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Post by Wingtman on Oct 11, 2019 9:10:39 GMT -6
Coaches,
Due to an emergency on our staff (death in the family) our DC is not able to attend tonight's game. Our JVDC has been gone all week (he's a farmer and a volunteer). The JVOC coaches linebackers on our staff, but isn't super comfortable within the D. So, myself as HC/OC plans to call mostly both tonight. Our booth guy (JVDC) is coming down and our AD has volunteered to go upstairs (he was on the staff the last two years).
My thought on set up is for myself to call the D, and let the our JVOC, who does most of the planning with me, call the O, under light supervision, as I trust him, and for the most part we are on the same page.
Question is, has anyone done both before? What issues did you have? If you were in the same boat, how would you manage the game tonight? 4 man staff, 31 players.
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Post by 60zgo on Oct 11, 2019 9:31:41 GMT -6
Coaches, Due to an emergency on our staff (death in the family) our DC is not able to attend tonight's game. Our JVDC has been gone all week (he's a farmer and a volunteer). The JVOC coaches linebackers on our staff, but isn't super comfortable within the D. So, myself as HC/OC plans to call mostly both tonight. Our booth guy (JVDC) is coming down and our AD has volunteered to go upstairs (he was on the staff the last two years). My thought on set up is for myself to call the D, and let the our JVOC, who does most of the planning with me, call the O, under light supervision, as I trust him, and for the most part we are on the same page. Question is, has anyone done both before? What issues did you have? If you were in the same boat, how would you manage the game tonight? 4 man staff, 31 players. I have done it for an entire season a couple of times... This is one of those "it depends" type situations. How dialed in on their offense are you? You don't have time to get wrapped up in any single play. You have to forget it and move on immediately. |
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Post by Wingtman on Oct 11, 2019 9:42:24 GMT -6
With their O, I'd say pretty comfortable, as I always watch both sides, and help the DC, since he's a first year.
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Post by carookie on Oct 11, 2019 12:46:37 GMT -6
I've done it on small schools with small staffs; never with the size of team you have though.
The most difficult part for me was actually coaching up players in game. You'll be busy calling plays, you can't really spend much time talking to Johnny about getting his eyes right, or fixing his stance. I would have someone designated to talk with your position players on the sidelines
In addition, for your situation, I would clearly outline who watches what during the play, to ensure nothing is slipping through the cracks when you are on d
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Post by jg78 on Oct 11, 2019 22:04:01 GMT -6
The most difficult part is making adjustments. If you're a Wing-T team and trap, buck sweep and belly are gashing them then and your base defense is stopping them then there's nothing to it. But when you're struggling and adjustments have to be made that's when it gets hard because you can't really step away for a minute and think things through because you're always calling plays and changing your train of thought.
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 12, 2019 6:26:08 GMT -6
I don't know if this is your situation, but I've been fortunate enough before to have kids bright enough to call it. Maybe if you have a really astute kid, he could call it with a little oversight from you or an assistant.
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Post by tripsclosed on Oct 13, 2019 14:15:51 GMT -6
Something to think about, obviously this depends on the offensive and defensive schemes, but in general, *IF* preparation is done right, defensive playcalling tends to be just going to your prepared responses based on what the offense is doing, with some skill to determining when to send pressure, whereas offensive playcalling is much more demanding, takes more skill, and is much more about going with your gut/having a good "feel" for when to call plays, it's an art form.
Basically, if your defensive preparation and gameplanning was done right during the week, and your defensive players are coached right, if you were going to call one side of the ball for a night, and turn the other side you aren't calling over to a rookie, you'd be better off handing the defensive call sheet to the rookie and saying "they do this, you do this, and throw in some 5 and 6 man pressures when they get to this part of the field." You don't want the rookie running your offense that night.
A broader point that is still relative, good coaching will get you more out of offensive players than defensive players. For example, if you have 11 players who are B+, B, and C grade athletes and football players, good coaching will get more out of them on the offensive side of the ball than the defensive side of the ball. Defense is much more about innate attributes and attribute development than it is technique, at least in part because on defense, especially in coverage, you are always reacting, the offense knows where they are going and what they are doing, you on the other hand do not know what they are doing and where they are going.
