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Post by bobgoodman on Jun 20, 2019 22:39:43 GMT -6
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Post by bighit65 on Jun 21, 2019 4:59:09 GMT -6
He sounds like a very coachable young man. If he was that fast and strong in middle school, it may have been give it to the fast strong kid and let him go. Now there has to be a plan in place. Which is hard for those middle school studs sometimes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2019 5:25:49 GMT -6
"So In conclusion, in middle school you were able to play how YOU wanted to, you were able to take the ball in your hands, and decide what was going to happen. In high school it’s all about what the coaches want to do."
Yeah but so is life
Not to $hit on what he said , I get it , and I feel for the guy losing his steam , and I have the UTMOST respect for ANYONE who ever served our country but 1) Hes no different than MANY kids who start playing ball early, let me rephrase that .. He actually made it to his junior year, where (most who start before age 12 burn out at the 9th-10th grade level)
2) Football is different in HS, its harder, Injuries happen, it costs you the free time you once had before , Ive seen kids issue this exact sentiment, " I used to be the man" ....but that all changes
It sucks when youre not the star of your little league or MS team anymore, some kids roll with it , some kids get nostalgic over it like Uncle Rico, some kids flat out quit
Its different when the kids you are facing each week are as good if not better, you HAVE to impress your coaches, you have to push YOURSELFand find what you love in it
He says he quit his junior year following an injury that caused him to lose a step then he says it because he got to play how he wanted in MS, so which is it ?
Its not up to the coach to make you love the game, some of the best ones will make you hate it.
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Post by planck on Jun 21, 2019 5:39:22 GMT -6
Having coached middle school football and seeing kids do "what they want"... Yeah, I'll take high school football any day.
That's not too say I don't appreciate more spontaneous and fluid sports like basketball or soccer. But middle school football with kids freelancing is just awful to watch or coach.
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Post by stilltryin on Jun 21, 2019 6:10:02 GMT -6
"He sounds like a very coachable young man." Right ... if by "coachable" you mean as long as they let him do it his way. Which actually sounds like the opposite of coachable.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 21, 2019 7:02:17 GMT -6
Its not up to the coach to make you love the game, some of the best ones will make you hate it. I understand your sentiments, but if this is true, I would argue with your definition of "the best".
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 21, 2019 7:38:46 GMT -6
He sounds like a very coachable young man. If he was that fast and strong in middle school, it may have been give it to the fast strong kid and let him go. Now there has to be a plan in place. Which is hard for those middle school studs sometimes. I have to disagree strongly, unless you were being sarcastic. He sounds like a somewhat self aware, yet still selfish and entitled representation of many of the negative stereotypes placed on that age group. As stilltryin points out, he seems to be the exact opposite of coachable. He sounds like the kick who won't read his keys, or keep his eyes at of the backfield or close down with a down block, or maintain gap integrity. He sounds like the kid who runs around blocks and creates giant gaps in the defense or doesn't stay on his track. He sounds like a kid with some physical attributes that won't let coaches mold him into a good player. He quit because it was no longer easy for him. There was a movie that highlights his apparent mindset. D3 : The Mighty Ducks
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Post by fantom on Jun 21, 2019 9:18:05 GMT -6
He took the long way of saying, "It wasn't easy anymore".
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Post by blb on Jun 21, 2019 9:25:34 GMT -6
He took the long way of saying, "It wasn't easy anymore".
To be good at football you have to take pride in doing difficult things well.
That can be a foreign concept for a lot of kids as their parents have tried to make everything easier for them as they grew up.
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Post by wolverine55 on Jun 21, 2019 9:41:05 GMT -6
He took the long way of saying, "It wasn't easy anymore". That's basically what I got out of it too. I was also sort of chuckled at the "special drills" part. I took that to mean that at his high school they didn't just line up 11 on 11 for the whole practice.
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Post by coachcb on Jun 21, 2019 9:42:18 GMT -6
To be honest, I became a little p-ssed off while reading that article. We had a freshman DE a few years ago who could be this guy's younger brother. The kid was incredibly athletic and the lower level coaches just turned him loose to raise hell in the backfield. We tried to teach him proper DE technique (block down/step down, holding contain in certain situations, playing with his hands, etc..etc..) but he just bucked the system.
He was the most athletic lineman we had on the freshman, froshmore or JV teams but we couldn't have him out on the field because he'd get kicked out by pullers, run around blocks and take himself out of the play, and lose containment. Lord knows where he'd be when teams optioned him.. On film, he saw how freelancing cost us but he just wouldn't stop so he didn't play. His folks made that season a fun one..
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Post by lochness on Jun 21, 2019 10:43:10 GMT -6
Some of the best football players I have ever coached have started playing the game as a Freshman.
This is why.
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Post by carookie on Jun 21, 2019 12:04:55 GMT -6
I think the important thing to remember is this is just one kid's view on why he liked playing rec ball more than organized HS ball.
