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Post by tiger11 on Dec 30, 2019 17:35:56 GMT -6
Every time you turn on a college game with a new coach, that is all they talk about.
If you have to explain how YOU teach your team how to compete, how do you answer?
Specifics if possible, not the generic “we compete in everything we do.”
They just said on the Louisville game that when the current staff got there, the DBs did not know how to cover, how to compete. With the old staff, everything they did in practice, the DBs had to let the WRs catch the ball.
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Post by chi5hi on Dec 30, 2019 17:50:17 GMT -6
Competition is natural. If your guys WANT to win, they'll try to do it. It's what guys do.
I'm wondering if your question is more about coaching techniques...teaching someone who doesn't know something how to do it?
You don't have to teach competition. You have to teach guys how to do things.
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Post by silkyice on Dec 30, 2019 18:08:01 GMT -6
Competition is natural. If your guys WANT to win, they'll try to do it. It's what guys do. I'm wondering if your question is more about coaching techniques...teaching someone who doesn't know something how to do it? You don't have to teach competition. You have to teach guys how to do things. BOOM!! |
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Post by freezeoption on Dec 30, 2019 18:19:07 GMT -6
Yes, always the previous staff didn't know feeces.
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Post by zonedive60 on Dec 30, 2019 19:13:49 GMT -6
Competition is natural. If your guys WANT to win, they'll try to do it. It's what guys do. I'm wondering if your question is more about coaching techniques...teaching someone who doesn't know something how to do it? You don't have to teach competition. You have to teach guys how to do things. As crazy as it sounds, I have coached a group of kids who did not care to win. Just not interested. They had to just some how look up and be in a game in the second quarter before they'd compete as a group. It's crazy. |
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Post by bigmoot on Dec 30, 2019 19:24:29 GMT -6
What are some situations you create or use to put your guys in position to compete.
Ex...goalline off v def...3 plays from the 7. Reward winner
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Post by chi5hi on Dec 30, 2019 20:35:12 GMT -6
Competition is natural. If your guys WANT to win, they'll try to do it. It's what guys do. I'm wondering if your question is more about coaching techniques...teaching someone who doesn't know something how to do it? You don't have to teach competition. You have to teach guys how to do things. As crazy as it sounds, I have coached a group of kids who did not care to win. Just not interested. They had to just some how look up and be in a game in the second quarter before they'd compete as a group. It's crazy. OMG! If I suspected that I had kids like that, just not interested, I'd give them grass drills until they quit. BTW...it doesn't take long for that to happen! |
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Post by Coach.A on Dec 30, 2019 21:49:36 GMT -6
Every time you turn on a college game with a new coach, that is all they talk about. If you have to explain how YOU teach your team how to compete, how do you answer? Specifics if possible, not the generic “we compete in everything we do.” They just said on the Louisville game that when the current staff got there, the DBs did not know how to cover, how to compete. With the old staff, everything they did in practice, the DBs had to let the WRs catch the ball. Put them in competitive situations in practice. Run drills where there is a clear winner and loser. During crossover drills (eg. Rec. vs. DB 1 on 1's, OL vs DL pass rush) keep score. Reward the winner(s). Do this often, in the off-season and early in-season. I feel like most NCAA teams do this competitive contact drill fairly often: |
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Post by morris on Dec 30, 2019 21:59:18 GMT -6
It might sound strange but in some places I think you might have to teach some kids how to compete. Not to compete but how to do it. I coach in at a school with higher level of poverty. All the typical things that are associated with it. There is a learned helplessness that you have to fight. Some of our guys will fight like dogs. Others will show that learned helplessness. You have teach them how to fight through that and work through it.
