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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 8:43:46 GMT -6
How many trust kids that the staff knows they shouldnt trust? Always bites in the butt. Yes.... when I got my first HC job, I found myself chasing all the wrong kids and begging them to play. Meanwhile, the rest of the team who showed up and were eager to work..... well they weren't getting the same attention. A wise coach told me "you can only coach the kids that are there and want to be coached". I'm getting better at this but still find myself chasing these kids around. When they do play, they miss practice, cause problems, get that personal foul at the most critical time, are ineligible, get caught with alcohol/vape, and end up quitting or something. We went 1-10 a few years back and I kept putting "that kid" on the field. We could have easily went 1-10 without him lol.... i am not a hc, but if kids dont want to get better, be coached, have an attitude, no need for them to be out. I am convinced, we could do install, lifts, practice in 2.5 hrs. But cant do that if its a daily tractor pull for coaches.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 27, 2019 9:03:15 GMT -6
Worse than that are the ones who shotgun snap to take a knee. Taking a knee from the shotgun is better play than taking on from under center unless you backed up inside the 5. And if you are a shotgun team, taking a knee under center is stupid since you have been in the gun all game. Now, you should still practice it for that one situation, but why change what you do? When we were a gun team, we just took a knee out of double tight. Had backs on both sides of qb and had a rb behind the qb 5 yards. I would much rather there be a bad snap in the gun in that situation 5 yards away from the defenses than under center 1 foot away from the defense. Why is it a better play? The chances of a bad snap in gun are 1000 times higher the further you get from center. Plus, if you're under center and tell the refs you're taking a knee, you can snap it as slow as you want because they defense can't rush.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 27, 2019 9:07:51 GMT -6
Taking a knee from the shotgun is better play than taking on from under center unless you backed up inside the 5. And if you are a shotgun team, taking a knee under center is stupid since you have been in the gun all game. Now, you should still practice it for that one situation, but why change what you do? When we were a gun team, we just took a knee out of double tight. Had backs on both sides of qb and had a rb behind the qb 5 yards. I would much rather there be a bad snap in the gun in that situation 5 yards away from the defenses than under center 1 foot away from the defense. Why is it a better play? The chances of a bad snap in gun are 1000 times higher the further you get from center. Plus, if you're under center and tell the refs you're taking a knee, you can snap it as slow as you want because they defense can't rush. Again, not true in all cases. I have read about officials telling the D to relax, but have never experienced it. In fact we actually won a game in HS on a failed hand to hand center exchange when I was playing.
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Post by coachcb on Nov 27, 2019 9:14:36 GMT -6
I'll get way too tied to my "if-then" list.
We were playing a team that loved to run box DEs; their only job was to contain, contain, contain. After watching film, I made the executive decision to live or die by Down/Belly Dive and Follow, GT Counter, and Power.
We came out in the first offensive series and got completely blown up; their LBs were physical and filled hard inside of those DEs. So, the "if-then list" dictated that we go to PA which I did but our OL struggled with their DL and we only got off a few short passes to the RBs for minimal gains (they tackled well in space). But, I kept calling those other schemes and PA because the almighty "If-Then" list told me to do so.
Our starting Z/WB came up to me twice and asked to run Buck sweep or Down Option/Sweep: "Coach, lemme put a flipper through those DES' hips: they stand straight up.." I ignored him and just continued to get frustrated; we were only managing to eek out some yardage on trap and PA.
In the third quarter, we were down by three scores and I finally relented and called in a Down Option. Sure as chit, our Z/WB took that DE out and our QB took off for a huge gain. I called Bucksweep on the next play and it scored; our Z/WB demolished that DE.
But, it was too little, too late. We dropped the game by 6 points. I'd like to say that I truly learned from the situation but I didn't. I still have the bad habit of breaking down a ton of film, coming up with a comprehensive game plan on either side of the ball and becoming OCD with it.
