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Post by 19delta on Dec 19, 2019 17:15:54 GMT -6
Ok...so obviously it is ridiculous when kids have a signing ceremony to play D3 ball. But what is the deal with kids posting on Twitter, "Blessed to receive my 5th offer from (insert really expensive private school).
Why so many offers? Did the kid tell them "no thanks" the first 5 times?
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Post by kcbazooka on Dec 19, 2019 17:35:59 GMT -6
I’ll bite - why is it ridiculous to have a signing ceremony to play D3 ball? I don’t understand the second part about the fifth offer. My guess is a coach called him five times and he finally decided to go there...
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Post by fantom on Dec 19, 2019 17:41:53 GMT -6
I’ll bite - why is it ridiculous to have a signing ceremony to play D3 ball? I don’t understand the second part about the fifth offer. My guess is a coach called him five times and he finally decided to go there... Because there's nothing to sign except maybe the check for his deposit. |
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Post by agap on Dec 19, 2019 17:52:42 GMT -6
I've posted this before, but there are probably signing ceremonies for everything now because people complained. Where I work, there aren't signing ceremonies for anything because they don't want to end up having a ceremony for everything.
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Post by wingtol on Dec 19, 2019 19:58:12 GMT -6
I think when they post 5th offer they mean 5 total from different schools.
Also I have seen D3 now sending kids an official offer to “have a roster spot” or something like that. Guess it’s what kids want to hear now so they have jumped on the wagon.
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Post by 19delta on Dec 19, 2019 20:12:34 GMT -6
I think when they post 5th offer they mean 5 total from different schools. Also I have seen D3 now sending kids an official offer to “have a roster spot” or something like that. Guess it’s what kids want to hear now so they have jumped on the wagon. Yes the "roster spot" is apparently a big deal. Seeing a lot of this from the D3 public universities in Wisconsin. My understanding is that a "roster spot" means they won't outright cut players. But also no guarantee to dress for home games or travel to away games. |
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Post by Defcord on Dec 19, 2019 20:42:01 GMT -6
I've posted this before, but there are probably signing ceremonies for everything now because people complained. Where I work, there aren't signing ceremonies for anything because they don't want to end up having a ceremony for everything. I’m not sure no one gets a trophy is any better than everyone gets a trophy. |
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Post by agap on Dec 19, 2019 21:54:46 GMT -6
I've posted this before, but there are probably signing ceremonies for everything now because people complained. Where I work, there aren't signing ceremonies for anything because they don't want to end up having a ceremony for everything. I’m not sure no one gets a trophy is any better than everyone gets a trophy. I'm not saying one way is better than the other, I'm just pointing out why they are probably having signing ceremonies for D3 athletes. |
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Post by tothehouse on Dec 20, 2019 0:36:15 GMT -6
My son has been "offered" by a couple D3 schools. It's pretty awesome he's getting recruited. I know he can play at that level. One thing he won't be doing...is being part of any kind of "signing". If the HS wants to recognize athletes going to colleges then he can be recognized then (he has not picked a school yet). If you want this one...come and get him. www.hudl.com/video/3/2823247/5d8a51abc11a390e9c983c52 |
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Post by bleefb on Dec 20, 2019 1:28:41 GMT -6
My granddaughter is going through this for Volleyball. All they're offering is a chance for her parents to write them a giant check so she can keep playing volleyball. (Actually, it's like Club except that check is smaller  I don't think that's most people's idea of a "scholarship." |
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Post by coachjm on Dec 20, 2019 5:42:15 GMT -6
I have a little different view on this....
1. I signed out of HS with a Division 2 school as a young 18 year old it was a big deal to me "to sign" looking back I see it as pretty silly but it was. I had 2 offers and 1 opportunity at one of the academies so I wasn't heavily recruited outside of D3 ball.
2. I then transferred to a D3 school that I should have gone to out of high school, it was a better location for me, I had a bunch of friends there, and it always felt like home, not sure but maybe if I could have "signed" back 25 years ago I would have made this decision. Additionally, my cost ended up being the same after I got academic scholarships at this school as it was the D2 school.
3. I work with students now (all students) on college and career planning I believe whatever decision a kid makes college, community college, workforce, military ect. should be celebrated they have completed a major phase in their life and are moving on to a different phase with new challenges. All of them need an "offer" of some type for this as there is not any opportunity that is provided without someone granting it including D3 Football Teams.
I love D3 Football and the philosophy, like HS ball it is mostly still a pure form of football where guys play for the love of the game. I have several guys playing right now and I am proud of how they compete and work just like all programs. The value of the fraternity of being a football player at the D3 institution also carries on well beyond graduation. If more folks people have this opportunity due to getting "offers" or "signing parties" i'm all for it.
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Post by NAG on Dec 20, 2019 8:13:57 GMT -6
Most of these guys work really hard to be a part of your football program. Why not celebrate their dedication and decision to play in college?
If they were to sign a $500 NAIA scholarship then it’s acceptable?
Sure, the DIII “offer” from a school that takes anyone is a bit much but who is it hurting?
