smcauliffe54
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Post by smcauliffe54 on Nov 2, 2019 18:46:22 GMT -6
yeah strength of conferences is a reason to have more than just conference champions in playoffs. had 2 teams from same conference that won a state title last year in div 1 and 3. had us and another team in our conference last year make the state title game in division 4 and 6. we won they didnt. I think the image of conference that bobgoodman had is different than this. I know the concept of conference as you seem to be using (forced league play games) with different enrollments (which I am assuming you are insinuating, by mentioning div 1 and 3) is very different than what I am used to in Louisiana. Our "conferences" so to speak (forced league games) are all grouped by similar enrollments. yeah conferences arent by enrollment size here. they tried to do that but it got voted down. too many teams were too far away.
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Post by fantom on Nov 3, 2019 7:25:30 GMT -6
yeah strength of conferences is a reason to have more than just conference champions in playoffs. had 2 teams from same conference that won a state title last year in div 1 and 3. had us and another team in our conference last year make the state title game in division 4 and 6. we won they didnt. I think the image of conference that bobgoodman had is different than this. I know the concept of conference as you seem to be using (forced league play games) with different enrollments (which I am assuming you are insinuating, by mentioning div 1 and 3) is very different than what I am used to in Louisiana. Our "conferences" so to speak (forced league games) are all grouped by similar enrollments. Our conference (They'e called districts here) is made up of schools from many classifications. Most schools are in the district that we want to be in, to the best of my knowledge. There was talk about making districts based on enrollment. It would have broken up long standing rivalries so it was voted down. Our district has schools in Classifications 3 through 6. This year the two best teams in the league are a 3 and a 6. Those two schools are at or near the top every year.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 3, 2019 9:34:46 GMT -6
I think the image of conference that bobgoodman had is different than this. I know the concept of conference as you seem to be using (forced league play games) with different enrollments (which I am assuming you are insinuating, by mentioning div 1 and 3) is very different than what I am used to in Louisiana. Our "conferences" so to speak (forced league games) are all grouped by similar enrollments. Our conference (They'e called districts here) is made up of schools from many classifications. Most schools are in the district that we want to be in, to the best of my knowledge. There was talk about making districts based on enrollment. It would have broken up long standing rivalries so it was voted down. Our district has schools in Classifications 3 through 6. This year the two best teams in the league are a 3 and a 6. Those two schools are at or near the top every year. Louisiana does a lot of things wrong as a state..lol, and since the private/public (or "select, non-select") split HS sport playoff structure is kind of screwed up too. However, prior to the split, I would argue that they had one of the more logical and sensible set ups. It is hard for me to wrap my head around the fact that you could be forced into a league/district/conference (and therefore games) etc with schools 2 to 3 classes bigger. It would be interesting to see a population density map of the various states. fantom what is the general difference in enrollment between a class 3 and class 6 school?
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Post by fantom on Nov 3, 2019 10:11:42 GMT -6
Our conference (They'e called districts here) is made up of schools from many classifications. Most schools are in the district that we want to be in, to the best of my knowledge. There was talk about making districts based on enrollment. It would have broken up long standing rivalries so it was voted down. Our district has schools in Classifications 3 through 6. This year the two best teams in the league are a 3 and a 6. Those two schools are at or near the top every year. Louisiana does a lot of things wrong as a state..lol, and since the private/public (or "select, non-select") split HS sport playoff structure is kind of screwed up too. However, prior to the split, I would argue that they had one of the more logical and sensible set ups. It is hard for me to wrap my head around the fact that you could be forced into a league/district/conference (and therefore games) etc with schools 2 to 3 classes bigger. It would be interesting to see a population density map of the various states. fantom what is the general difference in enrollment between a class 3 and class 6 school? Before I look into the numbers I'll assure you that nobody in our district has been forced into it. I've heard that in some parts of the state that's happened but all of the schools in our district want to be there. A few years ago the state went to six classifications. when they did they also stopped allowing schools to play "up" in a higher classification. The 3 school that I mentioned is the one where I coached and had been highly successful playing "up". When the state went to six classifications the idea was that eventually schools would be redistricted. That might have broken up long-standing rivalries. None of us wanted that.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 3, 2019 10:37:06 GMT -6
Louisiana does a lot of things wrong as a state..lol, and since the private/public (or "select, non-select") split HS sport playoff structure is kind of screwed up too. However, prior to the split, I would argue that they had one of the more logical and sensible set ups. It is hard for me to wrap my head around the fact that you could be forced into a league/district/conference (and therefore games) etc with schools 2 to 3 classes bigger. It would be interesting to see a population density map of the various states. fantom what is the general difference in enrollment between a class 3 and class 6 school? Before I look into the numbers I'll assure you that nobody in our district has been forced into it. I've heard that in some parts of the state that's happened but all of the schools in our district want to be there. A few years ago the state went to six classifications. when they did they also stopped allowing schools to play "up" in a higher classification. The 3 school that I mentioned is the one where I coached and had been highly successful playing "up". When the state went to six classifications the idea was that eventually schools would be redistricted. That might have broken up long-standing rivalries. None of us wanted that. What is the basis by which the districts are formed? Here it is geography, by school enrollment size. How many schools are in each district? That is the biggest issue in Louisiana...some districts might be 8-9 team districts (7 -8 games locked in on schedule) and some might be 4 (3 games locked in on schedule). Why would all the schools want to be in the district? Are there any large variances in school sizes? Any schools who might be in a district where they are the smallest school by a factor of 2 or 3?
