Tuesday: - 1/2 field skelly, OL Indy - and then a blitz pickup session with OL/RBs/QB. Someone runs a route, QB steps up in pocket and stands tall until the whistle and then throws the route. Wednesday: - Full Field Skelly, with OL/RBs doing BPU during this time Our schedule is actually pretty similar to yours. Monday - skill has skelly, OL indy Tuesday - skill has skelly, OL indy Wednesday - WR/QB routes on air, OL/RB blitz pick up, followed by a full team BPU/Skelly Thursday - Just full team BPU/Skelly I fight to get more OL/RB group time *with the QB* but hard to fit in when we already have Inside Run and someone needs to throw passes for routes on air. Occasionally the RB coach and I will combine for our start of practice Indy too. This! I'm always trying to keep RBs with OL as much as possible. They oughta be super close. We only have the QB do inside run one day (it would be Weds if you're looking at our schedule). Otherwise we do Inside Run with the running backs either handing off to each other *OR* we just line them up and put a ball in both hands. They still have to do the footwork and read the hole and everything. Just an added level of ball security. |
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Post by newhope on Jan 16, 2020 9:12:00 GMT -6
We have all heard that 7v7 is “not real football.” If that is the case, should we still be doing it? I am thinking about eliminating 7v7 scrimmages in the summer and 7v7 periods in practice. I am beginning to think that it builds more poor habits than good habits for my QB. Our kid looks really good in 7v7 periods but IMO it did not translate to game situation. In 7v7 he gets the ball out on time and goes through his progression but I think the “visual noise” of a pass rush is really disruptive to him. Instead of having a 7v7 period we would have a 11v11 pass/screen period. No blitzes but just a standard pass rush. We would still have a Pass Under Pressure (P.U.P.) period where we work against blitzes with no defensive backs. Has anyone here ever completely eliminated 7v7? I would really appreciate getting to hear your opinions on this. Not eliminating it in the summer--but have changed how we do it. Now we host all of our own 7 on 7s, bring in the right opponents, and use it as a teaching time. We don't keep score. We practice against someone else who does things different from us. Keeps us out of bad habits as long we coach them up on proper techniques. In practice, we build with it. We start with routes on air, then 7 on 7, then what we call PUP (11 on 11, pass under pressure). As we get into the season, less 7 on 7, more PUP. It all comes down to coaching what you want. |
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Post by silkyice on Jan 16, 2020 9:48:57 GMT -6
We always have these 7 on 7 discussions.
I really think this would "solve" most of the problems of 7 on 7.
Just play real football minus blocking and tackling (one hand touch). And one more rule. A receiver cannot run a route through the tackle box. Meaning the RB can't just run right over the center and turn around for a 1 yard catch when it is 3rd and 1 or on the 1 yard line. Just put two cones where the tackles are.
And yes, this means you can run. But you have no blocking, so run at your own risk. This keeps LB's honest and adds play action and rpo's back in.
And yes, this means first downs are at 10 yards. And yes, this means no stupid points for a stop or interception or whatever. Just play.
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Post by blockdownkickout on Jan 16, 2020 12:46:21 GMT -6
We changed our philosophy on 7on7 this year and I think it made a huge difference. We do a short 7on7 on Tuesday just to see our basic routes against what our opponent likes to do. But Wednesday is where we do something different. It's Competition Wednesday. Here's how it goes. It's full speed best on best 7on7 for the skill guys. We run our own stuff on both sides of the ball. I know it doesn't help with game planning but throwing and catching is throwing and catching. Then we have three offensive linemen and three defensive linemen. They are doing live pass rush. So the DL is rushing the QB. Their job is to run by the QB and to a coach standing behind him. If the QB cannot throw it at the top of his drop or if one of the DL beats the OL off the snap then the defense wins the rep. But the rep isn't over. The QB immediately has to leave the pocket, the linemen are dead and it is scramble drill. We blast music during this session. The OL and DL coaches talk an insane amount of trash. Our DC runs all of his more exotic coverages. If he's ever going to experiment, this is when he does it. It was a great session this year and we made a ton of plays in scramble situations.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 16, 2020 13:08:16 GMT -6
