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Post by 60zgo on Nov 26, 2019 17:23:52 GMT -6
I'm fortunate enough to have already retired after 35 years...and I know that I have a much different perspective now, but if I had it to ask do over again, I'd spend a LOT less time than I did! I'm now getting to spend time with my grandson that I missed with my own kids because I was working... Now that I'm out, I also realize how much time is completely thrown away by so many coaches just trying to keep up with the Joneses. It's so stupidly trivial. Of course it is. But in a lot of places it's basically required. The Principal and AD are going to use that against you for sure. It's dumb, but I get why people do it.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 26, 2019 17:28:06 GMT -6
Now that I'm out, I also realize how much time is completely thrown away by so many coaches just trying to keep up with the Joneses. It's so stupidly trivial. Of course it is. But in a lot of places it's basically required. The Principal and AD are going to use that against you for sure. It's dumb, but I get why people do it. I'd rather not do stupid {censored} to keep a job that pays {censored} while my kids grow up fatherless.
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Post by 60zgo on Nov 26, 2019 17:40:07 GMT -6
Of course it is. But in a lot of places it's basically required. The Principal and AD are going to use that against you for sure. It's dumb, but I get why people do it. I'd rather not do stupid {censored} to keep a job that pays {censored} while my kids grow up fatherless. That's great for your kids that they get to spend more time with you and you are more fulfilled. I am just stating that in some places "the grind" or at least faking the appearance of it is required.
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Post by veerwego on Nov 26, 2019 17:40:43 GMT -6
we have weights during football class and then from 4-5 mon-thu for middle schoolers and those not in the class. My two little boys are in wrestling club on tue & thu night at my school from 6-7, so I open the weight room for 3 wrestlers that play football but do not have the class. Some weeks I have to come on Mon or Wed b/c they have a match. Trying to be home as much as possible. I usually coach my kids little league or flag football team in the spring.
When I was an OC, I would take a couple months off, but now as Head Coach, not an option.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 26, 2019 17:40:52 GMT -6
I'd rather not do stupid {censored} to keep a job that pays {censored} while my kids grow up fatherless. That's great for your kids that they get to spend more time with you and you are more fulfilled. I am just stating that in some places "the grind" or at least faking the appearance of it is required. That's dumb.
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Post by 60zgo on Nov 26, 2019 17:43:36 GMT -6
That's great for your kids that they get to spend more time with you and you are more fulfilled. I am just stating that in some places "the grind" or at least faking the appearance of it is required. That's dumb. That's real.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 26, 2019 17:56:46 GMT -6
Real dumb. We agree.
I mean, seriously. You're cool with spending time away from your family doing things that won't have any affect on the future of your teamjust to keep a HS football coaching job because it's expected by your boss who more than likely doesn't know {censored} about football?
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 26, 2019 18:03:26 GMT -6
Real dumb. We agree. I mean, seriously. You're cool with spending time away from your family doing things that won't have any affect on the future of your teamjust to keep a HS football coaching job because it's expected by your boss who more than likely doesn't know {censored} about football? Just keep in mind, for some, keeping the coaching job = feeding said family. Not just in Texas anymore, especially with the increase of charter schools and weakening of unions. They don't get paid to coach, they get paid to teach, but can be dismissed from that easily. Not everyone exists in the same situation that you do. Heck, even YOU don't exist in the same situation that you used to. I distinctly remember you proclaiming on this site how amazing your set up was and how you were never leaving...
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 26, 2019 18:56:41 GMT -6
That was 6 years ago and 3 principals. As soon as our old school leadership retired, it was ballgame teaching wise. Illinois has also went through some major legislative issues that makes teaching a nightmare- like, it's virtually impossible to suspend a kid unless the stab someone or bring a gun to school.
Plus, because of social media dick comparisons, the amount of stupid crap coaches are expected to do to keep their $4k jobs is unbelievable. This thread is case in point. Once I was done coaching, teaching was an idiotic pursuit. May as well spend more time with my family, making more money and being happier. I think a lot of coaches would find the same if they could just get over their egos, or this false notion they're doing something noble while satisfying that ego.