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Post by fantom on Nov 3, 2019 10:41:23 GMT -6
Our conference (They'e called districts here) is made up of schools from many classifications. Most schools are in the district that we want to be in, to the best of my knowledge. There was talk about making districts based on enrollment. It would have broken up long standing rivalries so it was voted down. Our district has schools in Classifications 3 through 6. This year the two best teams in the league are a 3 and a 6. Those two schools are at or near the top every year. Louisiana does a lot of things wrong as a state..lol, and since the private/public (or "select, non-select") split HS sport playoff structure is kind of screwed up too. However, prior to the split, I would argue that they had one of the more logical and sensible set ups. It is hard for me to wrap my head around the fact that you could be forced into a league/district/conference (and therefore games) etc with schools 2 to 3 classes bigger. It would be interesting to see a population density map of the various states. fantom what is the general difference in enrollment between a class 3 and class 6 school? VHSL classifications as of 2018: D.6: 3777-1965 D.5: 1947-1550 D.4: 1541-1133 D.3: 1132-738 D.2: 732-477 D.1: 453-57 Of the schools that I mentioned, the D.3's enrollment is 1017, 19th largest in D.3. The D.5 school (I was mistaken. The largest school in the district is a 5, not a 6) has 1900 students, 9th largest in D.5. They played last week for the district championship. The D.3 won 21-6.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 3, 2019 10:49:17 GMT -6
Louisiana does a lot of things wrong as a state..lol, and since the private/public (or "select, non-select") split HS sport playoff structure is kind of screwed up too. However, prior to the split, I would argue that they had one of the more logical and sensible set ups. It is hard for me to wrap my head around the fact that you could be forced into a league/district/conference (and therefore games) etc with schools 2 to 3 classes bigger. It would be interesting to see a population density map of the various states. fantom what is the general difference in enrollment between a class 3 and class 6 school? VHSL classifications as of 2018: D.6: 3777-1965 D.5: 1947-1550 D.4: 1541-1133 D.3: 1132-738 D.2: 732-477 D.1: 453-57 Of the schools that I mentioned, the D.3's enrollment is 1017, 19th largest in D.3. The D.5 school (I was mistaken. The largest school in the district is a 5, not a 6) has 1900 students, 9th largest in D.5. They played last week for the district championship. The D.3 won 21-6. Ok, that makes a bit more sense to me, as those differentials aren't that impactful, particularly at the higher levels. I don't think any school in Louisiana has over say 2,300 kids though. Largest class probably has schools from that peak down to say 1,050 or so.
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Post by fantom on Nov 3, 2019 11:07:36 GMT -6
VHSL classifications as of 2018: D.6: 3777-1965 D.5: 1947-1550 D.4: 1541-1133 D.3: 1132-738 D.2: 732-477 D.1: 453-57 Of the schools that I mentioned, the D.3's enrollment is 1017, 19th largest in D.3. The D.5 school (I was mistaken. The largest school in the district is a 5, not a 6) has 1900 students, 9th largest in D.5. They played last week for the district championship. The D.3 won 21-6. Ok, that makes a bit more sense to me, as those differentials aren't that impactful, particularly at the higher levels. I don't think any school in Louisiana has over say 2,300 kids though. Largest class probably has schools from that peak down to say 1,050 or so. Geographically, almost all of the bigger schools, the D.6 and D.5's, are in the I 95/I 64 corridor, between the D.C. area and Virginia Beach. Smaller schools are spread through the state, with most of the smallest located in the western part of the state. Our district is in an urban area. Four of our schools are in the city of Hampton, five are in Newport News, and the tenth is a rural school in Gloucester County. In district, we only have to travel more that a half an hour every other year.
