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Post by wiscohscoach on Oct 16, 2019 9:51:25 GMT -6
Posing a question to all of you out there, how well do you get along with your wrestling program/coaches and how many kids in your program go out for the sport?
Wondering if you've had success in pushing wrestling and how have your kids responded? I keep hearing the weight loss worries but our wrestling coach is super pro football and anti weight cut so I'd like to get as many of our guys out for him. How have others worked this and convinced kids it will benefit them?
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Post by aceback76 on Oct 16, 2019 10:09:19 GMT -6
Posing a question to all of you out there, how well do you get along with your wrestling program/coaches and how many kids in your program go out for the sport? Wondering if you've had success in pushing wrestling and how have your kids responded? I keep hearing the weight loss worries but our wrestling coach is super pro football and anti weight cut so I'd like to get as many of our guys out for him. How have others worked this and convinced kids it will benefit them? Great! Quite a few of our players wrestle. The Wrestling Coach helps me as an Assistant in football, & is in charge of our Football Mat Drills in the out-of-season. We have a local Sports Medicine Specialist advise "sane" weight control for Wrestling. |
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Post by bigdog2003 on Oct 16, 2019 10:17:01 GMT -6
When I was a head wrestling coach, I never told anybody they had to cut weight to get to a certain weight class. Now, if a kid came in and said he wanted to go down to a weight class I would help him plan how he wanted to get there. I walked into a program that had 4 kids the year before I started, turned it into a program of 40+ with several conference champions and state qualifiers. I had a great relationship with the football, basketball, and baseball coaches. The girls basketball coach on the other hand didn't like wrestling at all because our matches were in "her gym". I would have to wait to move the mat from the wrestling room into the aux gym for matches until her and the jv girls coach were done with practice. Dealt with it for 4 years, AD left, girls varsity coach was going to be the new assistant AD, I left.
I ran my program closely with the other programs that wanted to have a working relationship. The football coach sent a good many guys out after we got to know each other. One of them was the best wrestler I ever coached, kid lost 6 matches in 2 years and got a scholarship to JUCO for wrestling.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Oct 16, 2019 10:27:46 GMT -6
Posing a question to all of you out there, how well do you get along with your wrestling program/coaches and how many kids in your program go out for the sport? Wondering if you've had success in pushing wrestling and how have your kids responded? I keep hearing the weight loss worries but our wrestling coach is super pro football and anti weight cut so I'd like to get as many of our guys out for him. How have others worked this and convinced kids it will benefit them? We have very close ties to our wrestling program. I also have coached our youth wrestling feeder program while serving as HC of our HS football team. My 10yr old son plays 4 sports- football, wrestling, basketball, and lacrosse. I have always been a big proponent of playing multiple sports in high school, and as a coach I definitely suggest wrestling for many of our football guys. Wrestling happens to be our community's most coveted sport, so we have 125+ kids wrestling grades K-8 in our youth program. Our wrestling coach is not a "weight-cut" advocate- he has his team lift 3 days a week, and as our resident strength coach I work directly with him to achieve the results he looking for (many coaches are often misguided and will essentially refer to circuit training or higher-volume training...not understanding what may be optimal for their ins-season kids). So we really don't worry about cutting weight. So, depending on what kind of foothold you and your program have in the school, you can definitely influence your kids' decisions and get them wrestling. EDIT: Of our varsity starters, we have 2 DL, 1 Safety, 1 RB, and 2 OL that also are varsity wrestlers. |
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Post by wiscohscoach on Oct 16, 2019 14:06:39 GMT -6
Posing a question to all of you out there, how well do you get along with your wrestling program/coaches and how many kids in your program go out for the sport? Wondering if you've had success in pushing wrestling and how have your kids responded? I keep hearing the weight loss worries but our wrestling coach is super pro football and anti weight cut so I'd like to get as many of our guys out for him. How have others worked this and convinced kids it will benefit them? We have very close ties to our wrestling program. I also have coached our youth wrestling feeder program while serving as HC of our HS football team. My 10yr old son plays 4 sports- football, wrestling, basketball, and lacrosse. I have always been a big proponent of playing multiple sports in high school, and as a coach I definitely suggest wrestling for many of our football guys. Wrestling happens to be our community's most coveted sport, so we have 125+ kids wrestling grades K-8 in our youth program. Our wrestling coach is not a "weight-cut" advocate- he has his team lift 3 days a week, and as our resident strength coach I work directly with him to achieve the results he looking for (many coaches are often misguided and will essentially refer to circuit training or higher-volume training...not understanding what may be optimal for their ins-season kids). So we really don't worry about cutting weight. So, depending on what kind of foothold you and your program have in the school, you can definitely influence your kids' decisions and get them wrestling. EDIT: Of our varsity starters, we have 2 DL, 1 Safety, 1 RB, and 2 OL that also are varsity wrestlers. This is about the relationship we have at our school and it's been awesome. We were wondering how others have been successful with it and it sounds like we're on the right path. He asked the football staff to run his weight sessions as well as work in helping him recruit so it seems like a positive for all. He is totally against cutting weight as well unless a kid really wants but none of our football guys want to so that'll be taken care of. |
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Post by coachcb on Oct 16, 2019 14:10:49 GMT -6
Every school that I've coached at with a strong wrestling program also has a quality football program. I'd be hard pressed to name a varsity level wrestler that wasn't a starter on the football team.
