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Post by CS on Nov 21, 2019 7:40:56 GMT -6
I'm curious if anyone else finds that the worst school districts as far as academic achievement are always the ones that have the most ridiculous applications to fill out? By ridiculous I mean they basically want all your report cards k-12 and a colonoscopy to turn in.
I'm wondering if its a state thing so they look like they are bringing in the highest quality teacher or what?
I'm not saying they should take anyone but people aren't clamoring to go and work in these places.
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Post by coachcb on Nov 21, 2019 8:19:45 GMT -6
This is something I've seen as well. One district has a ridiculously high turn-0ver rate for teachers and administration, they struggle academically and I've heard horror stories about working there.
Their application:
1. The initial app is online and takes hours upon hours to complete. It's ten solid pages and wants three different essays detailing your teaching style, what you think defines a quality educator, etc..etc.. They throw out the application if there's any grammar errors in the essays. This isn't unreasonable except for the fact that their spell check doesn't recognize words like "differentiation".
2. In that online app, they want you to upload a minimum of five letters of recommendation, official transcripts from every college you've been at, a resume, a copy of your teaching cert, documentation of your CEUs for renewal and a letter of interest.
3. They also want you to record yourself teaching for twenty minutes and upload it to the application.
4. Most schools ask that you fill out paperwork asking for permission to run a background check. This district asks that you do that by yourself; get the paperwork, pay to get your finger prints done and then submit it to the school. Then they'll run the background check.
5. You also have to get their tb test paperwork, have the test done and mail it.
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Post by **** on Nov 21, 2019 8:23:36 GMT -6
I'm curious if anyone else finds that the worst school districts as far as academic achievement are always the ones that have the most ridiculous applications to fill out? By ridiculous I mean they basically want all your report cards k-12 and a colonoscopy to turn in. I'm wondering if its a state thing so they look like they are bringing in the highest quality teacher or what? I'm not saying they should take anyone but people aren't clamoring to go and work in these places. This is correct in MO
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 8:38:12 GMT -6
I find it to be true in big cities where the schools are are supposedly amongst the better schools
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Post by wolverine55 on Nov 21, 2019 9:56:37 GMT -6
I'm happy where I am, so not actively looking...but I've actually not applied for jobs I had some interest in just because the application process is so tedious. I guess maybe that's the point: weed some of us out right away?
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Post by coachcb on Nov 21, 2019 11:41:14 GMT -6
I'm happy where I am, so not actively looking...but I've actually not applied for jobs I had some interest in just because the application process is so tedious. I guess maybe that's the point: weed some of us out right away?
I could see that logic in a thriving school district. But, it seems counter productive if a district is struggling and has high-turnover. They're going to want as many applicants as possible and making the application process a PITA isn't going to accomplish that. I've worked on an interview committee and we wanted as big a pool to pick from as possible.
And, having been on an interview committee, I've got some insight into how everything shakes out in the end as is; the administration weeded people out for interviews according to their references and then the interview made or broke the hire. So, in reality, the only real information they were looking at was "Who Knows You?".
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Post by justafbcoach on Nov 21, 2019 11:57:22 GMT -6
I'd imagine the struggling districts are struggling to find good educators, so having a stringent process makes sense from that point of view. Logically? I think it's insane. I've filled out a lot of applications looking for coaching jobs because a lot of districts down in Florida make you fill them out even if it's only a supplemented position. It's definitely made me much more deliberate in where I want to apply.
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Post by CS on Nov 21, 2019 17:16:42 GMT -6
I'd imagine the struggling districts are struggling to find good educators, so having a stringent process makes sense from that point of view. Logically? I think it's insane. I've filled out a lot of applications looking for coaching jobs because a lot of districts down in Florida make you fill them out even if it's only a supplemented position. It's definitely made me much more deliberate in where I want to apply. In my opinion this logic is flawed. Generally speaking the ones who are willing to jump through all of the hoops are people who are desperate for a job or at best desperate for a new job because they hate the one they have. Plus these districts don’t generally pay an overwhelming amount of money so that’s not a draw. There is really no logical reason to have a more rigorous application process
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Post by coachlit on Nov 22, 2019 8:22:53 GMT -6
You'd figure with such a low retention rate and pay disparity school districts would loosen some of these egregious applications.