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Post by oldman61 on Dec 30, 2019 22:00:06 GMT -6
Every time you turn on a college game with a new coach, that is all they talk about. If you have to explain how YOU teach your team how to compete, how do you answer? Specifics if possible, not the generic “we compete in everything we do.” They just said on the Louisville game that when the current staff got there, the DBs did not know how to cover, how to compete. With the old staff, everything they did in practice, the DBs had to let the WRs catch the ball. Put them in competitive situations in practice. Run drills where there is a clear winner and loser. During crossover drills (eg. Rec. vs. DB 1 on 1's, OL vs DL pass rush) keep score. Reward the winner(s). Do this often, in the off-season and early in-season. I feel like most NCAA teams do this competitive contact drill fairly often: We do this drill every week, feel it teaches good leverage with hands inside and of course is competitive. We just call 2 kids out from the circle and let them compete. I’ve tried to advocate for putting a roster in the locker room and letting kids sign up to “challenge” someone else. Good way to settle it on the field and not allow kids to hide. |
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Post by zonedive60 on Dec 31, 2019 1:56:52 GMT -6
As crazy as it sounds, I have coached a group of kids who did not care to win. Just not interested. They had to just some how look up and be in a game in the second quarter before they'd compete as a group. It's crazy. OMG! If I suspected that I had kids like that, just not interested, I'd give them grass drills until they quit. BTW...it doesn't take long for that to happen! I'm to that point. Was younger the first time I was at this school. Not coddling and begging kids and future men to compete anymore. Going to show them what life will feel like if they don't |
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Post by SconnieOC on Dec 31, 2019 6:48:04 GMT -6
Every time you turn on a college game with a new coach, that is all they talk about. If you have to explain how YOU teach your team how to compete, how do you answer? Specifics if possible, not the generic “we compete in everything we do.” They just said on the Louisville game that when the current staff got there, the DBs did not know how to cover, how to compete. With the old staff, everything they did in practice, the DBs had to let the WRs catch the ball. Creating competition in practice with actual reward/punishment scenarios is good. When we took over at my last program they'd gone like 4-36 the last 4 years.. had no idea how to even approach success. It was basically just an expectation of showing up to play but not drastically caring about the result. The first year we had every period be some sort of competition. If it was good on good in a 3rd down period, losers ran gassers.. like 8.. not 1 or 2 which kids don't mind. In WR drills, we'd count the drops and winner wouldn't run, if QBs were warming up, if anyone misfired they ran.. In some ways it's almost like teaching a consistent focus or approach more so than the competition itself.. (maybe? That thought just popped into my head as I was typing). We actually progressed to the point where the losers would stand in the middle of the field and watch the winners run. No one likes running, but you definitely don't want to be the reason everyone else is running. Once our culture got to the point where guys truly cared, this was the best thing we did to create competitiveness |
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Post by morris on Dec 31, 2019 7:04:26 GMT -6
The winners running thing Harbaugh has done. I think the quote was winners deserve to get better or something along those lines.
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Post by CS on Dec 31, 2019 7:12:10 GMT -6
The winners running thing Harbaugh has done. I think the quote was winners deserve to get better or something along those lines. I thought that was super dumb personally but to each his own. If that’s his belief then great! But I feel that it runs the risk of becoming like that South Park episode where the kids are trying to lose because they’re not having fun anymore. I don’t want to do anything where the phrase “man I don’t feel like winning today,” could be uttered |
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Post by larrymoe on Dec 31, 2019 7:38:59 GMT -6
The winners running thing Harbaugh has done. I think the quote was winners deserve to get better or something along those lines. I thought that was super dumb personally but to each his own. If that’s his belief then great! But I feel that it runs the risk of becoming like that South Park episode where the kids are trying to lose because they’re not having fun anymore. I don’t want to do anything where the phrase “man I don’t feel like winning today,” could be uttered Cuddle up guys! |
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Post by silkyice on Dec 31, 2019 7:58:47 GMT -6
The winners running thing Harbaugh has done. I think the quote was winners deserve to get better or something along those lines. Wait wut? |
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Post by CS on Dec 31, 2019 8:41:32 GMT -6
The winners running thing Harbaugh has done. I think the quote was winners deserve to get better or something along those lines. Wait wut? It was like his first practice at Michigan. They had a competition and the winners “got” to run sprints while the losers “had” to watch. I don’t agree with the logic |