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Post by bobgoodman on Nov 3, 2019 14:52:49 GMT -6
I think the image of conference that bobgoodman had is different than this. I know the concept of conference as you seem to be using (forced league play games) with different enrollments (which I am assuming you are insinuating, by mentioning div 1 and 3) is very different than what I am used to in Louisiana. Our "conferences" so to speak (forced league games) are all grouped by similar enrollments. Our conference (They'e called districts here) is made up of schools from many classifications. Most schools are in the district that we want to be in, to the best of my knowledge. There was talk about making districts based on enrollment. It would have broken up long standing rivalries so it was voted down. Our district has schools in Classifications 3 through 6. This year the two best teams in the league are a 3 and a 6. Those two schools are at or near the top every year. You're right, I had no idea conferences could be anything like that. So the association creates these entities, and then the different divisions, levels, classes, or whatever you call them qualify separately in a conference? Whose convenience was that set up for?
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Post by fantom on Nov 3, 2019 16:45:11 GMT -6
Our conference (They'e called districts here) is made up of schools from many classifications. Most schools are in the district that we want to be in, to the best of my knowledge. There was talk about making districts based on enrollment. It would have broken up long standing rivalries so it was voted down. Our district has schools in Classifications 3 through 6. This year the two best teams in the league are a 3 and a 6. Those two schools are at or near the top every year. You're right, I had no idea conferences could be anything like that. So the association creates these entities, and then the different divisions, levels, classes, or whatever you call them qualify separately in a conference? Whose convenience was that set up for? Although some people will reflexively blame the state association, mostly it was because it was what most schools wanted.
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Post by wingtol on Nov 3, 2019 17:36:14 GMT -6
Louisiana does a lot of things wrong as a state..lol, and since the private/public (or "select, non-select") split HS sport playoff structure is kind of screwed up too. However, prior to the split, I would argue that they had one of the more logical and sensible set ups. It is hard for me to wrap my head around the fact that you could be forced into a league/district/conference (and therefore games) etc with schools 2 to 3 classes bigger. It would be interesting to see a population density map of the various states. fantom what is the general difference in enrollment between a class 3 and class 6 school? VHSL classifications as of 2018: D.6: 3777-1965 D.5: 1947-1550 D.4: 1541-1133 D.3: 1132-738 D.2: 732-477 D.1: 453-57 Of the schools that I mentioned, the D.3's enrollment is 1017, 19th largest in D.3. The D.5 school (I was mistaken. The largest school in the district is a 5, not a 6) has 1900 students, 9th largest in D.5. They played last week for the district championship. The D.3 won 21-6. Those numbers are crazy. Think there were only 14 schools with over 1000 boys 9-11 in PA last cycle. Our classes are grouped a lot closer in enrollment 1 - 131 A 91 132 - 198 AA 94 199 - 272 AAA 92 273 - 384 AAAA 89 385 - 560 AAAAA 101 561 - 99999 AAAAAA 95
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 3, 2019 17:53:37 GMT -6
VHSL classifications as of 2018: D.6: 3777-1965 D.5: 1947-1550 D.4: 1541-1133 D.3: 1132-738 D.2: 732-477 D.1: 453-57 Of the schools that I mentioned, the D.3's enrollment is 1017, 19th largest in D.3. The D.5 school (I was mistaken. The largest school in the district is a 5, not a 6) has 1900 students, 9th largest in D.5. They played last week for the district championship. The D.3 won 21-6. Those numbers are crazy. Think there were only 14 schools with over 1000 boys 9-11 in PA last cycle. Our classes are grouped a lot closer in enrollment 1 - 131 A 91 132 - 198 AA 94 199 - 272 AAA 92 273 - 384 AAAA 89 385 - 560 AAAAA 101 561 - 99999 AAAAAA 95 Coach, would be curious what the actual top enrollments are. Also curious how many of those 14 with over 1000 9-11 (so probably around 1200-1400 9-12) would be considered state powerhouses considering they are competiting with some schools half their size.