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Post by MICoach on Nov 22, 2019 9:38:07 GMT -6
My county has a common application that can be imported for new job applications, but it does take multiple hours to fill out the first time, and it is only for public schools (I think the charter high schools might use it too). Some neighboring counties use the same thing.
I've seen a mix in private schools - some of the Christian schools have huge applications but I also interviewed at a Catholic school that just wanted a resume and letter of interest.
Most of the charter schools have a huge application online that requires a bunch of time and you can't import...I have no idea how they choose their candidates because I didn't get called in for interviews for parapro jobs I was overqualified for. Probably dodged a bullet on that.
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Post by planck on Nov 22, 2019 21:58:12 GMT -6
I {censored} you not, the last school I worked for bragged that they had high teacher turnover because of the school's "high standards." The worst part was, they actually believed that.
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Post by mc140 on Nov 23, 2019 0:51:08 GMT -6
One district with poor test scores but average pay I applied at wanted you to record five 60 second video answers. Which is fine except you got 30 seconds to formulate an answer and could not re-record your answer. Obviously there had to be applicants who knew what was coming ahead of time.
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Post by 19delta on Nov 23, 2019 20:52:51 GMT -6
What is the pay like at these districts? Generally speaking, it has been my experience that the higher payng the district is, the more onerous the application process.
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Post by mc140 on Nov 23, 2019 22:31:22 GMT -6
You would also think some of these places who can not even get applicant for jobs would take a look at their hiring process and maybe make it easier to at least get people to apply and interview. The city of Chicago is killing a lot of the local elementary school districts as they pay a lot more. It hasn't hit the high school districts because they pay well.
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Post by fcboiler87 on Nov 24, 2019 8:27:06 GMT -6
My district struggles with test scores and we just pray someone applies for our teaching positions that is actually certified. If you have a pulse, a certification and fill out a simple application, you've at minimum got an interview!
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Post by 50slantstrong on Nov 24, 2019 20:43:51 GMT -6
That’s so true. I never even realized.
I applied for a teaching job at a very low-scoring district with turnstile administrators and they made me write 7 different philosophy of education statements (4-5000 words) for a middle school PE job
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Post by bigdog2003 on Nov 25, 2019 13:29:37 GMT -6
I {censored} you not, the last school I worked for bragged that they had high teacher turnover because of the school's "high standards." The worst part was, they actually believed that. Sounds like the school I left in January. I had the most seniority in the school as a 33 year old. In my 7+ years there we had replaced entire grade level staffs more than once. We even had a lady set the record for shortest teaching career with 6 school days. From hired to quit in 6 days.
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Post by wolverine55 on Nov 25, 2019 14:02:29 GMT -6
I {censored} you not, the last school I worked for bragged that they had high teacher turnover because of the school's "high standards." The worst part was, they actually believed that. Sounds like the school I left in January. I had the most seniority in the school as a 33 year old. In my 7+ years there we had replaced entire grade level staffs more than once. We even had a lady set the record for shortest teaching career with 6 school days. From hired to quit in 6 days. I'll be honest: earlier in my teaching career, I probably realized after 5-6 days at a school I made a mistake. But...I at least gutted through a semester and resigned at that point. At least I told my principal early enough to where he didn't bother with evaluations!
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Post by planck on Nov 25, 2019 15:14:41 GMT -6
Yeah...I knew in less than a month that it wasn't gonna work. Stuck it out for 4 years anyway.
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Post by kylem56 on Nov 25, 2019 18:26:12 GMT -6
at the worst school I was at (1-9, 3-7, 2-8, 1-9), we hurt for numbers but every sport struggled and we noticed it was a cultural thing within the school as well. Low expectations, passing kids through just because, kids thought it was acceptable to call teachers dude or by their first name. Just a strange environment that was too much for us to overcome. This is a rural, low-to-middle class school. We knew we were in a different place when there was stray cats in the hallways (no joke). Tough kids, many of them were appreciative of what we tried to do with the program, and several of them keep in touch with me which ultimately is what makes all the hard times special.