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Post by silkyice on Dec 31, 2019 9:21:02 GMT -6
It was like his first practice at Michigan. They had a competition and the winners “got” to run sprints while the losers “had” to watch. I don’t agree with the logic Ohio State does. They think it is great! Hahahahaha |
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Post by s73 on Dec 31, 2019 10:38:00 GMT -6
It was like his first practice at Michigan. They had a competition and the winners “got” to run sprints while the losers “had” to watch. I don’t agree with the logic I always struggle when HS coaches compare themselves and what they do to D1 colleges, or use what they hear a D1 guy is doing. It's apples to oranges. You want to make the winners run? Go ahead Jim H, you have them by the balls b/c you hold their scholarships. You also tend to wear out your welcome more than anybody I have seen and usually leave most places in infamy. As for ME, I can't really justify it. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 1, 2020 7:32:47 GMT -6
It was like his first practice at Michigan. They had a competition and the winners “got” to run sprints while the losers “had” to watch. I don’t agree with the logic I always struggle when HS coaches compare themselves and what they do to D1 colleges, or use what they hear a D1 guy is doing. It's apples to oranges. You want to make the winners run? Go ahead Jim H, you have them by the balls b/c you hold their scholarships. You also tend to wear out your welcome more than anybody I have seen and usually leave most places in infamy. As for ME, I can't really justify it. . I dont think it is that big a deal. The logic behind it seems to be that by winning, they earned the right to work harder to improve “for Michigan “. The loser doesnt get that right Mindset is that work /running isnt a punishment but an opportunity- |
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Post by bluboy on Jan 1, 2020 7:55:40 GMT -6
When we do things where there is a winner and a loser, the loser(s) always has to do something. It might be as simple as 10 push-ups or do one sideline; it's not meant to be a b@ll buster or punishment. I guess it's really more about getting players to compete and give a great effort in practice.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 1, 2020 8:34:17 GMT -6
I always struggle when HS coaches compare themselves and what they do to D1 colleges, or use what they hear a D1 guy is doing. It's apples to oranges. You want to make the winners run? Go ahead Jim H, you have them by the balls b/c you hold their scholarships. You also tend to wear out your welcome more than anybody I have seen and usually leave most places in infamy. As for ME, I can't really justify it. . I dont think it is that big a deal. The logic behind it seems to be that by winning, they earned the right to work harder to improve “for Michigan “. The loser doesnt get that right Mindset is that work /running isnt a punishment but an opportunity- I think everyone understood the logic. I just think it is stupid logic. Again, Ohio State loves his logic and thinks he should keep doing it. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 1, 2020 8:35:58 GMT -6
. I dont think it is that big a deal. The logic behind it seems to be that by winning, they earned the right to work harder to improve “for Michigan “. The loser doesnt get that right Mindset is that work /running isnt a punishment but an opportunity- I think everyone understood the logic. I just think it is stupid logic. Again, Ohio State loves his logic and thinks he should keep doing it. is it? So training/exercise is a punishment? |
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Post by blb on Jan 1, 2020 8:43:07 GMT -6
Players will not look at EXTRA work-running ("training/exercise") as a reward for winning regardless of how you spin it.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 1, 2020 8:44:11 GMT -6
I think everyone understood the logic. I just think it is stupid logic. Again, Ohio State loves his logic and thinks he should keep doing it. is it? So training/exercise is a punishment? Are we really about to have this discussion? Hopefully the Michigan University football players are trained enough by the weight room, Winter, Spring, and Summer conditioning. Along with in-season weights and conditioning. If the Michigan players need extra gassers, then they ALL need extra gassers. This is 100% a mental/emotional ploy by Harbaugh. Sounds cool and all that but I bet by the 10th practice when the 350 pound o linemam just whipped someone and now has to run an extra gasser cause he just whipped that ass, he thinks it is pretty stupid also. While team success is not always a measure of whether something is good or not, maybe if JH could beat tOSU once, it would have a little more respect. Let’s play one on one basketball. If you win, you run 10 line drills. Let’s do that every day. How do you think you are going to feel about that on day 10. |
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Post by blb on Jan 1, 2020 8:51:19 GMT -6
Harbaugh's logic reminds me of a lot educational "experts" (read: consultants).
The key to student achievement is to raise the standards - even though kids aren't meeting the current ones.