I was better about it this year as a DC; we made a lot of simple in-game adjustments that weren't in the game plan that paid off. But, I was still pretty much Rain-Man with my game plan sheet: "Fish sticks on Tuesday..".
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 9:23:57 GMT -6
I'll get way too tied to my "if-then" list. We were playing a team that loved to run box DEs; their only job was to contain, contain, contain. After watching film, I made the executive decision to live or die by Down/Belly Dive and Follow, GT Counter, and Power. We came out in the first offensive series and got completely blown up; their LBs were physical and filled hard inside of those DEs. So, the "if-then list" dictated that we go to PA which I did but our OL struggled with their DL and we only got off a few short passes to the RBs for minimal gains (they tackled well in space). But, I kept calling those other schemes and PA because the almighty "If-Then" list told me to do so. Our starting Z/WB came up to me twice and asked to run Buck sweep or Down Option/Sweep: "Coach, lemme put a flipper through those DES' hips: they stand straight up.." I ignored him and just continued to get frustrated; we were only managing to eek out some yardage on trap and PA. In the third quarter, we were down by three scores and I finally relented and called in a Down Option. Sure as chit, our Z/WB took that DE out and our QB took off for a huge gain. I called Bucksweep on the next play and it scored; our Z/WB demolished that DE. But, it was too little, too late. We dropped the game by 6 points. I'd like to say that I truly learned from the situation but I didn't. I still have the bad habit of breaking down a ton of film, coming up with a comprehensive game plan on either side of the ball and becoming OCD with it. I was better about it this year as a DC; we made a lot of simple in-game adjustments that weren't in the game plan that paid off. But, I was still pretty much Rain-Man with my game plan sheet: "Fish sticks on Tuesday..". your players ain stupid.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 27, 2019 9:31:05 GMT -6
Why is it a better play? The chances of a bad snap in gun are 1000 times higher the further you get from center. Plus, if you're under center and tell the refs you're taking a knee, you can snap it as slow as you want because they defense can't rush. Again, not true in all cases. I have read about officials telling the D to relax, but have never experienced it. In fact we actually won a game in HS on a failed hand to hand center exchange when I was playing. I have never seen a ref not keep the defense off the offense in the past 7-10 years. And let's be honest, that game you won was at least 25+ years ago.
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Post by silkyice on Nov 27, 2019 9:33:03 GMT -6
Why is it a better play? The chances of a bad snap in gun are 1000 times higher the further you get from center. Plus, if you're under center and tell the refs you're taking a knee, you can snap it as slow as you want because they defense can't rush. Again, not true in all cases. I have read about officials telling the D to relax, but have never experienced it. In fact we actually won a game in HS on a failed hand to hand center exchange when I was playing. Almost won a semi-final game on this exact scenario. Gun team. Picked ball off late in game on 4th down. Should have knocked it down, but didn’t. Have to take a knee. Go under center. I told the refs that weren’t going to back off here due to where the ball was, the fact they were a gun team, and that it was the semi’s. We were going to force them to execute. 30 seconds left and we had timeouts and ball inside the 5. Well we have two 330 pound nose guards. Put them both in A gaps and get ball back on first snap. Only reason we don’t score is because of a bullcrap hold on the first play. End up kicking 38 yard fg to tie as time expired and lost in OT. What you are failing to understand is two things. You can pressure that snap and exchange and qb when under center. And the most important thing you are missing is, if there is a bad snap, you can get it. The ball is right there. Your chances are as good or better than theirs. In the gun, almost zero pressure and very little pressure on a bad snap. Your still have time and room to jump on it. I have no proof but my own eyes, but I would bet that more snaps or lost under center than in the gun in general. And gun snaps that are lost come in two varieties. One, qb wasn’t expecting the snap, and two high or off snap. Well if you have 4 guys literally ready for the snap, qb, one each side, and one deep, you have just about eliminated those odds.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 27, 2019 9:34:38 GMT -6
Again, not true in all cases. I have read about officials telling the D to relax, but have never experienced it. In fact we actually won a game in HS on a failed hand to hand center exchange when I was playing. I have never seen a ref not keep the defense off the offense in the past 7-10 years. And let's be honest, that game you won was at least 25+ years ago. Yep it was. But I have coached much more recently, and have never seen a ref tell the D to lay off. Now, tell them "don't do anything stupid" sure. "if you get ejected here you can't play next week" absolutely. Whistle and run in once QB kneels..always. But not letting the DLine come off the ball..Never .