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Post by fantom on Nov 3, 2019 17:54:08 GMT -6
VHSL classifications as of 2018: D.6: 3777-1965 D.5: 1947-1550 D.4: 1541-1133 D.3: 1132-738 D.2: 732-477 D.1: 453-57 Of the schools that I mentioned, the D.3's enrollment is 1017, 19th largest in D.3. The D.5 school (I was mistaken. The largest school in the district is a 5, not a 6) has 1900 students, 9th largest in D.5. They played last week for the district championship. The D.3 won 21-6. Those numbers are crazy. Think there were only 14 schools with over 1000 boys 9-11 in PA last cycle. Our classes are grouped a lot closer in enrollment 1 - 131 A 91 132 - 198 AA 94 199 - 272 AAA 92 273 - 384 AAAA 89 385 - 560 AAAAA 101 561 - 99999 AAAAAA 95 We go by total enrollment, not number of boys.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 3, 2019 18:15:34 GMT -6
Those numbers are crazy. Think there were only 14 schools with over 1000 boys 9-11 in PA last cycle. Our classes are grouped a lot closer in enrollment 1 - 131 A 91 132 - 198 AA 94 199 - 272 AAA 92 273 - 384 AAAA 89 385 - 560 AAAAA 101 561 - 99999 AAAAAA 95 We go by total enrollment, not number of boys. I didn't even catch that the first time around. wingtol if you doubled those numbers (assuming 50% female) would you still consider them grouped a lot closer?
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Post by wingtol on Nov 3, 2019 19:45:32 GMT -6
Those numbers are crazy. Think there were only 14 schools with over 1000 boys 9-11 in PA last cycle. Our classes are grouped a lot closer in enrollment 1 - 131 A 91 132 - 198 AA 94 199 - 272 AAA 92 273 - 384 AAAA 89 385 - 560 AAAAA 101 561 - 99999 AAAAAA 95 We go by total enrollment, not number of boys. Makes more sense, but doesn’t make sense lol
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Post by fantom on Nov 3, 2019 19:49:19 GMT -6
We go by total enrollment, not number of boys. Makes more sense, but doesn’t make sense lol Why?
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Post by wingtol on Nov 3, 2019 20:20:05 GMT -6
Makes more sense, but doesn’t make sense lol Why? That they count all students and not male and female separate.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 3, 2019 20:22:39 GMT -6
That they count all students and not male and female separate. Do you have coed schools with such significant differences in male/female ratio that schools would be in one class for boys and another for girls
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Post by 44dlcoach on Nov 3, 2019 22:39:18 GMT -6
I've never heard of a state counting male and females separate, that's interesting.
Our state is basically a sh!t show but has generally been enrollment based. But they have allowed individual schools to move down on a sport by sport basis based on their specific circumstances and performance. And they've allowed a few private schools to move up.
All the while, we have a population discrepancy where the 10 or so biggest schools in the southern part of our state have by far the largest enrollments in the state, but the classifications are based on numbers that include the "big" schools in the northern part of the state in the largest classification.
1,200 is the cutoff to be included as a "big" school. The northern part of the stat includes several schools in the 1,200-1,500 range and the southern part of the state includes several schools in the 2,500-3,000 range but they all play for the same state title.
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Post by wingtol on Nov 4, 2019 7:14:07 GMT -6
That they count all students and not male and female separate. Do you have coed schools with such significant differences in male/female ratio that schools would be in one class for boys and another for girls Yes. There are several schools that have teams in different classes. Plus they have different numbers for each sport since the number of schools with teams for that sport is different. So you can be AA in football and AAA in basketball. School I coached at previous had lots more girls than boys and their teams were a class above in sports like soccer, basketball, etc
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Post by wingtol on Nov 4, 2019 7:20:54 GMT -6
I've never heard of a state counting male and females separate, that's interesting. Our state is basically a sh!t show but has generally been enrollment based. But they have allowed individual schools to move down on a sport by sport basis based on their specific circumstances and performance. And they've allowed a few private schools to move up. All the while, we have a population discrepancy where the 10 or so biggest schools in the southern part of our state have by far the largest enrollments in the state, but the classifications are based on numbers that include the "big" schools in the northern part of the state in the largest classification. 1,200 is the cutoff to be included as a "big" school. The northern part of the stat includes several schools in the 1,200-1,500 range and the southern part of the state includes several schools in the 2,500-3,000 range but they all play for the same state title. Here I thought everyone did it that way, like i just said I was at a school were the girls vastly outnumbered the boys and we would have been at a severe disadvantage if we had to play up a class due to total enrollment. Do they count all students 9-12 or just 9-11 for your numbers? Is it every year or every other? We don't split public and private here so counting just boys or girls also keeps that in order a bit. If you're a school of 500 all boys i'm sure you would have a huge advantage over a school with 500 students total in the same class.