Some DIIIs actually do have limitations on their roster. As mentioned, the WIAC are public universities and only have 100 spots or so. Conferences like the NESCAC also have limitations as well.
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Post by NC1974 on Dec 20, 2019 8:38:10 GMT -6
I love the idea of celebrating any kid's decision to continue playing sports in college...I don't like the idea of a kid signing a blank sheet of paper because it makes them complicit in the facade. It makes it seem like, "it only matters if you sign". How about have a "college sports brunch/lunch/ceremony" where everyone wears their college swag, take pictures with mom, dad, etc....but "fake sign".
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Post by center on Dec 20, 2019 8:49:35 GMT -6
Does anyone know if the big Wisconsin D3 conference still has a 100 person roster limit? The WIAC? A roster spot guarantee there would mean something then. They used to only be able to carry 100 people during the season. Title 9 thing i believe.
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Post by wiscohscoach on Dec 20, 2019 9:08:17 GMT -6
Does anyone know if the big Wisconsin D3 conference still has a 100 person roster limit? The WIAC? A roster spot guarantee there would mean something then. They used to only be able to carry 100 people during the season. Title 9 thing i believe. Believe it's 105 now but yes, they have limited rosters and an offer should be treated as such. |
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Post by SconnieOC on Dec 20, 2019 10:10:16 GMT -6
Does anyone know if the big Wisconsin D3 conference still has a 100 person roster limit? The WIAC? A roster spot guarantee there would mean something then. They used to only be able to carry 100 people during the season. Title 9 thing i believe. Believe it's 105 now but yes, they have limited rosters and an offer should be treated as such. But the offers there don't mean you don't get greyshirted. They're trying to appeal to the masses like everyone else. I have no problem with the offers or the signing day.. If it gets kids excited to play college ball and continue the game, I'm all in. A roster offer at a private school probably has more meaning because it at least means you'll get to practice with the team after the first 8 days. |
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Post by klaby on Dec 20, 2019 10:45:41 GMT -6
As a former Director of Security at a D3 private school I can tell you it is all about the numbers. The HC had to recruit 100 freshman football players a year, no joke 100. It's about the money, he knew half would be gone by end of 1st semester, he knew 20% had no business on a college football field, but if he made his numbers the business office was off his as$. Any kid who wants to play/be on the team at most, not all but most private schools will be on the team, especially if he is a full tuition kid. Now they wont travel or dress for home games, but they will be in the team photo...and no they were not very good, avg but not contenders.
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Post by center on Dec 20, 2019 12:21:27 GMT -6
There is a lot of pressure on coaches to attract students to colleges. Especially private, liberal arts schools. The admissions office could care less if half of them cant play, they are tuition dollars.
That is why so many small colleges are adding football while high school numbers whittle away.
Therefore more offers and more signing days.
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Post by wiscohscoach on Dec 20, 2019 12:27:48 GMT -6
Believe it's 105 now but yes, they have limited rosters and an offer should be treated as such. But the offers there don't mean you don't get greyshirted. They're trying to appeal to the masses like everyone else. I have no problem with the offers or the signing day.. If it gets kids excited to play college ball and continue the game, I'm all in. A roster offer at a private school probably has more meaning because it at least means you'll get to practice with the team after the first 8 days. Most don't grayshirt year one, although I can't speak for all. Your more successful ones a roster spot is a roster spot, they'll bring in 120-130 for camp and assemble the roster from there. |
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Post by jmer on Dec 20, 2019 12:57:22 GMT -6
Played for an NAIA program back when Sioux Falls and Carroll were dominating the NAIA. It was a top 10 program but every year including my class, they brought in 50-60 freshmen football players. And every year, less than half the freshmen came back for their sophomore season. It is the nature of small college football.
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Post by fantom on Dec 20, 2019 13:27:51 GMT -6
Played for an NAIA program back when Sioux Falls and Carroll were dominating the NAIA. It was a top 10 program but every year including my class, they brought in 50-60 freshmen football players. And every year, less than half the freshmen came back for their sophomore season. It is the nature of small college football. I understand completely. Back during the '80's we took a kid on a visit to a NAIA school during spring ball. We got there when they were practicing and were shocked at how many guys they had. We found out they had 146 guys. |
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Post by blb on Dec 20, 2019 14:40:11 GMT -6
Played for an NAIA program back when Sioux Falls and Carroll were dominating the NAIA. It was a top 10 program but every year including my class, they brought in 50-60 freshmen football players. And every year, less than half the freshmen came back for their sophomore season. It is the nature of small college football.
The schools want the tuition money and enrollment figures, especially males.
Retention rates don't matter much if you get 50-60 every year.
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Post by wingtol on Dec 21, 2019 7:51:06 GMT -6
Played for an NAIA program back when Sioux Falls and Carroll were dominating the NAIA. It was a top 10 program but every year including my class, they brought in 50-60 freshmen football players. And every year, less than half the freshmen came back for their sophomore season. It is the nature of small college football.
The schools want the tuition money and enrollment figures, especially males.
