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Post by NC1974 on Dec 8, 2019 15:21:40 GMT -6
www.reflexiveperformance.com/aboutSo I've been trying to learn a bit about RPR. I find it interesting but here are a couple of big questions I'm trying to answer: 1) For coaches who actively "do RPR" on their athletes, i.e. put hands on them, isn't there a pretty big liability concern here? For instance if a kid is complaining of lower back pain, you do some RPR on them, they initially feel better, but two weeks later are diagnosed with stress fracture. In other words, if you are "treating" a player, aren't you setting yourself up for trouble? Seems like it blurs the lines between doctor, trainer, physical therapist---all of whom have specialized degrees, and RPR person who has a certification. 2) If you don't put "hands on players" is there a way to still use some RPR exercises where players monitor and assess themselves? Definitely not hating on RPR, just trying to figure out, is it more of an exercise protocol or a "treatment" or "therapy" or what?
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Dec 8, 2019 15:44:44 GMT -6
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Post by Zone93 on Dec 8, 2019 15:44:44 GMT -6
www.reflexiveperformance.com/aboutSo I've been trying to learn a bit about RPR. I find it interesting but here are a couple of big questions I'm trying to answer: 1) For coaches who actively "do RPR" on their athletes, i.e. put hands on them, isn't there a pretty big liability concern here? For instance if a kid is complaining of lower back pain, you do some RPR on them, they initially feel better, but two weeks later are diagnosed with stress fracture. In other words, if you are "treating" a player, aren't you setting yourself up for trouble? Seems like it blurs the lines between doctor, trainer, physical therapist---all of whom have specialized degrees, and RPR person who has a certification. 2) If you don't put "hands on players" is there a way to still use some RPR exercises where players monitor and assess themselves? Definitely not hating on RPR, just trying to figure out, is it more of an exercise protocol or a "treatment" or "therapy" or what? I haven’t learned rpr yet but I’ve been gathering information on it for roughly the past 2 years so I might be able to help. Just know that it might be incomplete information. 1. RPR in a rough sense is based on getting your body to fire your muscles in a correct sequence. If your body doesn’t work correctly then it can create compensation patterns which lead to injuries. RPR mainly helps with soft tissue injuries so I doubt it’ll help if someone has a stress fracture for instance. For example, take 10 quick shallow breathes and try to touch your toes. Next take 10 deep breathes and try to touch your toes again. You should have more range of motion. The reason being is that when you take quick shallow breathes your body associates that with your fight or flight response. When you take deep breathes your body relaxes and isn’t as tense. This is basically rpr in a nutshell. Getting your body and cns to function in a state of high performance. 2. Most of the RPR stuff that coaches use is called “wake up drills” All the wake up drills are self administered by the athlete on themselves. I have heard it referenced as “turning on a light switch” I hope some of this information helps. I am by no means an expert or someone that uses it currently even though I’d like to. If you search for coachbdixon on Twitter I know his team uses it every day and he could tell you more.
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 8, 2019 15:48:36 GMT -6
Self edited.
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Post by 60zgo on Dec 9, 2019 18:42:04 GMT -6
www.reflexiveperformance.com/aboutSo I've been trying to learn a bit about RPR. I find it interesting but here are a couple of big questions I'm trying to answer: 1) For coaches who actively "do RPR" on their athletes, i.e. put hands on them, isn't there a pretty big liability concern here? For instance if a kid is complaining of lower back pain, you do some RPR on them, they initially feel better, but two weeks later are diagnosed with stress fracture. In other words, if you are "treating" a player, aren't you setting yourself up for trouble? Seems like it blurs the lines between doctor, trainer, physical therapist---all of whom have specialized degrees, and RPR person who has a certification. 2) If you don't put "hands on players" is there a way to still use some RPR exercises where players monitor and assess themselves? Definitely not hating on RPR, just trying to figure out, is it more of an exercise protocol or a "treatment" or "therapy" or what? 1. Go to a Level 1 Certification and experience it for yourself. I know that's not a great endorsement but it's just something you have to experience. 2. We have been using it at the beginning of our warm-up for three years with excellent results. 3. We don't put "hands on players" and the system is not designed for that either. You go through the Level I Cert and there are some in depth discussions on this. When you see "hands on" it's in the Collegiate/Professional setting and it's not coming from the sport coach but trainer/PT side. 4. IDK if it's about firing patterns or imbalances. I think it does have a really strong effect on sympathetic/parasympathetic responses. This is from my own experiences with sleep, flying, in the weight room, jiu jitsu, rollercoasters, etc.
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Post by coachvann on Dec 10, 2019 7:11:10 GMT -6
We do RPR and the big thing about it is that the athletes do the reset on themselves. In fact, in their certification they talk about not touching athletes and teaching athletes to do it to themselves so that takes away the liability issue. It's more about turning muscles on than it is treatment. I talked to a coach at the college level who did it because I was super skeptical and he said something that made sense..."if the kids thinks it is working and you see results then why not do it; it's like making sure Marshawn Lynch gets his skittles". Our kids love it and they reset themselves before games now on their own.