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Post by silkyice on Nov 27, 2019 9:37:03 GMT -6
I have never seen a ref not keep the defense off the offense in the past 7-10 years. And let's be honest, that game you won was at least 25+ years ago. Yep it was. But I have coached much more recently, and have never seen a ref tell the D to lay off. Now, tell them "don't do anything stupid" sure. "if you get ejected here you can't play next week" absolutely. Whistle and run in once QB kneels..always. But not letting the DLine come off the ball..Never . My example was two years ago. Also, why can’t the refs tell the other team they can’t rush if you are in shotgun?
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Post by coachcb on Nov 27, 2019 9:38:07 GMT -6
I'll get way too tied to my "if-then" list. We were playing a team that loved to run box DEs; their only job was to contain, contain, contain. After watching film, I made the executive decision to live or die by Down/Belly Dive and Follow, GT Counter, and Power. We came out in the first offensive series and got completely blown up; their LBs were physical and filled hard inside of those DEs. So, the "if-then list" dictated that we go to PA which I did but our OL struggled with their DL and we only got off a few short passes to the RBs for minimal gains (they tackled well in space). But, I kept calling those other schemes and PA because the almighty "If-Then" list told me to do so. Our starting Z/WB came up to me twice and asked to run Buck sweep or Down Option/Sweep: "Coach, lemme put a flipper through those DES' hips: they stand straight up.." I ignored him and just continued to get frustrated; we were only managing to eek out some yardage on trap and PA. In the third quarter, we were down by three scores and I finally relented and called in a Down Option. Sure as chit, our Z/WB took that DE out and our QB took off for a huge gain. I called Bucksweep on the next play and it scored; our Z/WB demolished that DE. But, it was too little, too late. We dropped the game by 6 points. I'd like to say that I truly learned from the situation but I didn't. I still have the bad habit of breaking down a ton of film, coming up with a comprehensive game plan on either side of the ball and becoming OCD with it. I was better about it this year as a DC; we made a lot of simple in-game adjustments that weren't in the game plan that paid off. But, I was still pretty much Rain-Man with my game plan sheet: "Fish sticks on Tuesday..". your players ain stupid.
In my defense, this kid was hit or miss with box DEs on down-blocks in the previous weeks. But, the game plan wasn't working at all so I might as well have given him a shot early on.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 10:14:44 GMT -6
In my defense, this kid was hit or miss with box DEs on down-blocks in the previous weeks. But, the game plan wasn't working at all so I might as well have given him a shot early on.
wasnt meant to be a knock on you.
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Post by dytmook on Nov 27, 2019 10:16:12 GMT -6
Again, not true in all cases. I have read about officials telling the D to relax, but have never experienced it. In fact we actually won a game in HS on a failed hand to hand center exchange when I was playing. I have never seen a ref not keep the defense off the offense in the past 7-10 years. And let's be honest, that game you won was at least 25+ years ago. Had a 7 point game this year, the official on the turnover made sure to have us tell our kids that the ball would still be live taking a knee since it was close and to protect themselves.
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Post by coachcb on Nov 27, 2019 10:20:13 GMT -6
In my defense, this kid was hit or miss with box DEs on down-blocks in the previous weeks. But, the game plan wasn't working at all so I might as well have given him a shot early on.
wasnt meant to be a knock on you.