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Post by poundtherock1 on Nov 4, 2019 8:05:57 GMT -6
In N.C. 12 weeks to play 11 games. 5 rounds of playoffs. With basically 8 playoff divisions. Not a huge fan of how we do it here. Regular season is too long and they need to cut down on teams that get in IMO.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Nov 4, 2019 8:11:42 GMT -6
I've never heard of a state counting male and females separate, that's interesting. Our state is basically a sh!t show but has generally been enrollment based. But they have allowed individual schools to move down on a sport by sport basis based on their specific circumstances and performance. And they've allowed a few private schools to move up. All the while, we have a population discrepancy where the 10 or so biggest schools in the southern part of our state have by far the largest enrollments in the state, but the classifications are based on numbers that include the "big" schools in the northern part of the state in the largest classification. 1,200 is the cutoff to be included as a "big" school. The northern part of the stat includes several schools in the 1,200-1,500 range and the southern part of the state includes several schools in the 2,500-3,000 range but they all play for the same state title. Here I thought everyone did it that way, like i just said I was at a school were the girls vastly outnumbered the boys and we would have been at a severe disadvantage if we had to play up a class due to total enrollment. Do they count all students 9-12 or just 9-11 for your numbers? Is it every year or every other? We don't split public and private here so counting just boys or girls also keeps that in order a bit. If you're a school of 500 all boys i'm sure you would have a huge advantage over a school with 500 students total in the same class. All students 9-12 are counted every year, allegedly. I don't know for sure because you never see schools moving up or down a class on a short term basis. So I guess we are to believe that there are zero schools that are right around one of the cutoff points and are over it some years and under it others. But as I mentioned our system has been pretty broken for a while, it's not purely enrollment based. We had a situation a few years ago where a public school of about 700 was playing the state championship game in our second highest classification against a public school of close to 3,000.
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Post by fballcoachg on Nov 6, 2019 18:32:14 GMT -6
Just saw that Northwood OH went 10-0 and won't make the playoffs, can anyone shed some light on the situation? There were 2 10-0 teams that didn’t make it EXTREMELY EXTREMELY rare (maybe the first time it’s happened?) You do see 9-1 and 8-2 teams not get in from time to time. It can be a combination of things. Being in an abnormally strong region and the teams you played not being very good and/or much smaller divisions. Harbins points is a computer system that gives you points for wins, what division the team you beat is, and what the team you beats record is. I know my senior year we got left out for St Ignatius even though we had a better record...we were a little salty but 5 weeks later Ignatius won the state title so it tends to shake out.
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Post by wingtol on Nov 6, 2019 18:58:48 GMT -6
Just saw that Northwood OH went 10-0 and won't make the playoffs, can anyone shed some light on the situation? There were 2 10-0 teams that didn’t make it EXTREMELY EXTREMELY rare (maybe the first time it’s happened?) You do see 9-1 and 8-2 teams not get in from time to time. It can be a combination of things. Being in an abnormally strong region and the teams you played not being very good and/or much smaller divisions. Harbins points is a computer system that gives you points for wins, what division the team you beat is, and what the team you beats record is. I know my senior year we got left out for St Ignatius even though we had a better record...we were a little salty but 5 weeks later Ignatius won the state title so it tends to shake out. So here’s a good one....we have a team in our region from Ohio that the district let in for all sports because they are literally on the PA Ohio border and can’t get into a league in Ohio. So they are in our region(league) and play like 7 Schools in our district and a few Ohio teams. They went 9-1 and missed the playoffs, finished 10th in points. Think someone posted the teams they played regular season were 20-65 or something so they lost lots of points on that deal. Now in their Ohio region all the playoff teams were like 10-0, 9-1, 8-2 but still 9-1 and not making it is tough.