I took over as the interim HC that last year (when the first interim HC just randomly picked and choosed when to come to practice) and then applied for the job when it was officially posted and didnt get it. Thank GOD! I ended up as an assistant at a big successful program for 4 years, loved my time there and it led alot of knowledge learned and led to a Head Coach position in a great community.
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Post by coachriley on Dec 2, 2019 10:01:10 GMT -6
This is something I've seen as well. One district has a ridiculously high turn-0ver rate for teachers and administration, they struggle academically and I've heard horror stories about working there. Their application: 1. The initial app is online and takes hours upon hours to complete. It's ten solid pages and wants three different essays detailing your teaching style, what you think defines a quality educator, etc..etc.. They throw out the application if there's any grammar errors in the essays. This isn't unreasonable except for the fact that their spell check doesn't recognize words like "differentiation". 2. In that online app, they want you to upload a minimum of five letters of recommendation, official transcripts from every college you've been at, a resume, a copy of your teaching cert, documentation of your CEUs for renewal and a letter of interest. 3. They also want you to record yourself teaching for twenty minutes and upload it to the application. 4. Most schools ask that you fill out paperwork asking for permission to run a background check. This district asks that you do that by yourself; get the paperwork, pay to get your finger prints done and then submit it to the school. Then they'll run the background check. 5. You also have to get their tb test paperwork, have the test done and mail it. As soon as I see that it asks for a video of any kind, I close the application and realize I don't need to apply there lol.
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Post by coachcb on Dec 2, 2019 10:55:50 GMT -6
coachrileyThat is my thought as well. I did it once, used the video format that they asked for and they stated that they couldn't open it. I spent about three hours messing around with the formatting but they still griped that they couldn't open it.
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Post by rosey65 on Dec 2, 2019 11:08:23 GMT -6
In my school district in FL, school achievement is closely affiliated with the surrounding neighborhood demographic.
No one wants to go to the poorer schools to teach, especially when most incentives come from school/student achievement.
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Post by silkyice on Dec 2, 2019 11:45:38 GMT -6
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Post by Chris Clement on Dec 2, 2019 15:18:57 GMT -6
This is something I've seen as well. One district has a ridiculously high turn-0ver rate for teachers and administration, they struggle academically and I've heard horror stories about working there. Their application: 1. The initial app is online and takes hours upon hours to complete. It's ten solid pages and wants three different essays detailing your teaching style, what you think defines a quality educator, etc..etc.. They throw out the application if there's any grammar errors in the essays. This isn't unreasonable except for the fact that their spell check doesn't recognize words like "differentiation". 2. In that online app, they want you to upload a minimum of five letters of recommendation, official transcripts from every college you've been at, a resume, a copy of your teaching cert, documentation of your CEUs for renewal and a letter of interest. 3. They also want you to record yourself teaching for twenty minutes and upload it to the application. 4. Most schools ask that you fill out paperwork asking for permission to run a background check. This district asks that you do that by yourself; get the paperwork, pay to get your finger prints done and then submit it to the school. Then they'll run the background check. 5. You also have to get their tb test paperwork, have the test done and mail it. Tuberculosis??
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Post by coachcb on Dec 2, 2019 15:35:20 GMT -6
Yes, Tuberculosis test. In the states, that's typically something that they'll require you to have done after you're hired. And, they don't generally have you to use their paperwork; you go into a clinic, get the test done and then hand the school the results. And, the school pays for the test..
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Post by Chris Clement on Dec 3, 2019 13:30:06 GMT -6
Ironically, there's probably more teachers dying of OVER-consumption.
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Post by larrymoe on Dec 3, 2019 14:05:05 GMT -6
I {censored} you not, the last school I worked for bragged that they had high teacher turnover because of the school's "high standards." The worst part was, they actually believed that. Sounds like the school I left in January. I had the most seniority in the school as a 33 year old. In my 7+ years there we had replaced entire grade level staffs more than once. We even had a lady set the record for shortest teaching career with 6 school days. From hired to quit in 6 days. I knew that I didn't want to stay at the school I worked at by the 4th of July last year. Hoped the teaching end would be different. It wasn't.
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