Retention rates don't matter much if you get 50-60 every year.
Talked with a D3 coach a bit ago and he was saying they have a number of guys to bring in every year and I can't remember if it was for each player or each player over a set goal they got X amount of dollars per player into the football budget on top of what they were already allotted. Like hitting your sales goal for the year and getting a bonus... |
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Post by wolverine55 on Dec 21, 2019 8:30:44 GMT -6
The schools want the tuition money and enrollment figures, especially males.
Retention rates don't matter much if you get 50-60 every year.
Talked with a D3 coach a bit ago and he was saying they have a number of guys to bring in every year and I can't remember if it was for each player or each player over a set goal they got X amount of dollars per player into the football budget on top of what they were already allotted. Like hitting your sales goal for the year and getting a bonus... I just hope you guys realize this isn't just a D3 thing. It applies to pretty much any level of football outside D1. There are plenty of kids who get offers from a D2, NAIA, or JUCO simply because they are a number... |
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Post by wingtol on Dec 21, 2019 10:22:23 GMT -6
Talked with a D3 coach a bit ago and he was saying they have a number of guys to bring in every year and I can't remember if it was for each player or each player over a set goal they got X amount of dollars per player into the football budget on top of what they were already allotted. Like hitting your sales goal for the year and getting a bonus... I just hope you guys realize this isn't just a D3 thing. It applies to pretty much any level of football outside D1. There are plenty of kids who get offers from a D2, NAIA, or JUCO simply because they are a number... I have found around here the D2s are a bit more picky just because they are in a really good conference with lots of ranked teams, playoff teams etc and actually recruit on talent. Not saying there aren't other ones just grabbing bodies but I have found it's hard to get the local D2s to go after a kid unless he's a dude. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 21, 2019 12:41:31 GMT -6
I just hope you guys realize this isn't just a D3 thing. It applies to pretty much any level of football outside D1. There are plenty of kids who get offers from a D2, NAIA, or JUCO simply because they are a number... I have found around here the D2s are a bit more picky just because they are in a really good conference with lots of ranked teams, playoff teams etc and actually recruit on talent. Not saying there aren't other ones just grabbing bodies but I have found it's hard to get the local D2s to go after a kid unless he's a dude. It think depends on what one means by "go after" and "offer". |
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Post by fantom on Dec 21, 2019 13:37:59 GMT -6
I have found around here the D2s are a bit more picky just because they are in a really good conference with lots of ranked teams, playoff teams etc and actually recruit on talent. Not saying there aren't other ones just grabbing bodies but I have found it's hard to get the local D2s to go after a kid unless he's a dude. It think depends on what one means by "go after" and "offer". The league that he's talking about is the Pennsylvania Conference and they can afford to be choosier than a lot of D2's. |
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Post by wingtol on Dec 21, 2019 16:27:57 GMT -6
It think depends on what one means by "go after" and "offer". The league that he's talking about is the Pennsylvania Conference and they can afford to be choosier than a lot of D2's. Couple of the teams in town played in the GLIAC(when they were the cats meow) before the PSAC, wanna talk about how good you had to be to get those schools to look at you for D2... |
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Post by 19delta on Dec 21, 2019 18:19:46 GMT -6
But the offers there don't mean you don't get greyshirted. They're trying to appeal to the masses like everyone else. I have no problem with the offers or the signing day.. If it gets kids excited to play college ball and continue the game, I'm all in. A roster offer at a private school probably has more meaning because it at least means you'll get to practice with the team after the first 8 days. Most don't grayshirt year one, although I can't speak for all. Your more successful ones a roster spot is a roster spot, they'll bring in 120-130 for camp and assemble the roster from there. So maybe you can explain this to me. We had 5 guys from our 2018 state semifinal team go to Platteville. At least some of these guys had a "roster spot" and posted pictures of themselves on campus with a UW-Platteville Pioneers backdrop, holding the axe, with the #SwingTheAxe hashtag. However, NONE of these guys are on the current UW-Platteville roster. So what is the deal with the guys? Are they on the team? Did they get cut? What is their status, exactly? |
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 21, 2019 20:17:35 GMT -6
Most don't grayshirt year one, although I can't speak for all. Your more successful ones a roster spot is a roster spot, they'll bring in 120-130 for camp and assemble the roster from there. So maybe you can explain this to me. We had 5 guys from our 2018 state semifinal team go to Platteville. At least some of these guys had a "roster spot" and posted pictures of themselves on campus with a UW-Platteville Pioneers backdrop, holding the axe, with the #SwingTheAxe hashtag. However, NONE of these guys are on the current UW-Platteville roster. So what is the deal with the guys? Are they on the team? Did they get cut? What is their status, exactly? They quit? It is a common tale. HS football is generally "fun". College football in many if not most cases is generally "work". It is quite common for 18-19-20 year olds who are not being compensated or who need football for some reason (school related) to realize that the other students seem to be having a great deal more fun than they are. I don't blame them. |
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I don't think that's most people's idea of a "scholarship."
