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Post by coachp83 on Aug 27, 2019 8:03:13 GMT -6
Does anyone have a good QB Kneel down chart they can share for a 40 second clock that starts immediately after the last play ends?
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Post by WTR on Aug 29, 2019 7:01:44 GMT -6
Interested in this as well.
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Post by mholst40 on Aug 29, 2019 13:26:04 GMT -6
Here is what I use... It is conservative and assumes 2 seconds per kneel down play (the time that elapses from the snap of the ball to the next whistle) and 39 seconds between plays (40 second play clock and you snap the ball with 1 second remaining). Obviously, there are ways to extend kneel downs, but I wanted to be conservative in this instance.
TIMEOUTS DN 0 1 2 3 1 2:05 1:26 0:47 0:08 2 1:24 0:45 0:06 0:06 3 0:43 0:04 0:04 0:04 4 0:02 0:02 0:02 0:02
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Post by cwaltsmith on Aug 30, 2019 6:26:06 GMT -6
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Post by silkyice on Aug 30, 2019 6:44:18 GMT -6
Here is what I use... It is conservative and assumes 2 seconds per kneel down play (the time that elapses from the snap of the ball to the next whistle) and 39 seconds between plays (40 second play clock and you snap the ball with 1 second remaining). Obviously, there are ways to extend kneel downs, but I wanted to be conservative in this instance. TIMEOUTS DN 0 1 2 3 1 2:05 1:26 0:47 0:08 2 1:24 0:45 0:06 0:06 3 0:43 0:04 0:04 0:04 4 0:02 0:02 0:02 0:02 I went and checked my chart I made this summer and it matches 100% with the above.
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Post by macdiiddy on Aug 30, 2019 6:44:59 GMT -6
Im thinking about the 2 seconds per play. It kind of depends if you are home or away and who is operating that clock.
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Post by fadepattern on Aug 30, 2019 12:45:10 GMT -6
wouldn't the new 25 second play clock change the timing?
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Post by mholst40 on Aug 30, 2019 15:16:24 GMT -6
Here is what I use... It is conservative and assumes 2 seconds per kneel down play (the time that elapses from the snap of the ball to the next whistle) and 39 seconds between plays (40 second play clock and you snap the ball with 1 second remaining). Obviously, there are ways to extend kneel downs, but I wanted to be conservative in this instance. TIMEOUTS DN 0 1 2 3 1 2:05 1:26 0:47 0:08 2 1:24 0:45 0:06 0:06 3 0:43 0:04 0:04 0:04 4 0:02 0:02 0:02 0:02 I went and checked my chart I made this summer and it matches 100% with the above. That makes me feel better! This math stuff ain’t that easy. I think you can easily take more time off the clock to kneel, but I wanted to be conservative.
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Post by mholst40 on Aug 30, 2019 15:28:14 GMT -6
wouldn't the new 25 second play clock change the timing? In all kneel down situations, the play clock goes to 40 seconds.
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Post by fadepattern on Sept 1, 2019 20:44:24 GMT -6
wouldn't the new 25 second play clock change the timing? In all kneel down situations, the play clock goes to 40 seconds. absolutely right! I don't know what I was thinking.
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Post by cwaltsmith on Sept 3, 2019 6:37:45 GMT -6
wouldn't the new 25 second play clock change the timing? it does ... that is why i made a new chart... but anytime the play 25 is 25 seconds the game clock is stopped except after a made 1st down
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Post by mholst40 on Sept 3, 2019 21:25:56 GMT -6
wouldn't the new 25 second play clock change the timing? it does ... that is why i made a new chart... but anytime the play 25 is 25 seconds the game clock is stopped except after a made 1st down Can you explain this to me? What situation when kneeling would the running clock go to 25 seconds? We kneeled last week, but didn’t need the chart as it was a no brainer.
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Post by cwaltsmith on Sept 4, 2019 7:02:41 GMT -6
it does ... that is why i made a new chart... but anytime the play 25 is 25 seconds the game clock is stopped except after a made 1st down Can you explain this to me? What situation when kneeling would the running clock go to 25 seconds? We kneeled last week, but didn’t need the chart as it was a no brainer. I just reread my post... I was trying to say that the play clock would never be a 25 second clock in this situation unless you had just made a 1st down. I was responding to someone that asked if it would be different.