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Post by carookie on Oct 13, 2019 17:09:23 GMT -6
Something to think about, obviously this depends on the offensive and defensive schemes, but in general, *IF* preparation is done right, defensive playcalling tends to be just going to your prepared responses based on what the offense is doing, with some skill to determining when to send pressure, whereas offensive playcalling is much more demanding, takes more skill, and is much more about going with your gut/having a good "feel" for when to call plays, it's an art form. Basically, if your defensive preparation and gameplanning was done right during the week, and your defensive players are coached right, if you were going to call one side of the ball for a night, and turn the other side you aren't calling over to a rookie, you'd be better off handing the defensive call sheet to the rookie and saying "they do this, you do this, and throw in some 5 and 6 man pressures when they get to this part of the field." You don't want the rookie running your offense that night. A broader point that is still relative, good coaching will get you more out of offensive players than defensive players. For example, if you have 11 players who are B+, B, and C grade athletes and football players, good coaching will get more out of them on the offensive side of the ball than the defensive side of the ball. Defense is much more about innate attributes and attribute development than it is technique, at least in part because on defense, especially in coverage, you are always reacting, the offense knows where they are going and what they are doing, you on the other hand do not know what they are doing and where they are going. Ahh man you are breaking my heart. Not to be pedantic and hijack a thread, but as a primarily defensive coach (and one who spends more time than most teaching technique during indi time) I take umbrage with that last paragraph. I think if you changed the bolded word into "play calling" I would agree. But I think many things that are viewed as innate have their roots in repped and developed technique. |
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Post by tripsclosed on Oct 13, 2019 20:29:02 GMT -6
Something to think about, obviously this depends on the offensive and defensive schemes, but in general, *IF* preparation is done right, defensive playcalling tends to be just going to your prepared responses based on what the offense is doing, with some skill to determining when to send pressure, whereas offensive playcalling is much more demanding, takes more skill, and is much more about going with your gut/having a good "feel" for when to call plays, it's an art form. Basically, if your defensive preparation and gameplanning was done right during the week, and your defensive players are coached right, if you were going to call one side of the ball for a night, and turn the other side you aren't calling over to a rookie, you'd be better off handing the defensive call sheet to the rookie and saying "they do this, you do this, and throw in some 5 and 6 man pressures when they get to this part of the field." You don't want the rookie running your offense that night. A broader point that is still relative, good coaching will get you more out of offensive players than defensive players. For example, if you have 11 players who are B+, B, and C grade athletes and football players, good coaching will get more out of them on the offensive side of the ball than the defensive side of the ball. Defense is much more about innate attributes and attribute development than it is technique, at least in part because on defense, especially in coverage, you are always reacting, the offense knows where they are going and what they are doing, you on the other hand do not know what they are doing and where they are going. Ahh man you are breaking my heart. Not to be pedantic and hijack a thread, but as a primarily defensive coach (and one who spends more time than most teaching technique during indi time) I take umbrage with that last paragraph. I think if you changed the bolded word into "play calling" I would agree. But I think many things that are viewed as innate have their roots in repped and developed technique. Coach, agree on what you said about playcalling. As for the rest, maybe we can meet in the middle? I certainly wasn't saying that coaching can do little to nothing to help players get better at defense. I think I agree with what you said about stuff that is viewed as being innate is about technique. That said, I still would say that at the end of the day, defense is more physically challenging, and, I didn't mention this specifically, but also more mentally challenging, i.e. mental toughness, than offense, and there's only so much coaching you can do to improve a player's ability in terms of those. They either have it or they don't. |
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Post by carookie on Oct 13, 2019 21:02:55 GMT -6
Ahh man you are breaking my heart. Not to be pedantic and hijack a thread, but as a primarily defensive coach (and one who spends more time than most teaching technique during indi time) I take umbrage with that last paragraph. I think if you changed the bolded word into "play calling" I would agree. But I think many things that are viewed as innate have their roots in repped and developed technique. Coach, agree on what you said about playcalling. As for the rest, maybe we can meet in the middle? I certainly wasn't saying that coaching can do little to nothing to help players get better at defense. I think I agree with what you said about stuff that is viewed as being innate is about technique. That said, I still would say that at the end of the day, defense is more physically challenging, and, I didn't mention this specifically, but also more mentally challenging, i.e. mental toughness, than offense, and there's only so much coaching you can do to improve a player's ability in terms of those. They either have it or they don't. Haha I know what you are saying, I'm just being an old DC curmudgeon and busting chops. Although I truly feel I can teach anyone proper technique to overcome some athletic inability... emphasis on some. |
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Post by Wingtman on Oct 14, 2019 7:58:56 GMT -6
Follow up- Lost 32-12. Felt this one was on me. Had a couple drives stall, because of play calling.Struggled as a staff, being one guy short, and the AD in the booth. Rough night.
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