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Post by gamecock303 on Nov 6, 2019 23:36:11 GMT -6
Just saw that Northwood OH went 10-0 and won't make the playoffs, can anyone shed some light on the situation? There were 2 10-0 teams that didn’t make it EXTREMELY EXTREMELY rare (maybe the first time it’s happened?) You do see 9-1 and 8-2 teams not get in from time to time. It can be a combination of things. Being in an abnormally strong region and the teams you played not being very good and/or much smaller divisions. Harbins points is a computer system that gives you points for wins, what division the team you beat is, and what the team you beats record is. I know my senior year we got left out for St Ignatius even though we had a better record...we were a little salty but 5 weeks later Ignatius won the state title so it tends to shake out. meanwhile in South Carolina there is a team that is 0-10 that not only made the playoffs but is hosting in the first round (typically the top 4 teams in a region make the playoffs but this region only has 3 teams due to one school closing). and then there is this situation which kept teams from finding out who they were playing until Monday linkI don't remember any other situation where a team in SC has been caught using an ineligible player and been allowed to stay in the playoffs. The offending team in this situation wasn't really punished (in my opinion) outside of a game against a much tougher opponent (their first round opponent who won their region is the team that really gets screwed here) than they would have had. I'd be willing to bet that the fine is pocket change to someone around the program/school and I'm not sure that they would have been allowed to actually host playoff games since the field that they host games at during the regular season is a rec field which might have actual seating for about 250 people. In fact if they manage to win their first round game an argument could be made (at least with what I know about the programs in the effected bracket) that they have an easier path through the rest of the playoffs.
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Post by Defcord on Nov 7, 2019 4:47:31 GMT -6
There were 2 10-0 teams that didn’t make it EXTREMELY EXTREMELY rare (maybe the first time it’s happened?) You do see 9-1 and 8-2 teams not get in from time to time. It can be a combination of things. Being in an abnormally strong region and the teams you played not being very good and/or much smaller divisions. Harbins points is a computer system that gives you points for wins, what division the team you beat is, and what the team you beats record is. I know my senior year we got left out for St Ignatius even though we had a better record...we were a little salty but 5 weeks later Ignatius won the state title so it tends to shake out. meanwhile in South Carolina there is a team that is 0-10 that not only made the playoffs but is hosting in the first round (typically the top 4 teams in a region make the playoffs but this region only has 3 teams due to one school closing). and then there is this situation which kept teams from finding out who they were playing until Monday linkI don't remember any other situation where a team in SC has been caught using an ineligible player and been allowed to stay in the playoffs. The offending team in this situation wasn't really punished (in my opinion) outside of a game against a much tougher opponent (their first round opponent who won their region is the team that really gets screwed here) than they would have had. I'd be willing to bet that the fine is pocket change to someone around the program/school and I'm not sure that they would have been allowed to actually host playoff games since the field that they host games at during the regular season is a rec field which might have actual seating for about 250 people. In fact if they manage to win their first round game an argument could be made (at least with what I know about the programs in the effected bracket) that they have an easier path through the rest of the playoffs. That’s ridiculous. I was in that region with Andrews a couple years. I think their head coach is on this board. Quality program and good guys. SCHSL really screwed this on up.
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Post by Down 'n Out on Nov 7, 2019 6:53:58 GMT -6
Andrews definitely gets the short end of the stick in this situation, although was what Oceanside did really that big of a deal? I mean I dont see how it was cheating, although obviously it broke the rules.
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Post by Defcord on Nov 7, 2019 8:50:48 GMT -6
Andrews definitely gets the short end of the stick in this situation, although was what Oceanside did really that big of a deal? I mean I dont see how it was cheating, although obviously it broke the rules. I would think as AD he would know the rule and adhere to it. I have never been an AD so I don't know if I would know all of the rules, but everywhere I have been there was no confusion on the quarters rule and when players that split time could play at each level. He was probably in a weird spot. You won by 70 so you are going to get blasted for running it up. You put JV guys in and you are going to get in trouble for that. Still I think I hope I would choose to follow the rules if I knew them. But he didn't know them so I guess that's immaterial. If I were in his shoes, I would have a hard time interacting with the Andrews staff. When my mistakes negatively affect other people, it really eats at me. I would hate to be in this situation as either coach.
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Post by carookie on Nov 7, 2019 10:35:55 GMT -6
Southern California, Southern Section- Play 10 games regular season. About 1/2 the teams make playoffs in mostly 16 team brackets (although there is one 8-team bracket for the top schools). All told there are 14 divisions that are predicated by how good you were the last two years. Winning this makes you CIF champ, which is essentially a state championship (get a ring and trophy, etc. So basically if you have a small school that is really good we keep moving you up to play bigger schools until they find a level where you lose at, then they move you back down. If you are a big school that doesn't win they move you down to play small schools in the playoffs where you might win.
After the playoffs the 14 division winners mix in with winners from other so-cal regions. Then all these winners are paired off by similar ability levels to play in a State Semi-Final bowl game. If you win this you play a team from northern California who basically did the same thing. Its a bunch of nonsense designed to make money for CIF
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