We changed our philosophy on 7on7 this year and I think it made a huge difference. We do a short 7on7 on Tuesday just to see our basic routes against what our opponent likes to do. But Wednesday is where we do something different. It's Competition Wednesday. Here's how it goes. It's full speed best on best 7on7 for the skill guys. We run our own stuff on both sides of the ball. I know it doesn't help with game planning but throwing and catching is throwing and catching. Then we have three offensive linemen and three defensive linemen. They are doing live pass rush. So the DL is rushing the QB. Their job is to run by the QB and to a coach standing behind him. If the QB cannot throw it at the top of his drop or if one of the DL beats the OL off the snap then the defense wins the rep. But the rep isn't over. The QB immediately has to leave the pocket, the linemen are dead and it is scramble drill. We blast music during this session. The OL and DL coaches talk an insane amount of trash. Our DC runs all of his more exotic coverages. If he's ever going to experiment, this is when he does it. It was a great session this year and we made a ton of plays in scramble situations. How long was the period usually? |
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Post by blockdownkickout on Jan 17, 2020 9:03:23 GMT -6
We changed our philosophy on 7on7 this year and I think it made a huge difference. We do a short 7on7 on Tuesday just to see our basic routes against what our opponent likes to do. But Wednesday is where we do something different. It's Competition Wednesday. Here's how it goes. It's full speed best on best 7on7 for the skill guys. We run our own stuff on both sides of the ball. I know it doesn't help with game planning but throwing and catching is throwing and catching. Then we have three offensive linemen and three defensive linemen. They are doing live pass rush. So the DL is rushing the QB. Their job is to run by the QB and to a coach standing behind him. If the QB cannot throw it at the top of his drop or if one of the DL beats the OL off the snap then the defense wins the rep. But the rep isn't over. The QB immediately has to leave the pocket, the linemen are dead and it is scramble drill. We blast music during this session. The OL and DL coaches talk an insane amount of trash. Our DC runs all of his more exotic coverages. If he's ever going to experiment, this is when he does it. It was a great session this year and we made a ton of plays in scramble situations. How long was the period usually? 15 Minutes Max |
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Post by klaby on Jan 17, 2020 10:32:57 GMT -6
So my son will be a senior QB. Since it is cold and crappy here in Wisco he was looking for some time to throw. So he signs up for a 7 on 7 "try out" for a "tourny" team. It was 3 hours of indoor work for $100, since gym time is around $100 and hour I said sure. He gets some reps and it was reasonably priced.
So we go, as a parent had to come. He works out (this was not a tryout by any stretch if the imagination!). Has fun throws a ton of balls. After the "coach" (22 year old kid fresh out of college) proceeds to meet with some kids one on one and then others as a group with parents. Now the fun starts. This 22 year old QB/Offensive Guru(trust me talked like he was Bill Walsh), proceeds to tell these parents that "I coached 6 D1 scholarship players last year and have already gotten commitments from several D1 coaches who will be at our games". "7 on 7 is the future and if your son is going to get recruited he needs to play 7 on 7 so coaches see him". Blah, Blah, Blah...and "it will only cost you $2700.00 for your kid to join our team, this is an investment in his future". " I will make him a D1 ________________ Player".
I cant make this stuff up!
Of course I am rolling my eyes. So here is the kicker, he doesn't tell anyone if the kid made the "travel team". Nope he sends out a text the next day, and guess what....every kid has made a travel team!
So $2700.00 for 4 tournaments, guaranteed. However this doesn't cover the food for the kids, only tourny fees, travel and hotel. 5th tourny if they make "National Championship" will be extra! No set "practice schedule" either.
So did the math and if every kid pays this guy would take in $80K! So I did some digging, found the links for the tournys and the avg fee is $500 a team, he was going to field 2 teams, for $4K in fees. They would drive so lets say another $2K in gas. Hotels for each, say 10 total rooms. Maybe another $4-5K....so lets say maybe $15k in fees (uniforms included). That's $65k! for a couple months worth of "coaching"!
Sad part was, I am sure most of these parents bought this crap and signed up! I can't make this crap up!
So a 22 year old former 3 string TE, hooks up with a Cross fit gym owner, starts a 7 on 7 team and makes $60-65K in a summer!
NO my kid isnt playing, (he made the A team travel team...coach didnt even know my kid's name)....lesson here, we need to talk to our parents about this crap....
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Post by ccscoach on Jan 20, 2020 4:20:59 GMT -6
We run 9v9 pass skelly have 2 live rushers work pass rush games helps in pass pro
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Post by groundchuck on Jan 20, 2020 7:40:11 GMT -6
WE do a lot of skelly. We get a lot out of it when we keep it short and sweet. When we go long the back-end of the period(s) really become useless.