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Post by slantweak on Sept 8, 2019 4:27:01 GMT -6
Here is what I use... It is conservative and assumes 2 seconds per kneel down play (the time that elapses from the snap of the ball to the next whistle) and 39 seconds between plays (40 second play clock and you snap the ball with 1 second remaining). Obviously, there are ways to extend kneel downs, but I wanted to be conservative in this instance. TIMEOUTS DN 0 1 2 3 1 2:05 1:26 0:47 0:08 2 1:24 0:45 0:06 0:06 3 0:43 0:04 0:04 0:04 4 0:02 0:02 0:02 0:02 I’ve got a question about the chart. If the clock is running when you get a first down and the other team has no TOs doesn’t that add 40 seconds? Let’s say we have 3rd and 2 with 2:50 seconds left and they have no TOs. We get the first, after they set the chains the clock running at 2:45. Can I tell my HC that we can now take a knee because the clock would run for 39 seconds before we take our first knee? But let’s say we went out of bounds while getting that first down, that would effectively take 40 seconds off the chart because we couldn’t knee it at 2:40. I just want to look up at the clock and not have to do math in that moment. I am thinking I need to have a 2 sided chart: one side for if we went out of bounds and one for if we stayed in bounds. I feel like I’m right. Am I over thinking it? Thank you.
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Post by cwaltsmith on Sept 9, 2019 6:24:50 GMT -6
Here is what I use... It is conservative and assumes 2 seconds per kneel down play (the time that elapses from the snap of the ball to the next whistle) and 39 seconds between plays (40 second play clock and you snap the ball with 1 second remaining). Obviously, there are ways to extend kneel downs, but I wanted to be conservative in this instance. TIMEOUTS DN 0 1 2 3 1 2:05 1:26 0:47 0:08 2 1:24 0:45 0:06 0:06 3 0:43 0:04 0:04 0:04 4 0:02 0:02 0:02 0:02 I’ve got a question about the chart. If the clock is running when you get a first down and the other team has no TOs doesn’t that add 40 seconds? Let’s say we have 3rd and 2 with 2:50 seconds left and they have no TOs. We get the first, after they set the chains the clock running at 2:45. Can I tell my HC that we can now take a knee because the clock would run for 39 seconds before we take our first knee? But let’s say we went out of bounds while getting that first down, that would effectively take 40 seconds off the chart because we couldn’t knee it at 2:40. I just want to look up at the clock and not have to do math in that moment. I am thinking I need to have a 2 sided chart: one side for if we went out of bounds and one for if we stayed in bounds. I feel like I’m right. Am I over thinking it? Thank you. No ... after a 1st down when they reset the chains and start the clock... the play clock is only 25 seconds in that instance.
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Post by Coach Bennett on Sept 10, 2019 11:18:53 GMT -6
I’ve got a question about the chart. If the clock is running when you get a first down and the other team has no TOs doesn’t that add 40 seconds? Let’s say we have 3rd and 2 with 2:50 seconds left and they have no TOs. We get the first, after they set the chains the clock running at 2:45. Can I tell my HC that we can now take a knee because the clock would run for 39 seconds before we take our first knee? But let’s say we went out of bounds while getting that first down, that would effectively take 40 seconds off the chart because we couldn’t knee it at 2:40. I just want to look up at the clock and not have to do math in that moment. I am thinking I need to have a 2 sided chart: one side for if we went out of bounds and one for if we stayed in bounds. I feel like I’m right. Am I over thinking it? Thank you. No ... after a 1st down when they reset the chains and start the clock... the play clock is only 25 seconds in that instance. I believe it's a 40 second clock after first down.
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Post by cwaltsmith on Sept 10, 2019 12:29:42 GMT -6
Not in Tennessee
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Post by Coach Bennett on Sept 11, 2019 7:50:43 GMT -6
Does Tennessee modify NFHS rules?
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Post by cwaltsmith on Sept 11, 2019 8:31:16 GMT -6
Im not sure about all rules... but I know this year we have been told and it has happened... Any time the clock stops after a play... the white hat will then chop the play in and it will be a 25 second clock from his chop in instead of 40 from the end of the previous play.
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Post by slantweak on Sept 18, 2019 4:02:59 GMT -6
Im not sure about all rules... but I know this year we have been told and it has happened... Any time the clock stops after a play... the white hat will then chop the play in and it will be a 25 second clock from his chop in instead of 40 from the end of the previous play. Thank you for the reply. This would make that first part of the chart a bit shaky. But, in theory, it could add 25 seconds to the first part of the chart. It makes sense they would go 25 and clock stop for first downs. This would give more time to run a play after a very long gain for a first down. That would give players (lineman in particular) more time to get down the field while they are setting the chains.
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