I know it wasn't coach. I will say that not trusting certain players when they pipe up is a bad habit of many coaches. If Billy says he can get it done, then give him a shot to get it done.
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Post by coachks on Nov 27, 2019 20:10:20 GMT -6
Every year I spend a lot of time in the off season, camp and eventually find an excuse during the season to get into a 3-3 look - except I’ll never actually just put it in right because it’s only ever a package. There have been times that it has been effective. There’s been times it’s been a disaster. It always solves some problem we have, but it always creates a new one.
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Post by indian1 on Nov 28, 2019 10:29:51 GMT -6
I have trouble determining when or when not to change something. I’m a tinkerer, and sometimes I tinker myself right out of good things. Evaluating why something works or doesn’t is difficult for me
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Post by wildcatslbcoach24 on Nov 29, 2019 11:28:53 GMT -6
Sometimes we continually do something that doesnt work because ‘plan-b’ is far worse. Example we are only getting 1 yard a carry running to the left, but if we ran to the right we’d lose yards and probably get someone hurt. I caught alot of flak this year for not throwing the ball. " always running the same old plays." What the fans dont see is that we COULD NOT THROW OR CATCH. It was a waste of time. I wish they could have witness one segment of nk practice where we went 3 for 20 against AIR... Nothing like being the WR coach in this situation... we spun it to the players by becoming the best run blocking WR corps, calling them Flex Ends, etc. we were lucky that we were able to get a few catches on big plays because teams would basically Load 9-10 on the line and we would hit a slant/ pop pass.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 29, 2019 16:23:20 GMT -6
Sometimes we continually do something that doesnt work because ‘plan-b’ is far worse. Example we are only getting 1 yard a carry running to the left, but if we ran to the right we’d lose yards and probably get someone hurt. I caught alot of flak this year for not throwing the ball. " always running the same old plays." What the fans dont see is that we COULD NOT THROW OR CATCH. It was a waste of time. I wish they could have witness one segment of nk practice where we went 3 for 20 against AIR... I had exactly the same thing one season. Had our QB's grandpa just go ape crap one game about how we don't throw enough. The field we were at the fans were about 12 feet away from our sideline. After a while he yells "You know, you can throw the ball!!". I turned around and said we're throwing it on this play, let's see how it goes. Called a little read pattern where the QB read the OLB and depending on what he did we threw a slant or bubble. It was the bubble read and the QB rightly chose to throw it. Terrible throw way behind the WR and we lose 7 yards. I turned around, looked right at grandpa and said. That's why we don't throw the ball. Great call. PUUUUUNT!! And began the slow walk to the other end of the field.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 20:52:09 GMT -6
I’m bitter and stirring the pot, you can dig thru my posts on this site that I know and love but after 11 years I’m not the same guy I was then. I find myself posting and reading this section more and more because when you become the head man it’s more about the stuff in this Section than X’s and O’s but I’m floored as to why “coaches” are above teaching a guy to take a snap under center and run something quick hitting to gain yards. I have worked with coaches who say you simply cannot be under center in the current era because no one will want to play, kids won't enjoy football, and that it makes it easy on the defenses because "you can do so much more in the gun." I suspect that it's really not so much about strategy in the moment to them as it is a marketing thing they see as more important to their career than the current play, game, or season. "The Spread" has been the "cool" thing for about 20 years now. A lot of younger coaches either grew up wanting to run the spread one day or grew up in spread systems and know any different nor do they want to. I think somehow all that clinic talk from the early 2000s about how you couldn't do X from under center but you could do X,Y, and Z from the gun got taken as gospel when ADs saw how boosters and fans reacted to it. One guy I worked for years ago thought it was literally impossible to throw the ball consistently from under center. He was a 24 year old HC who literally said he didn't go to clinics because he knew everything already...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 21:04:11 GMT -6