And if they don't meet the newer, tougher ones - it affects teachers' evaluations because obviously it is their responsibility.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 1, 2020 8:57:27 GMT -6
is it? So training/exercise is a punishment? Are we really about to have this discussion? Hopefully the Michigan University football players are trained enough bu the weight room, Winter, Spring, and Summer conditioning. Along with in-season weights and conditioning. If the Michigan players need extra gassers, then they ALL need extra gassers. This is 100% a mental/emotional ploy by Harbaugh. Sounds cool and all that but I bet by the 10th practice when the 350 pound o linemam just whipped someone and now has to run an extra gasser cause he just whipped that ass, he thinks it is pretty stupid also. While team success is not always a measure of whether something is good or not, maybe if JH could beat tOSU once, it would have a little more respect. Let’s play one on one basketball. If you win, you run 10 line drills. Let’s do that every day. How do you think you are going to feel about that on day 10. 10 gassers.. that would be stupid. A little something extra, with intrinsic pride attached to it which may lead to embracing training / work a little more? Much different scenario. Kind of like the story you told of the kids who hit the weight room when the bus got back from winning the state basketball championship.... Not saying I would necessarily implement it. But I don't think it is cause for alarm or wrecking the UM program. It is just a physical trophy. Not punishment. |
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Post by s73 on Jan 1, 2020 10:38:52 GMT -6
I always struggle when HS coaches compare themselves and what they do to D1 colleges, or use what they hear a D1 guy is doing. It's apples to oranges. You want to make the winners run? Go ahead Jim H, you have them by the balls b/c you hold their scholarships. You also tend to wear out your welcome more than anybody I have seen and usually leave most places in infamy. As for ME, I can't really justify it. . I dont think it is that big a deal. The logic behind it seems to be that by winning, they earned the right to work harder to improve “for Michigan “. The loser doesnt get that right Mindset is that work /running isnt a punishment but an opportunity- I understand the mindset. I just don't believe the method would be effective for more than a very short amount of time. Eventually kids will get tired of "winning". JMO. |
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Post by s73 on Jan 1, 2020 17:32:37 GMT -6
Are we really about to have this discussion? Hopefully the Michigan University football players are trained enough bu the weight room, Winter, Spring, and Summer conditioning. Along with in-season weights and conditioning. If the Michigan players need extra gassers, then they ALL need extra gassers. This is 100% a mental/emotional ploy by Harbaugh. Sounds cool and all that but I bet by the 10th practice when the 350 pound o linemam just whipped someone and now has to run an extra gasser cause he just whipped that ass, he thinks it is pretty stupid also. While team success is not always a measure of whether something is good or not, maybe if JH could beat tOSU once, it would have a little more respect. Let’s play one on one basketball. If you win, you run 10 line drills. Let’s do that every day. How do you think you are going to feel about that on day 10. 10 gassers.. that would be stupid. A little something extra, with intrinsic pride attached to it which may lead to embracing training / work a little more? Much different scenario. Kind of like the story you told of the kids who hit the weight room when the bus got back from winning the state basketball championship.... Not saying I would necessarily implement it. But I don't think it is cause for alarm or wrecking the UM program. It is just a physical trophy. Not punishment. One thing I am not opposed to doing and have done in the past, and believe it or not, has some value to it, is determine whether to condition or not based on the quality of practice. TBH, I've even asked kids what they think. To eval themselves. Haven't done it in a long time but when I did I almost always got an accurate response. Usually they were in agreement w/ coaches. At least then they see it as "yes we earned the break or no, we didn't". It also has helped me as a coach to really grow my respect for the kids when they are taking responsibility for a poor practice. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 1, 2020 18:31:29 GMT -6
10 gassers.. that would be stupid. A little something extra, with intrinsic pride attached to it which may lead to embracing training / work a little more? Much different scenario. Kind of like the story you told of the kids who hit the weight room when the bus got back from winning the state basketball championship.... Not saying I would necessarily implement it. But I don't think it is cause for alarm or wrecking the UM program. It is just a physical trophy. Not punishment. One thing I am not opposed to doing and have done in the past, and believe it or not, has some value to it, is determine whether to condition or not based on the quality of practice. TBH, I've even asked kids what they think. To eval themselves. Haven't done it in a long time but when I did I almost always got an accurate response. Usually they were in agreement w/ coaches. At least then they see it as "yes we earned the break or no, we didn't". It also has helped me as a coach to really grow my respect for the kids when they are taking responsibility for a poor practice. You believe they are mature enough to self evaluate and take responsibility, but you don't think they would be able to adopt a "winner's sprint..we like to work" as opposed to "running is for losers" mindset? I am just looking at the mindset I believe Harbaugh was trying to instill. Obviously it has not been as successful as he wants (example, see my thread on their celebration of a win vs what proved to be a relatively poor Army team) |
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