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Post by 60zgo on Nov 26, 2019 19:36:05 GMT -6
Real dumb. We agree. I mean, seriously. You're cool with spending time away from your family doing things that won't have any affect on the future of your teamjust to keep a HS football coaching job because it's expected by your boss who more than likely doesn't know {censored} about football? It's all tied together for me honestly, so yes. I have never worked in a place where the teaching and coaching wasn't wrapped up together. (Texas, Louisiana) Some jobs it was in the contract and others it was the unwritten rule. At my current job we don't have to play pretend. We meet digitally on the weekend and I am the only one who goes in on Saturday and that's just to do the laundry. But I have worked in a number of places where the grind was pretty hardcore. All day Saturday and back on a Sunday afternoon. Couple hours every night after practice for film, etc, etc... And just cause a staff works a ton doesn't mean the kids are neglected. You are being dramatic. It's a few months of missed Saturdays not a tour of duty in Afghanistan.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 26, 2019 19:44:34 GMT -6
That was 6 years ago and 3 principals. As soon as our old school leadership retired, it was ballgame teaching wise. Illinois has also went through some major legislative issues that makes teaching a nightmare- like, it's virtually impossible to suspend a kid unless the stab someone or bring a gun to school. Plus, because of social media dick comparisons, the amount of stupid crap coaches are expected to do to keep their $4k jobs is unbelievable. This thread is case in point. Once I was done coaching, teaching was an idiotic pursuit. May as well spend more time with my family, making more money and being happier. I think a lot of coaches would find the same if they could just get over their egos, or this false notion they're doing something noble while satisfying that ego. So, as I said, not all situations are the same...just as YOUR situation isn't the same from just 6 years ago. That being the case, the "cooler than everyone else, look at me I don't GAF you guys are stupid this is all BS anyway" attitude you have in this thread might not make a lot of sense.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 26, 2019 19:50:47 GMT -6
That was 6 years ago and 3 principals. As soon as our old school leadership retired, it was ballgame teaching wise. Illinois has also went through some major legislative issues that makes teaching a nightmare- like, it's virtually impossible to suspend a kid unless the stab someone or bring a gun to school. Plus, because of social media dick comparisons, the amount of stupid crap coaches are expected to do to keep their $4k jobs is unbelievable. This thread is case in point. Once I was done coaching, teaching was an idiotic pursuit. May as well spend more time with my family, making more money and being happier. I think a lot of coaches would find the same if they could just get over their egos, or this false notion they're doing something noble while satisfying that ego. So, as I said, not all situations are the same...just as YOUR situation isn't the same from just 6 years ago. That being the case, the "cooler than everyone else, look at me I don't GAF you guys are stupid this is all BS anyway" attitude you have in this thread might not make a lot of sense. I think a great deal of this site is spent with guys trying to tell themselves that what they're chasing is the right path. And yes, the amount of attention grown ass adults spend on HS football is stupid. Coaches, fans, media and parents alike.
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Post by huddlehut on Nov 26, 2019 23:00:36 GMT -6
You know, I'd have never believed this year's ago...so you probably won't believe it now, but I really think that we (coaches) - while we're coaching - develop a distorted sense of the "importance" of the job. We place a ton of self-imposed pressure and expectations upon ourselves...and it isn't until we've removed ourselves from the job that we realize how we fooled ourselves into believing that we had to "grind" so hard. In reality, it's amazing just how few people really care how your team does each year. We just think that everyone lives and dies with the fortunes of our teams...and I'm not saying that winning isn't important. I say this (again...I'm retired) after 35 years in Texas, where it's supposedly life and death. I honestly go about my daily business (gym, golf course, church, etc) and rarely - if ever - hear about the local HS football team. Honestly... work hard and get after it, but relax a little more, guys. Enjoy life.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 23:16:00 GMT -6
You know, I'd have never believed this year's ago, but I really think that we (coaches) - while we're coaching - develop a distorted sense of the "importance" of the job. We place a ton of self-imposed pressure and expectations upon ourselves...and it isn't until we've removed ourselves from the job that we realize how we fooled ourselves into believing that we had to "grind" so hard. In reality, it's amazing just how few people really care how your team does each year. We just think that everyone loves and does with the fortunes of our teams. I say this (again...I'm retired) after 35 years in Texas, where it's supposedly life and death. I honestly go about my daily business (gym, golf course, church, etc) and rarely - if ever - hear about the local HS football team. Honestly... relax a little more, guys. Enjoy life. is it the grind or perception of the grind or this notion that somehow we are going to impact each and every kid in profound ways nobody else does or will do? We have teach this that or whatever, this book club, those principles, this leadership or whatever nonsense is the current trend. Just coach fb, be a good teacher your content. There nothing more to it. Save the children from the horror of the moral stump some are on. Just coach fb and teach the content.