I wish I could rename this thread, it isn't generating the type of the discussion I was hoping for. I wasn't looking for things that coaches feel are "stupid" but rather trying to hear stories of things that coaches did that clearly were not working, and yet they continued to do them and wondering the reason why they did so. In my experience, when "stupid" stuff keeps being ran, it's because the team has no way to adjust to stop it from happening, or they see a weakness elsewhere in the opponent they're trying to exploit, which forces them to keep doing the "stupid" thing that's blowing it up in order to attack the weakness. It seems easy to look out there and think "well, just double that guy!" but then you may not have a scheme you've practiced that allows you to double him without screwing something up elsewhere. There are coaches on here who will argue that if you haven't ran it since the first week of camp, you can't add it at any point during the season. There are plenty of things you may not have anticipated in week 1, like a stud DE so good your 4* OL can't even slow him down for a couple of seconds, and their philosophy is to stay committed to the horses that brought them, even if those horses can't pull the load the rest of the way up the hill. As an OL coach, I admit that I've been guilty of thinking in terms of what we've got in now, rather than diagnosing specifically what's going on in the moment and drawing something up on the spur of the moment to address it. I've had several times where I've not realized the answer until after the game was over, or until late and thought "well, if we do that it'll just confuse them and open a Pandora's box of new problems." As a DL coach, we really struggled to stop the run this year. We were extremely thin up front and had a bunch of injuries to boot. The result was that we had exactly 5 OL we believed were even competent (and using the word "competent" is being generous). If one of those got hurt, we'd have basically been playing 10 on 11, and the only ones we tried to play both ways both had their seasons ended before the first game was over. We wound up having to 2 platoon without having enough kids who were physically able to carry out their assignments and defense got the short straw. This was against an extremely run-heavy, physical schedule. It was brutal--we gave up over 6 npc and 350 yards each week. Finally, at the end of the year we had some playoff hopes left and some huge games to win against power teams we knew were going to run over us, so we played some kids both ways and instantly improved our defense just by doing that. Unfortunately, we simply couldn't have taken that risk prior to the 7th game because we the risk of injury was just too frightening earlier in the season.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 29, 2019 21:23:40 GMT -6
I’m bitter and stirring the pot, you can dig thru my posts on this site that I know and love but after 11 years I’m not the same guy I was then. I find myself posting and reading this section more and more because when you become the head man it’s more about the stuff in this Section than X’s and O’s but I’m floored as to why “coaches” are above teaching a guy to take a snap under center and run something quick hitting to gain yards. I have worked with coaches who say you simply cannot be under center in the current era because no one will want to play, kids won't enjoy football, and that it makes it easy on the defenses because "you can do so much more in the gun." I suspect that it's really not so much about strategy in the moment to them as it is a marketing thing they see as more important to their career than the current play, game, or season. "The Spread" has been the "cool" thing for about 20 years now. A lot of younger coaches either grew up wanting to run the spread one day or grew up in spread systems and know any different nor do they want to. I think somehow all that clinic talk from the early 2000s about how you couldn't do X from under center but you could do X,Y, and Z from the gun got taken as gospel when ADs saw how boosters and fans reacted to it. One guy I worked for years ago thought it was literally impossible to throw the ball consistently from under center. He was a 24 year old HC who literally said he didn't go to clinics because he knew everything already... People who run the I out of gun or pistol absolutely stupify me.