To blow this out of proportion and give any undue weight to this singular opinion would be somewhat alarmist....which I guess is exactly the way things work in an era of media over-saturation.
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Post by fantom on Jun 21, 2019 12:11:59 GMT -6
I think the important thing to remember is this is just one kid's view on why he liked playing rec ball more than organized HS ball. To blow this out of proportion and give any undue weight to this singular opinion would be somewhat alarmist....which I guess is exactly the way things work in an era of media over-saturation. Actually, I think that his viewpoint is pretty common. I don't see that as alarmist, though, because I think that it's always been a common attitude.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 21, 2019 14:28:33 GMT -6
I think the important thing to remember is this is just one kid's view on why he liked playing rec ball more than organized HS ball. To blow this out of proportion and give any undue weight to this singular opinion would be somewhat alarmist....which I guess is exactly the way things work in an era of media over-saturation. Actually, I think that his viewpoint is pretty common. I don't see that as alarmist, though, because I think that it's always been a common attitude. And keep in mind, this isn't really an "article" is it? I thought it was just some random person replying to a question on a website (Quora) whose sole purpose is to have a space for someone's "internet voice".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2019 14:29:28 GMT -6
Its not up to the coach to make you love the game, some of the best ones will make you hate it. I understand your sentiments, but if this is true, I would argue with your definition of "the best". Best ones I know push you, they aren’t concerned with being loved as they are getting people to be better human beings or better players than they started out. What I mean coach is for example best one I ever worked under (5 state titles in 7 years) was a tyrant he pushed the kids hard he pushed the assistants harder some kids quit most didn’t though.. Kids were expected there year round lifting, we ran more than any hs program I’ve ever seen, practices were hard and intense followed by more running after We were nationally ranked so there was a lot of competition for spots , every day they were tested , every day they were graded The ones that left hated the way it was, not all were peewee superstars , some were , some transferred BECAUSE there was competition , they hated it , they didn’t hate him per se’ but he never coddled them Ball was their job those were requirements for the job It was cold and hard at times, but that’s how life is In this case it just seems he couldn’t adapt because it wasn’t easy anymore Not uncommon unfortunately
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Post by bighit65 on Jun 21, 2019 19:23:09 GMT -6
Just for clarification, my post about this " very coachable young man" was dripping with sarcasm. At least, it was meant to be.
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Post by bobgoodman on Jun 21, 2019 21:18:24 GMT -6
I think the important thing to remember is this is just one kid's view on why he liked playing rec ball more than organized HS ball. To blow this out of proportion and give any undue weight to this singular opinion would be somewhat alarmist....which I guess is exactly the way things work in an era of media over-saturation. Keep in mind where this writing came from. Somebody else on Quora who'd lost his love for playing football once high school football started solicited opinions about why that happened. You're not getting happy campers' opinions. Note also that you can scroll to the bottom for a link to more answers. But not from players.
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Post by s73 on Jun 23, 2019 12:46:38 GMT -6
So......My son just started summer camp in HS for my program this year. He, played last year for the 1st time in youth ball. So far, he has said that youth ball was more fun but that he's learned more in a day then he did all last year. What I gather from that, we are an instant gratification society, kids in the short term enjoy the "fun & games" of youth ball. But, if they are willing to stick w/ it they will learn to enjoy and appreciate the discipline of a well tuned unit and hopefully the success that follows it. Some will not be willing to accept "good things come to those who wait".
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Post by fantom on Jun 23, 2019 14:43:00 GMT -6
So......My son just started summer camp in HS for my program this year. He, played last year for the 1st time in youth ball. So far, he has said that youth ball was more fun but that he's learned more in a day then he did all last year. What I gather from that, we are an instant gratification society, kids in the short term enjoy the "fun & games" of youth ball. But, if they are willing to stick w/ it they will learn to enjoy and appreciate the discipline of a well tuned unit and hopefully the success that follows it. Some will not be willing to accept "good things come to those who wait". I wouldn't attach much social significance to this. Some guys love football (or any pursuit, for that matter) and are willing to work at getting as good as they can at it. Some just like playing games and but for them it's just fun and games. Nothing wrong with that.
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Post by s73 on Jun 23, 2019 21:36:27 GMT -6
So......My son just started summer camp in HS for my program this year. He, played last year for the 1st time in youth ball. So far, he has said that youth ball was more fun but that he's learned more in a day then he did all last year. What I gather from that, we are an instant gratification society, kids in the short term enjoy the "fun & games" of youth ball. But, if they are willing to stick w/ it they will learn to enjoy and appreciate the discipline of a well tuned unit and hopefully the success that follows it. Some will not be willing to accept "good things come to those who wait". I wouldn't attach much social significance to this. Some guys love football (or any pursuit, for that matter) and are willing to work at getting as good as they can at it. Some just like playing games and but for them it's just fun and games. Nothing wrong with that. Probably right.
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