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Post by silkyice on Dec 10, 2019 8:51:31 GMT -6
For example, take 10 quick shallow breathes and try to touch your toes. Next take 10 deep breathes and try to touch your toes again. You should have more range of motion. The reason being is that when you take quick shallow breathes your body associates that with your fight or flight response. When you take deep breathes your body relaxes and isn’t as tense. This is basically rpr in a nutshell. Getting your body and cns to function in a state of high performance. This is not a slam against RPR. I am actually very interested in it. But this is a slam on these type of examples. I actually read this while in bed. So I was completely not ready to do anything. Got up and reversed the experiment. Took 10 deep breathes first and tried to touch my toes. Then took 10 shallow breathes and tried to touch my toes. And you already know what happened. My range of motion of motion was much greater the second time after the shallow breathes. Why? Because I was now more limber after already trying to touch my toes the first time. Go and research all these types of examples and you can see how they "trick" us into believing these types of things work. Again, not really trying to dismiss RPR.
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Post by teachcoachwm on Dec 10, 2019 10:18:26 GMT -6
Silkyice, You are exactly right about the example used. To me it became more about strength than flexibility. In Level 1 Certification, they do a great job of giving you before and after tests for each of the wake up drills. When we started to do this with our football team, we had to take a period going thru each test and drill."Selling" the athletes is a big deal because it is not very effective unlesss the kids take it seriously. But when we took the time to show the athletes how it worked, our kids bought in quickly. (More so than some of the adults, sometimes). One of the big things is that the kids took a little more ownership in getting warmed up & ready for practice.
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Post by funkfriss on Dec 10, 2019 14:14:42 GMT -6
For example, take 10 quick shallow breathes and try to touch your toes. Next take 10 deep breathes and try to touch your toes again. You should have more range of motion. The reason being is that when you take quick shallow breathes your body associates that with your fight or flight response. When you take deep breathes your body relaxes and isn’t as tense. This is basically rpr in a nutshell. Getting your body and cns to function in a state of high performance. This is not a slam against RPR. I am actually very interested in it. But this is a slam on these type of examples. I actually read this while in bed. So I was completely not ready to do anything. Got up and reversed the experiment. Took 10 deep breathes first and tried to touch my toes. Then took 10 shallow breathes and tried to touch my toes. And you already know what happened. My range of motion of motion was much greater the second time after the shallow breathes. Why? Because I was now more limber after already trying to touch my toes the first time. Go and research all these types of examples and you can see how they "trick" us into believing these types of things work. Again, not really trying to dismiss RPR. Hahaha I thought I was the only one! I'm a born skeptic. I'm always looking for more information, studies, etc when I see something that I question. I actually used my wife as my guinea pig. I told her that I would increase her hamstring flexibility in 10 seconds. I had her do a baseline, then rubbed under her clavicles (supposed to stimulate neck muscles, but she didn't know this). I then had her stretch her hamstrings again, and wouldn't you know, she was more flexible the second time around! More limber? Placebo? I'm not sure, but either way it worked! For the low price of $79.99 I'll show you how it's done
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Post by silkyice on Dec 10, 2019 14:25:18 GMT -6
This is not a slam against RPR. I am actually very interested in it. But this is a slam on these type of examples. I actually read this while in bed. So I was completely not ready to do anything. Got up and reversed the experiment. Took 10 deep breathes first and tried to touch my toes. Then took 10 shallow breathes and tried to touch my toes. And you already know what happened. My range of motion of motion was much greater the second time after the shallow breathes. Why? Because I was now more limber after already trying to touch my toes the first time. Go and research all these types of examples and you can see how they "trick" us into believing these types of things work. Again, not really trying to dismiss RPR. Hahaha I thought I was the only one! I'm a born skeptic. I'm always looking for more information, studies, etc when I see something that I question. I actually used my wife as my guinea pig. I told her that I would increase her hamstring flexibility in 10 seconds. I had her do a baseline, then rubbed under her clavicles (supposed to stimulate neck muscles, but she didn't know this). I then had her stretch her hamstrings again, and wouldn't you know, she was more flexible the second time around! More limber? Placebo? I'm not sure, but either way it worked! For the low price of $79.99 I'll show you how it's done Shoot me your bank account number and I will direct deposit the $79.99 into it. Better PM me directly because you never know about everyone else reading this thread.
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Post by larrymoe on Dec 10, 2019 16:21:10 GMT -6
I went to a track clinic one time (want to talk about a terrible time) and they had a speaker talking about RPR. He brought a table and asked for volunteers. Went to his talk twice, because, well, I hate {censored} track but had to coach it. The second time I volunteered. I felt fantastic afterward. Even into the next day. Then I tried to deadlift 500lbs 3 reps because I felt so good. I popped my back something terrible and have terrified to lift super heavy weight since.
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Post by 19delta on Dec 10, 2019 18:03:51 GMT -6
#CatFeeders
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Post by 60zgo on Dec 10, 2019 21:25:14 GMT -6
Is this what every thread is gunna be now? Maybe S&C has jumped the shark around here...
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Post by veerfan on Dec 12, 2019 15:46:32 GMT -6
I really don't know what to think of this either, but I have seen it done on others, and their reactions were all the same. Just like larrymoe, they all felt great afterwards. I had someone come in and demonstrate it on our track athletes. They all loved it and couldn't believe the results. I haven't had it done on myself, so I can't 100% buy into it yet, but it is extremely popular now. As is the #FeedtheCats training. I've already put my 2 cents in on that in another thread, but I am sold on it. Used it for our football program this year, zero soft tissue injuries the entire season, kids were fresh on game day, and we won a State Championship! Was it the only reason we won? No. But, I do believe it was a big part of our success.
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