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Post by coachdubyah on Nov 29, 2019 21:56:12 GMT -6
I wish I could rename this thread, it isn't generating the type of the discussion I was hoping for. I wasn't looking for things that coaches feel are "stupid" but rather trying to hear stories of things that coaches did that clearly were not working, and yet they continued to do them and wondering the reason why they did so. In my experience, when "stupid" stuff keeps being ran, it's because the team has no way to adjust to stop it from happening, or they see a weakness elsewhere in the opponent they're trying to exploit, which forces them to keep doing the "stupid" thing that's blowing it up in order to attack the weakness. It seems easy to look out there and think "well, just double that guy!" but then you may not have a scheme you've practiced that allows you to double him without screwing something up elsewhere. There are coaches on here who will argue that if you haven't ran it since the first week of camp, you can't add it at any point during the season. There are plenty of things you may not have anticipated in week 1, like a stud DE so good your 4* OL can't even slow him down for a couple of seconds, and their philosophy is to stay committed to the horses that brought them, even if those horses can't pull the load the rest of the way up the hill. As an OL coach, I admit that I've been guilty of thinking in terms of what we've got in now, rather than diagnosing specifically what's going on in the moment and drawing something up on the spur of the moment to address it. I've had several times where I've not realized the answer until after the game was over, or until late and thought "well, if we do that it'll just confuse them and open a Pandora's box of new problems." As a DL coach, we really struggled to stop the run this year. We were extremely thin up front and had a bunch of injuries to boot. The result was that we had exactly 5 OL we believed were even competent (and using the word "competent" is being generous). If one of those got hurt, we'd have basically been playing 10 on 11, and the only ones we tried to play both ways both had their seasons ended before the first game was over. We wound up having to 2 platoon without having enough kids who were physically able to carry out their assignments and defense got the short straw. This was against an extremely run-heavy, physical schedule. It was brutal--we gave up over 6 npc and 350 yards each week. Finally, at the end of the year we had some playoff hopes left and some huge games to win against power teams we knew were going to run over us, so we played some kids both ways and instantly improved our defense just by doing that. Unfortunately, we simply couldn't have taken that risk prior to the 7th game because we the risk of injury was just too frightening earlier in the season. Good Post.
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Post by dytmook on Nov 30, 2019 15:22:01 GMT -6
I have worked with coaches who say you simply cannot be under center in the current era because no one will want to play, kids won't enjoy football, and that it makes it easy on the defenses because "you can do so much more in the gun." I suspect that it's really not so much about strategy in the moment to them as it is a marketing thing they see as more important to their career than the current play, game, or season. "The Spread" has been the "cool" thing for about 20 years now. A lot of younger coaches either grew up wanting to run the spread one day or grew up in spread systems and know any different nor do they want to. I think somehow all that clinic talk from the early 2000s about how you couldn't do X from under center but you could do X,Y, and Z from the gun got taken as gospel when ADs saw how boosters and fans reacted to it. One guy I worked for years ago thought it was literally impossible to throw the ball consistently from under center. He was a 24 year old HC who literally said he didn't go to clinics because he knew everything already... People who run the I out of gun or pistol absolutely stupify me. Is that if they always do it or if they do it at all? We will do some "I" stuff out of gun and pistol, but we will also do the same thing from under center. Doing it from the gun gives us a couple QB run wrinkles while under center gives us better play action looks. Our actual base was the "I" about 10 years ago and we've tweaked based on personnel for the past 6 years or so.
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Post by rosey65 on Dec 4, 2019 7:38:07 GMT -6
We've faced a team the last few years who sits in a 4-3 Man-0. They are also the big, slow, white school of the area, a la Stanford/Wisconsin.
When you go 4-wide, they keep 7 in the box and play man on the 4 receivers, 8 yards off, outside alignment, eyes in the back field.
You cant run on em or even throw underneath, but every team torches them with a skinny post time and time again. Watching them on film, we think "they cant possibly sit in the defense," but when game time rolls around, there they are. Our QB went 6/7 for 400 yards and 4 TDs throwing the skinny post, we had less than 60 yards of offense otherwise.
The same team also runs Triple Option behind the aforementioned MASSIVE white OL. They're cut from a mold, possibly all 5 related, all at least 6'3" and 285lb. We couldn't stop the dive, struggled with option responsibilities, yet they continued to try and run Rocket Toss against our undersized and fast defense. Our DC keot working with our defense on the sideline, "guys, they're not gonna run toss all game, we need to keep focus on option assignments..."