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Post by fballcoachg on Oct 17, 2019 4:26:45 GMT -6
We work well with every other sport, sometimes tofrustration bc we feel the give and take isn’t reciprocated. We feel it’s best for kids to experience other sports though so we default to losing some battles.
That said, We don’t have a good relationship w wrestling and it bothers me to no end. The biggest reason, it is not a program at all. There is no lifting, open mats start once the football season starts, kids don’t seem to have a positive experience/few go back to the program, there is minimal to no semblance of discipline off the mat or in the locker room, and the guy is a big cut advocate. He’s the ADs buddy and this isn’t a “wrestling community” so people let it slide.
Not to get all ivory tower bc we definitely have our flaws but why would I push a kid to be in that environment?
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Post by canesfan on Oct 17, 2019 4:52:02 GMT -6
We literally own the mats the use for wrestling. We have helped start the program and chosen the coaches. Wrestling was started because there was interest and football coaches wanted it too. So for now it is kind of a part of our offseason program. Obviously it’s for everyone but we control a lot of it.
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Post by rosey65 on Oct 17, 2019 6:40:20 GMT -6
We stopped actively pushing our kids towards wrestling. The wrestling coach had a habit of pushing heavy weight cut, especially with the football players, then use that as a reason to discourage them from coming back out from football.
And not to pick on our wrestling program.... every program on campus discourages their athletes from playing football.
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Post by MICoach on Oct 17, 2019 8:35:58 GMT -6
I am an assistant coach for the wrestling program. Additionally, one of our middle school football coaches helps coach wrestling, and our head football coach used to coach wrestling. I've only been coaching it for two years, but I'm trying to foster a link between the programs as wrestling needs numbers and most of the football coaches would prefer our kids wrestle if they don't already play basketball or another winter sport.
Our school has traditionally had a very successful wrestling program but the former head wrestling coach now coaches at a different school where his kids go, and the current head wrestling coach doesn't work in the district so it has kind of been the role of myself and a couple others to do the "recruiting" within the building and grade checks, etc.
AD has asked me if I'm interested in being a head wrestling coach in the future and I don't think I really know enough about the sport, but I'm entertaining the thought just for the sake of both football and wrestling programs.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 9:14:23 GMT -6
AD has asked me if I'm interested in being a head wrestling coach in the future and I don't think I really know enough about the sport, but I'm entertaining the thought just for the sake of both football and wrestling programs. Do not let this deter you. Find guys that can coach the techniques and you can deal with the clerical stuff. I have plenty of wrestling knowledge and even I hired guys to teach technique while I deal with all of the all of the other stuff, weight checks, skin checks, grade checks, putting everything in trackwrestling, telling my assistant what kind of practice I want each day, weight training, etc. |
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Oct 17, 2019 9:18:48 GMT -6
We stopped actively pushing our kids towards wrestling. The wrestling coach had a habit of pushing heavy weight cut, especially with the football players, then use that as a reason to discourage them from coming back out from football. And not to pick on our wrestling program.... every program on campus discourages their athletes from playing football. That's insane lol. Our wrestling coach usually fills the HWT spot by picking the nastiest big guys he can get and telling them to "tackle people"...jk they actually do wrestle-wrestle, but their blast doubles tend to mimic our tackling technique we teach. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 10:08:27 GMT -6
I think that a wrestling team should be filled from 152 to 285 with their baddest dudes from the football team. It doesnt usually work like that but that is what I am striving for as an assistant football coach and head wrestling coach.
I can teach kids to wrestle. Its harder to teach them to be a competitor and an athlete imo.
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Post by echoofthewhistle on Oct 18, 2019 4:49:32 GMT -6
As others have pointed out, it depends on the wrestling program. For me the two big concerns are cutting weight, and their lifting program. Some people are in ideal situations with guys that don't push cutting weight and strong lifting program. I've been in the opposite where the football and wrestling team were both good, but there were few players that played both because wrestling was cutting heavily and they didn't lift consistently, and when they did there was little oversight.
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Post by hawksrule on Oct 18, 2019 5:26:24 GMT -6
Our head football coach is also the head coach for wrestling and we have 3 other coaches that coach both sports so we have a great relationship with the 2 programs. I am more of a basketball person but have learned that wrestling is the one sport that teaches mental toughness the best and I love the fact that we have a big percentage of our team that wrestle.
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Post by coachcb on Oct 18, 2019 6:36:28 GMT -6
A wrestling program is going to struggle if they're forcing the kids to cut a ton of weight and avoid lifting.. That's the worst combination for the sport; you just get weak, tired, slow kids..
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