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Post by coachdawhip on Nov 23, 2023 20:02:50 GMT -6
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Post by paydirt18 on Nov 29, 2023 11:51:27 GMT -6
So my son will be a senior QB. Since it is cold and crappy here in Wisco he was looking for some time to throw. So he signs up for a 7 on 7 "try out" for a "tourny" team. It was 3 hours of indoor work for $100, since gym time is around $100 and hour I said sure. He gets some reps and it was reasonably priced. So we go, as a parent had to come. He works out (this was not a tryout by any stretch if the imagination!). Has fun throws a ton of balls. After the "coach" (22 year old kid fresh out of college) proceeds to meet with some kids one on one and then others as a group with parents. Now the fun starts. This 22 year old QB/Offensive Guru(trust me talked like he was Bill Walsh), proceeds to tell these parents that "I coached 6 D1 scholarship players last year and have already gotten commitments from several D1 coaches who will be at our games". "7 on 7 is the future and if your son is going to get recruited he needs to play 7 on 7 so coaches see him". Blah, Blah, Blah...and "it will only cost you $2700.00 for your kid to join our team, this is an investment in his future". " I will make him a D1 ________________ Player". I cant make this stuff up! Of course I am rolling my eyes. So here is the kicker, he doesn't tell anyone if the kid made the "travel team". Nope he sends out a text the next day, and guess what....every kid has made a travel team! So $2700.00 for 4 tournaments, guaranteed. However this doesn't cover the food for the kids, only tourny fees, travel and hotel. 5th tourny if they make "National Championship" will be extra! No set "practice schedule" either. So did the math and if every kid pays this guy would take in $80K! So I did some digging, found the links for the tournys and the avg fee is $500 a team, he was going to field 2 teams, for $4K in fees. They would drive so lets say another $2K in gas. Hotels for each, say 10 total rooms. Maybe another $4-5K....so lets say maybe $15k in fees (uniforms included). That's $65k! for a couple months worth of "coaching"! Sad part was, I am sure most of these parents bought this crap and signed up! I can't make this crap up! So a 22 year old former 3 string TE, hooks up with a Cross fit gym owner, starts a 7 on 7 team and makes $60-65K in a summer! NO my kid isnt playing, (he made the A team travel team...coach didnt even know my kid's name)....lesson here, we need to talk to our parents about this crap.... THIS! I too live in WI and also did some digging around. Ridiculous pricing and ridiculous promises. As a coach and parent I discourage others from going this route. |
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Post by tigerpride on Dec 1, 2023 16:56:09 GMT -6
I dont like them lol but the kids do. When the kids are having fun and looking forward to 7/7s vs another opponent or within our own practices, they are going to work harder, run better routes, compete and the list goes on. Thats not a bad thing. But I will tell the kids, we arent gonna throw deep every route, because at some point, we got to be very good at 3rd and medium yards.
I've had opponents beat us like a drum during summer and we turn around and beat that same opponent when it comes down to playing real football.
As mentioned above, during 7 on 7s , our OL and RBs can work on a number of things.
If we are doing 7 on 7s vs our JV in practice, those young kids get opportunities to develop their knowledge and skills. That is a good thing. These activities involve a lot of players and that is less standing around.
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Post by coachwoodall on Dec 3, 2023 12:36:00 GMT -6
O&D 7-7 are periods for the OL & DL to work on their thing in isolation as well. Also, since we have multiple 7-7/perimeter periods, we also do our inside O&D time
It isn't wasted time, unless you are doing a lot of whole team stuff regardless. We basically only have 1 team period for each side of the ball per day, other than our short yardage day when we do goal line.
And just for reference we are a full 2 platoon team.
Monday - install/favorite plays
Tuesday - Red Zone
Wednesday - 3rd and 4th down, including short yardage
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Post by Sonofahitch on Dec 5, 2023 10:03:57 GMT -6
We have all heard that 7v7 is “not real football.” If that is the case, should we still be doing it? I am thinking about eliminating 7v7 scrimmages in the summer and 7v7 periods in practice. I am beginning to think that it builds more poor habits than good habits for my QB. Our kid looks really good in 7v7 periods but IMO it did not translate to game situation. In 7v7 he gets the ball out on time and goes through his progression but I think the “visual noise” of a pass rush is really disruptive to him. Instead of having a 7v7 period we would have a 11v11 pass/screen period. No blitzes but just a standard pass rush. We would still have a Pass Under Pressure (P.U.P.) period where we work against blitzes with no defensive backs. Has anyone here ever completely eliminated 7v7? I would really appreciate getting to hear your opinions on this. We did what you're describing a few years ago. Originally it was 11v11 with no blitzes, but now we basically do two drills at once - 1v1 pass rush and 7v7. There are 5 OL on the field and 5 DL lined up across from them. On every play, all five OL pass set and two DL rush. (A coach behind the drill determines who before every snap.) The back end of the drill is typical 7v7. |
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