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Post by agap on Dec 4, 2019 8:07:48 GMT -6
Sometimes that "stupid" thing is better than the alternative.
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Post by cwaltsmith on Dec 4, 2019 8:44:16 GMT -6
Or when it’s 4th and inches someone gets in the gun snaps it back 4 yards and hands it to a Rb that 7yds to run IZ. What is the difference in doing this and lining up under center and turning around and handing it to a TB that is aligned 7 yds deep and running power? 7 yds is 7 yds whether your in the gun or under... I personally think lining up iin the gun and snapping it to a runner @ 5 yds & letting him run power with an extra blocker is a much better play. Obviously SNEAK is the easiest thing to do but if you cant move them then maybe its not.
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Post by coachdubyah on Dec 4, 2019 8:47:01 GMT -6
Or when it’s 4th and inches someone gets in the gun snaps it back 4 yards and hands it to a Rb that 7yds to run IZ. What is the difference in doing this and lining up under center and turning around and handing it to a TB that is aligned 7 yds deep and running power? 7 yds is 7 yds whether your in the gun or under... I personally think lining up iin the gun and snapping it to a runner @ 5 yds & letting him run power with an extra blocker is a much better play. Obviously SNEAK is the easiest thing to do but if you cant move them then maybe its not. Touché but, I was referring to a D1 college.😜 I’m all for direct snap.
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Post by cwaltsmith on Dec 4, 2019 8:47:59 GMT -6
I think over thinking and giving that other staff too much credit and those other players too much credit is the main reason we dont do the obvious some times....
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Post by coachwoodall on Dec 4, 2019 18:31:20 GMT -6
I have worked with coaches who say you simply cannot be under center in the current era because no one will want to play, kids won't enjoy football, and that it makes it easy on the defenses because "you can do so much more in the gun." I suspect that it's really not so much about strategy in the moment to them as it is a marketing thing they see as more important to their career than the current play, game, or season. "The Spread" has been the "cool" thing for about 20 years now. A lot of younger coaches either grew up wanting to run the spread one day or grew up in spread systems and know any different nor do they want to. I think somehow all that clinic talk from the early 2000s about how you couldn't do X from under center but you could do X,Y, and Z from the gun got taken as gospel when ADs saw how boosters and fans reacted to it. One guy I worked for years ago thought it was literally impossible to throw the ball consistently from under center. He was a 24 year old HC who literally said he didn't go to clinics because he knew everything already... People who run the I out of gun or pistol absolutely stupify me. Our biggest rival does just this.... provided they have the personnel. They run power, iso, toss, and boot and are a pain in the arse. Been doing it for the last 15 years I've been around the parts.
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Post by CS on Dec 5, 2019 5:12:58 GMT -6
I have never seen a ref not keep the defense off the offense in the past 7-10 years. And let's be honest, that game you won was at least 25+ years ago. Yep it was. But I have coached much more recently, and have never seen a ref tell the D to lay off. Now, tell them "don't do anything stupid" sure. "if you get ejected here you can't play next week" absolutely. Whistle and run in once QB kneels..always. But not letting the DLine come off the ball..Never . They’re serious about it here. If you elect to take a knee you have won. We had a ref come to the sideline and tell me if one of our kids “fired out like that against a defenseless player he would be ejected” Kid came out of his stance and shot his hands like in practice. If you would have seen it you would have thought nothing of it. So anyway we don’t touch the other team in victory formation anymore. This of course will end when some straight up visor douche decides to get into victory formation and run a trick play to bump his bro stats.
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Post by silkyice on Dec 5, 2019 8:03:14 GMT -6
They’re serious about it here. If you elect to take a knee you have won. We had a ref come to the sideline and tell me if one of our kids “fired out like that against a defenseless player he would be ejected” Is this no matter what? Do the refs blow the whistle immediately on the snap? It wouldn’t be fair if the offense got to waste more time by waiting to take a knee. What if they are backed up inside the one of two?
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