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Post by huddlehut on Nov 27, 2019 6:56:23 GMT -6
You know, I'd have never believed this year's ago, but I really think that we (coaches) - while we're coaching - develop a distorted sense of the "importance" of the job. We place a ton of self-imposed pressure and expectations upon ourselves...and it isn't until we've removed ourselves from the job that we realize how we fooled ourselves into believing that we had to "grind" so hard. In reality, it's amazing just how few people really care how your team does each year. We just think that everyone loves and does with the fortunes of our teams. I say this (again...I'm retired) after 35 years in Texas, where it's supposedly life and death. I honestly go about my daily business (gym, golf course, church, etc) and rarely - if ever - hear about the local HS football team. Honestly... relax a little more, guys. Enjoy life. is it the grind or perception of the grind or this notion that somehow we are going to impact each and every kid in profound ways nobody else does or will do? We have teach this that or whatever, this book club, those principles, this leadership or whatever nonsense is the current trend. Just coach fb, be a good teacher your content. There nothing more to it. Save the children from the horror of the moral stump some are on. Just coach fb and teach the content. Agreed. Just coach. Couldn't have said it better.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 27, 2019 7:39:03 GMT -6
You know, I'd have never believed this year's ago...so you probably won't believe it now, but I really think that we (coaches) - while we're coaching - develop a distorted sense of the "importance" of the job. We place a ton of self-imposed pressure and expectations upon ourselves...and it isn't until we've removed ourselves from the job that we realize how we fooled ourselves into believing that we had to "grind" so hard. In reality, it's amazing just how few people really care how your team does each year. We just think that everyone lives and dies with the fortunes of our teams...and I'm not saying that winning isn't important. I say this (again...I'm retired) after 35 years in Texas, where it's supposedly life and death. I honestly go about my daily business (gym, golf course, church, etc) and rarely - if ever - hear about the local HS football team. Honestly... work hard and get after it, but relax a little more, guys. Enjoy life. Exactly. Just worded and written much better than I could have done.
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Post by tigerpride on Nov 27, 2019 8:00:58 GMT -6
I have a staff of mostly paraprofessionals. These guys give up family time and rearrange work schedules to coach. I am in the building daily as a teacher so 2 to 3 of us will take care of the equipment and last minute details. I've been off two weeks and take my time with this process. After Thanksgiving, I'll start meeting with kids and coaches for exit meetings.
The players will have off until January. Then we start the off season. The season goes from January to the last game and in ky, we can be on the field almost all summer. These KIDS need a break from their coaches and football.
PERCEPTION is a big thing. I'm sick of it. I know many head coaches that will admit that they do things to keep up with other programs and maintain positive perception. As an example, ky allows 10 days of spring football. Most of the coaches I know wish it would dissolve, but they go out there anyway and more than likely, the hearts are not in it. We have reduced what we do in spring. We dont hit anymore and we go helmets only and keep things a little laid back. It's for learning only.... now there will be critics that will wonder why we dont hit or have a spring scrimmage. I dont care anymore. I've seen too many kids get hurt in spring. I've seen too many kids not play because of the demands of spring. I've seen spring sport kids feel like they are at a disadvantage and consider quitting their spring sport. This is a lot of pressure on them.
I think every coach has to do what is right for their program. I know certain we will have a great and intensive off season. Our kids will show up and develop. And our staff will work its ass off when the time is right.
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Post by morris on Nov 27, 2019 8:22:30 GMT -6
We give the kids off from the end of the season until January then we get back to lifting. I lift with the kids because I enjoy it and the kids get a kick out of it. I do something football most days but it’s because I enjoy it and not because I feel like I have to grind. Players are only kids once and I feel like they should be able to enjoy being a HS kid.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 8:54:33 GMT -6
I have a staff of mostly paraprofessionals. These guys give up family time and rearrange work schedules to coach. I am in the building daily as a teacher so 2 to 3 of us will take care of the equipment and last minute details. I've been off two weeks and take my time with this process. After Thanksgiving, I'll start meeting with kids and coaches for exit meetings. The players will have off until January. Then we start the off season. The season goes from January to the last game and in ky, we can be on the field almost all summer. These KIDS need a break from their coaches and football. PERCEPTION is a big thing. I'm sick of it. I know many head coaches that will admit that they do things to keep up with other programs and maintain positive perception. As an example, ky allows 10 days of spring football. Most of the coaches I know wish it would dissolve, but they go out there anyway and more than likely, the hearts are not in it. We have reduced what we do in spring. We dont hit anymore and we go helmets only and keep things a little laid back. It's for learning only.... now there will be critics that will wonder why we dont hit or have a spring scrimmage. I dont care anymore. I've seen too many kids get hurt in spring. I've seen too many kids not play because of the demands of spring. I've seen spring sport kids feel like they are at a disadvantage and consider quitting their spring sport. This is a lot of pressure on them. I think every coach has to do what is right for their program. I know certain we will have a great and intensive off season. Our kids will show up and develop. And our staff will work its ass off when the time is right. I think lot of it is many hc shouldnt be hc's. Mostly because they are not ready.
