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Post by CanyonCoach on Nov 11, 2019 18:08:14 GMT -6
We don't get many DI kids at all let alone an FBS athletes.
Here is our situation: 2 FCS schools in state and 2 that swing through occasionally. 8 years as HC and I have yet to have a FBS school walk through our doors.
3 DII schools that recruit our kids- 2 of them have been bad very bad recently, the other one is middle of the pack each year but doesn't do much for scholarships.
4 NAIA schools- 2 have made the play-offs and it is pretty good football, the other 2 are bad- very bad.
2 JC's- these are very good schools with respectable programs.
This leads to what I call over recruited and under recruited athletes: The top end kids never get recruited by FBS schools and end up at one of the 2 FCS schools (they are both exceptional programs, I think in part because of the lack of competition for in state athletes)
The middle of the road kids think they are DI athletes or at least high end DII athletes because 3 schools are courting them and 4 NAIA schools are waiting around to fill roster spots. So they are being recruited by 7 schools.
The kids who should be looking at DIII/NAIA programs that they could compete at are somewhat insulted that the DII schools aren't recruiting them so they decide to just not play at all. There is a DIII school that comes through every season to try and get a few kids.
So obviously we are not a talent rich hotbed for football. I would like to know what you encounter and how kids react to the recruiting process.
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Post by carookie on Nov 12, 2019 15:02:37 GMT -6
I am in Southern California and have been at various level schools around here. It is a hotbed and many college level players of various levels. At the bigger schools, with coaches who were knowledgeable about recruitment, the kids tended to be very accepting of the process and understanding of what level they fit best. One of the best kids I ever coached was a borderline FBS kid, but actually went D2 and is now DOMINATING. So not everyone is deluded into thinking they're going to USC.
At some of the smaller schools things can be different, there seems to be less emphasis on recruitment and coaches as a whole are less knowledgeable. I have been at some schools where kids we played against in the season will come to our campus after their senior year so we can help them get to college. Although, with HUDL being pretty much everywhere, and camps being so ubiquitous, most kids seem to be able to find their right level.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 16:16:27 GMT -6
We have 4 FBS schools in our state and a bunch of FCS. We also have about 5 D2 or D3 schools within a couple of hours' drive, but the nearest NAIA is quite a bit further away.
In my coaching career, I was at a larger school and had 1 kid get some low-level FBS and FCS attention. He was a QB who eventually signed with a D2 school and started a bunch as a freshman, but decided he didn't like the school, quit, and transferred.
Since then, I've had a kid who got recruited by a bunch of D3/NAIA programs, though none of them stuck with it once they got to college. A few years ago I got to coach at a place that had sent a couple of kids to an SEC school a few years prior. It's pretty routine for them to have a few kids sign with D2/D3/NAIA school each year. At my current school, we had one kid who was being recruited by a D2 school after impressing them at camp, but it's been a while since anyone from there has signed anywhere.
It's routine in our area to face several future D1 players each year and a bunch of D2. It's normal to face about 2-3 FBS kids (this year we faced a team who had 3 at once) and maybe half a dozen FCS prospects. Most teams here have at least 1-2 kids who could play D2 if they wanted, though they might not get money for it. We don't see many P5 recruits, but the service academies, C-USA, AAC, and Sun Belt will usually get a handful of kids from our neck of the woods each year.
The sucky thing is that the first round of the playoffs always pits our local teams against a minor hotbed (Knoxville area) that does produce a decent amount of P5 and G5 recruits each year. You can imagine how that works out for us.
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Post by klaby on Nov 15, 2019 9:22:32 GMT -6
1 D1 program in the state, ranked top 25 every year, recruits big boys mostly. But we have the best D3 schools in the country for football and they recruit in state kids heavily. No NAIA, and No D2. realistic expectations right, i mean if your a stud they will find you and they will recruit you. If they arent, in most cases its because you just arent that good.
Nothing wrong with playing D3 getting an education and having fun in college.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 16, 2019 22:57:30 GMT -6
Nothing wrong with playing D3 getting an education and having fun in college. Unless you are paying just to play ball... Just my opinion. |
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Post by 53 on Nov 17, 2019 11:41:54 GMT -6
1 D1 program in the state, ranked top 25 every year, recruits big boys mostly. But we have the best D3 schools in the country for football and they recruit in state kids heavily. No NAIA, and No D2. realistic expectations right, i mean if your a stud they will find you and they will recruit you. If they arent, in most cases its because you just arent that good. Nothing wrong with playing D3 getting an education and having fun in college. I don’t think it’s the smartest move, if it comes with crippling student debt. Easy to let an emotional decision lead you down a path that will cost you the rest of your life. |
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Post by klaby on Nov 18, 2019 11:27:54 GMT -6
1 D1 program in the state, ranked top 25 every year, recruits big boys mostly. But we have the best D3 schools in the country for football and they recruit in state kids heavily. No NAIA, and No D2. realistic expectations right, i mean if your a stud they will find you and they will recruit you. If they arent, in most cases its because you just arent that good. Nothing wrong with playing D3 getting an education and having fun in college. I don’t think it’s the smartest move, if it comes with crippling student debt. Easy to let an emotional decision lead you down a path that will cost you the rest of your life. Most of these D3 programs are State schools, so cost is not way out of line. Private schools, yes crazy money...CRAZY!....but at a State school you can be in 7-10K a year range which isn't great, but also not crippling. |
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Post by 53 on Nov 18, 2019 11:55:41 GMT -6
I don’t think it’s the smartest move, if it comes with crippling student debt. Easy to let an emotional decision lead you down a path that will cost you the rest of your life. Most of these D3 programs are State schools, so cost is not way out of line. Private schools, yes crazy money...CRAZY!....but at a State school you can be in 7-10K a year range which isn't great, but also not crippling. It's the other way around here. Most of our D3 schools are private with state schools being larger FBS and FCS teams. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 12:13:53 GMT -6
If they want you, d-3, you can get it paid for. Some of that is academic, doing other things. The biggest problem i have seen though is kids are not ready for the time commitment at the college level. Lot of the optional stuff in hs, you can get away it in hs, is punishable, grounds for dismissal in college.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 18, 2019 18:59:42 GMT -6
If they want you, d-3, you can get it paid for. Some of that is academic, doing other things. The biggest problem i have seen though is kids are not ready for the time commitment at the college level. Lot of the optional stuff in hs, you can get away it in hs, is punishable, grounds for dismissal in college. Perhaps-- but it has been my experience that many if not most times the money offered still results in a large bill for the family. Not worth it to play ball in my opinion. |
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