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Post by coachtua on Nov 27, 2019 10:15:03 GMT -6
Depending on the length of the season/depth of playoff run determines what we did as a staff. At my last school we regularly played for a section championship with a couple state title runs. State was played the Friday before Christmas break, which also coincided with the end of our semester. So we had the Christmas break off. We had a 6th period football PE class at our school so we began training as soon as we got back from break. General athletic stuff, lifting, speed and agility work, and football basics: route running, RB drills, QB defensive reads, linemen withing the techniques.
At my current school we haven't made it past the first round, if we get in at all. So we usually give the boys 2-3 weeks before we start doing stuff. Mostly agility and speed work until after Thanksgiving break, all voluntary. After break it becomes mandatory if not in a winter sport. After Christmas break is when we begin football specific training.
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Post by blb on Nov 28, 2019 13:23:11 GMT -6
You must have been such a good family man too.
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Post by mc140 on Nov 28, 2019 15:40:42 GMT -6
How many guys who start the Monday after the season end also spend six week in the summer before camps starts with their team?
I coach 3 sports so I wont even think much about football until May.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 28, 2019 15:51:20 GMT -6
You must have been such a good family man too.
Insert copy and pasted quote from Ralph Jordan about how being away from family actually makes you a better father.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 28, 2019 15:52:00 GMT -6
How many guys who start the Monday after the season end also spend six week in the summer before camps starts with their team? I coach 3 sports so I wont even think much about football until May. 6 weeks? Slacker. 😀
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Post by mrjvi on Nov 28, 2019 20:00:32 GMT -6
I don't expect intense football stuff off season but I do expect proper strength training which helps everyone. If the sport they are in doesn't lift I strongly encourage 15-20 minutes after school before their sport starts to strength train. Year round. If their sport strength trains (unlikely) then great.
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Post by mdunham on Nov 29, 2019 9:13:01 GMT -6
I’m an assistant. I usually take 4-5 months away. Part is due to fact I do basketball from Dec-Feb/Mar. Then after that I usually need another month or two to really decompress, destress, and sleep. I’ll look at some tape or read around but that’s if I’m interested, very causal. Usually in Feb/Mar I’m so drained of everything. I’ll show up to workouts a day or two here and there during spring (most play spring sports so numbers are lower and I attend those games). Once we pick up in June it’s tome to roll.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 29, 2019 9:59:47 GMT -6
I think a lot of the bickering in this thread is coming from different definitions of "football activities", as well as differences in roles. I can easily see HCs making the job a year round job if you count such things as banquet, inventory, off season weights, equipment reconditioning/orders, preparing next year budget, preparing next season calendar etc.
I think those things are quite different than starting playbook review meetings the Monday after your last game, reviewing cut ups, skill work with players etc.
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Post by 60zgo on Nov 30, 2019 19:43:01 GMT -6
I think a lot of the bickering in this thread is coming from different definitions of "football activities", as well as differences in roles. I can easily see HCs making the job a year round job if you count such things as banquet, inventory, off season weights, equipment reconditioning/orders, preparing next year budget, preparing next season calendar etc. I think those things are quite different than starting playbook review meetings the Monday after your last game, reviewing cut ups, skill work with players etc. Strongly agree. One of the interesting aspects of this site and football across the country are the incredible differences that exist between different states/regions/levels, etc, etc. As with most things you don't know what you don't know. So the guys who say "I can't believe you spend this much time" honestly just don't understand the situation.
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Post by center on Dec 1, 2019 12:14:32 GMT -6
As a teacher and a HC I always said there wasn’t a day I walked into school that I didn’t do something for football.
But sometimes that was just spending 5 minutes to send a recruiting list to D3 coaches. Or unlocking the equipment room for the reconditioning guys to pick up the pads and helmets. Not always staying until 6:00 with players.
If your players are in other sports and/or have weights class in the winter and spring there isn’t a lot of stuff you HAVE to do.
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Post by justafbcoach on Dec 4, 2019 10:49:53 GMT -6
Our HC might be a different breed. He has the kids and coaches take some time away after the season ends so they (and we) have an opportunity to recharge a little bit. It really helps the kids recover physically and enjoy some down time and helps us coaches recharge mentally.
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